Black Adam vs. Silver Surfer

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the thor pic was FAAARR more embarrassing than that superman one.
i've laughed every time i've seen it, true story. it's the look on his face or something *shrugs*

That issue still pisses me off till this day.

Wasn't Black Panther's human security guard going toe to toe with Thor in that same issue? He was like Captain America level physically as I recall. I've tried my best to wipe it from memory. It was really....facepalm worthy.

I could dig up embarrassing scans of Clark a good bit worse than that but that implies I actually care enough to find the issues and scan them. I don't.

Originally posted by Spire
Don't blame Busiek and Priest for reading JIM 100...

Thanks Stan.

Kurt Busiek will never relent the Thor being vulnerable to bullets argument. I had a conversation with him like a few months ago, and even when I posted 7 scans that prove Thor is bulletproof in contrast to that single one, he still wouldn't relent. I don't think he ever will. As long as he doesn't write Thor being penetrated by bullets, I'm perfectly fine with him keeping that opinion but at this point it seems silly. Even Ares is bulletproof now.

I'll admit, Thor did seem to be scared off bullets there. It really wasn't something Stan made clear (Whether or not Thor was bulletproof.) back in the JIM's days. I certainly wouldn't have been surprised if he wasn't bulletproof. He seemed to just forget about the issue as time went along and I don't think Thor vs. bullets was ever truly brought up later into his run.

Some have made the argument that it was Thor's still human mentality that made him fear the bullets but I call straw grasping on that. Thor willingly strapped himself to a nuclear level weapon for an experiment back then.

I love how people are trying to make sense of this all like it's one guy carefully telling us these stories when it's various writers who differ with just about everything when it comes to power, durability, etc. for these characters.

One writer can have Superman overcome k-nite while one can have him at death's door whe he comes into contact with it just like one writer can have bullets bounce off Thor's package while another takes away any chances of him starting a family.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Kurt Busiek will never relent the Thor being vulnerable to bullets argument. I had a conversation with him like a few months ago, and even when I posted 7 scans that prove Thor is bulletproof in contrast to that single one, he still wouldn't relent. I don't think he ever will. As long as he doesn't write Thor being penetrated by bullets, I'm perfectly fine with him keeping that opinion but at this point it seems silly. Even Ares is bulletproof now.

I'll admit, Thor did seem to be scared off bullets there. It really wasn't something Stan made clear (Whether or not Thor was bulletproof.) back in the JIM's days. I certainly wouldn't have been surprised if he wasn't bulletproof. He seemed to just forget about the issue as time went along and I don't think Thor vs. bullets was ever truly brought up later into his run.

Some have made the argument that it was Thor's still human mentality that made him fear the bullets but I call straw grasping on that. Thor willingly strapped himself to a nuclear level weapon for an experiment back then.

Wait, you trolled Kurt Busiek?

Hahaha.

I say both comfortably, and reasonably, Stan made it clear Thor wasn't bulletproof.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I love how people are trying to make sense of this all like it's one guy carefully telling us these stories when it's various writers who differ with just about everything when it comes to power, durability, etc. for these characters.

One writer can have Superman overcome k-nite while one can have him at death's door whe he comes into contact with it just like one writer can have bullets bounce off Thor's package while another takes away any chances of him starting a family.

I'm certain I've seen Superman dodging bullets while he said they were dangerous or something similar in the past. I need to find that comic. I'll dig for it sometime. It would certainly shut up a lot of people. Hopefully it's not an Elseworld tale and no Kryptonite/Red Solar Radiation was involved.

Originally posted by Spire
Wait, you trolled Kurt Busiek?

Hahaha.

I say both comfortably, and reasonably, Stan made it clear Thor wasn't bulletproof.

Trolled? Lol.

The conversation started when I asked him if he had any future projects in Marvel. He stated that there was some shit in the works. It went on and on untils omehow it got to Thor (I think some other poster on the board brought him up.). Then it got down to Thor's bullet resistance and escalated from there. It was inevitable I guess. I believe I still have one of the earlier emails he sent to me still in my inbox.

If you think so, sure. I really don't care whether or not Thor was bulletproof in the 60's.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
So do you think Shazam's lightning could hurt SS as well?

Would he feel it? probably.

But no, I don't think it would injure him.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the thor pic was FAAARR more embarrassing than that superman one.
i've laughed every time i've seen it, true story. it's the look on his face or something *shrugs*

The Supes pic is actually kind of awesome.. 😮

When did it happen, and is the skewering what actually killed him? And for that matter, what's he skewered on...?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Trolled? Lol.

The conversation started when I asked him if he had any future projects in Marvel. He stated that there was some shit in the works. It went on and on untils omehow it got to Thor (I think some other poster on the board brought him up.). Then it got down to Thor's bullet resistance and escalated from there. It was inevitable I guess. I believe I still have one of the earlier emails he sent to me still in my inbox.

If you think so, sure. I really don't care whether or not Thor was bulletproof in the 60's.

Don't lie. It was your plan all along.

So are you guys like friends and stuff? Or would you stab him in an alley?

Originally posted by Spire
Wait, you trolled Kurt Busiek?

Hahaha.

I say both comfortably, and reasonably, Stan made it clear Thor wasn't bulletproof.

Yes, but Superman was also established as merely leaping tall buildings in a single bound. 😛

Times change, for better or worse. (Or much worse, if you're Darkseid.)

Originally posted by cdtm
The Supes pic is actually kind of awesome.. 😮

When did it happen, and is the skewering what actually killed him? And for that matter, what's he skewered on...?

The Last Stand of New Krypton #3

He tried and failed to stop Brainaic's ship from falling with help from like 2 dozen other Kryptonians. The pieces of the ship is what his skewered on.

He would have died but Brainiac using concentrated Sunlight and 31st Century tech saved his life.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If you think so, sure. I really don't care whether or not Thor was bulletproof in the 60's.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yes, but Superman was also established as merely leaping tall buildings in a single bound. 😛

Times change, for better or worse. (Or much worse, if you're Darkseid.)

That is different. That was 1938.

Thor was 1962. Stan knew what he was doing. The 'superhero comicbook method' was established by then.

Regardless, even Golden age Superman was bulletproof.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That issue still pisses me off till this day.

Wasn't Black Panther's human security guard going toe to toe with Thor in that same issue? He was like Captain America level physically as I recall. I've tried my best to wipe it from memory. It was really....facepalm worthy.

I could dig up embarrassing scans of Clark a good bit worse than that but that implies I actually care enough to find the issues and scan them. I don't.

Hey, compared to Mephisto, Thor got off easy.

I actually enjoyed Priests interpretation on Panther, but he outdoes Garth Ennis's crapping on certain characters..

At least Lobