Yup, SS can chase, evade, turn, stop, aim blasts and use his other powers at superspeeds, therefore he fights at superspeeds, he just doesnt brawl. His reaction times are consistant with FTL navigation and coordination and he has analyzed a dangerous situtation and calmly reacted to it within the span of a nanosecond. He certainly can react in time to avoid attacks from speedsters.
Originally posted by Warlord
I'm saying that a being with the reflexes to travel lightspeed in seconds should not get tagged by normal speed opponents. you think otherwise? fine by me.
Lulz.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3076/silversurfervol3006us8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/281/silversurfervol3007nn1.jpg
Originally posted by Warlord
as for the thor instance. it was clear that he reacted faster than qs could react.
facepalm
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Most definitely. *Finger Pyramid of Evil*I like him enough. He and me ended on alright terms but I'd have to stop myself from at swearing at him if I met him. Dude is really adamant about the fact that Thor can be hurt by bullets. His definitely a very reasonable fellow and keeps a calm head.
Then surely, for consistencies sake, he would think a Hulk punch would kill Thor? If he feels a mere bullet could harm him?
Hopefully he's not stupid enough to think a bullet would produce more PSI than the Hulk.
Originally posted by batdude123Bump.
Lulz.http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3076/silversurfervol3006us8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/281/silversurfervol3007nn1.jpg
Because I can.
Originally posted by batdude123He just traveled 500 thousand light years in a couple seconds/second. Give him a break buttdude.
Lulz.http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3076/silversurfervol3006us8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/281/silversurfervol3007nn1.jpg
Bet Flash has never went that fast. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by batdude123
Can we just cut the shit here and not pretend like Surfer doesn't get hit/tagged in damn near every single one of his fights?Along with being a peer to Superman in strength, Teth's punches carry the added bonus of being magically charged, which Surfer won't just shrug off. Not to mention, BA doesn't have any weaknesses to exploit.
The idea of Surfer winning 10/10, or even 9/10, is absolutely ridiculous given both of their histories and track records against characters of this level.
agreed!!
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Then surely, for consistencies sake, he would think a Hulk punch would kill Thor? If he feels a mere bullet could harm him?Hopefully he's not stupid enough to think a bullet would produce more PSI than the Hulk.
Blunt force and piercing trauma are treated differently in comics. That's why Wonder Woman can take a punch from Superman, but needs to rely on her bracelets and speed to deal with bullets.
Originally posted by Warlord
to me is really hard to understand how one who can travel thousands of time light speed cannot have relevant reflexes. heck even F1 drivers are reported to have 2 or 3 times a normal guys reflexes. imagine that x1.000.000 or even more.anyway my point is that as with flash the surfer should not get hit by the likes of thing and hulk if he doesn't want to.
Agreed.
Although I'll add, moving ftl might well be possible if a character rely's on external navigation. Surfers board has some navigational properties, so it's a reasonable assumption that the board does all the traveling work.
That's why you have to look at more than just traveling, and see what else he's capable of...
Basically, I'm saying that just because a character can travel at faster than light, doesn't mean he can react at those speeds, especially if he has built in plot devices like a GL ring computer. Got to prove he can or can't.
Originally posted by cdtm
Blunt force and piercing trauma are treated differently in comics. That's why Wonder Woman can take a punch from Superman, but needs to rely on her bracelets and speed to deal with bullets.
Its treated differently (and incorrectly) in almost ALL fictional media I've seen.
Wonder Woman cannot be hurt by bullets and resist Superman punches at the same time. It is not possible. It is a BLATANT contradiction of her durability levels.
Everything comes down to PSI. There isn't some magical separation between blunt and piercing.
Piercing/slashing is simply force spread across a smaller surface area. Blunt is of course the opposite.
Of course if the blunt force attack has more force behind it than the piercing attack can make up for with its smaller surface area, then the blunt force attack has more PSI behind it and thus more CUTTING potential too.
Good luck shooting through a block of granite with a handgun. Punching through a block of granite is something that's child's play for Hulk though.
In closing, Busiek is dumb as hell. (Thor can be at ground zero of a nuke but can be knocked out by rifle fire? lol.) As are any of the morons that write Wonder Woman being weak to piercing/edge attacks from anything that isn't magical/otherworldly.
^ CosmicComet
Why are you attacking Busiek, when it was Stan who started it all?
Then there are numerous other writers that had stories where people were bringing guns into Asgard, Hogan being shot, Thor cutting him self while shaving on earth with earth razors, Thor having earth medical needles stuck in his arm, Thor killing people by block bullets then feeling emo about it, etc.
I'm attacking Busiek specifically because he was the one defending Thor not being bulletproof so adamantly, with his 'research' and what not.
I know of your examples. And I am arguing that they are absolutely stupid and impossible. You cannot instantly recover from a right cross from Hulk/Hercules and then be hurt by a bullet. It's impossible. The Bullet would NOT produce more PSI (despite its smaller surface area) than a punch from those monsters.
Originally posted by cdtm
Agreed.Although I'll add, moving ftl might well be possible if a character rely's on external navigation. Surfers board has some navigational properties, so it's a reasonable assumption that the board does all the traveling work.
That's why you have to look at more than just traveling, and see what else he's capable of...
Basically, I'm saying that just because a character can travel at faster than light, doesn't mean he can react at those speeds, especially if he has built in plot devices like a GL ring computer. Got to prove he can or can't.
He controls the board psionically, it merely responds to his will. I don't recall it doing anything by itself. It's Surfer's mind and reactions that do all the work.
Originally posted by Spire
^ CosmicCometWhy are you attacking Busiek, when it was Stan who started it all?
Then there are numerous other writers that had stories where people were bringing guns into Asgard, Hogan being shot, Thor cutting him self while shaving on earth with earth razors, Thor having earth medical needles stuck in his arm, Thor killing people by block bullets then feeling emo about it, etc.
Using Hogun as some kind of example as well as other Asgardians (Like Busiek has.) is worse than coming to the conclusion that something can kill Superman based on it being to kill a regular Kryptonian.
Thor cutting himself while shaving with a Wundagore razor when he had one of his sudden bouts of weakness like he did back then or being pierced by a needle (I'm assuming he did it himself.) doesn't really mean much in regards to comic book logic. Thor once took a regular needle and pierced the rock hard skin of a bullet proof Storm Giant. He said it was only his godly strength which enabled him to do it. Logically speaking, the needle should have broken easily, but that's comic books for you.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's even worse logic than using an example of something killing a no name Kryptonian being able to kill Superman.Thor cutting himself when shaving in Wundagore mountain or being pierced by a needle (I'm assuming he did it himself.) doesn't really mean much in regards to comic book logic. Thor once took a regular needle and pierced the rock hard skin of a bullet proof Storm Giant. He said it was only his godly strength which enabled him to do it. Logically speaking, the needle should have broken easily, but that's comic books for you.
Illogical or logical, it's canon.
As such, Busiek's(And many others) opinion is correct.
All I was pointing out is that it's not Busiek's(And others) fault.
Originally posted by Spire
Illogical or logical, it's canon.As such, Busiek's(And many others) opinion is correct.
All I was pointing out is that it's not Busiek's(And others) fault.
I never denied that. However, it is obvious that if you have the necessary super human strength, you can penetrate a beings skin even with a needle despite them being able to shrug off bullets. So Thor cutting himself by accident, or being penetrated by a needle doesn't actually mean anything in the large picture.
Correct about what? Claiming that Thor can't be bullet proof or something similar because he cut himself with a Wundagore razor or apparently was penetrated by a needle is clearly incorrect going by comic book logic.
Busiek was the reason why the only time Thor was penetrated by a bullet happened. According to Priest, he asked Busiek which Avenger should be shoot and Busiek quickly told him to use Thor apparently. Blaiming Busiek for Thor not being bullet proof in at least that one issue where it happened is clearly not without merit.
This guy is adamant about such a silly point.
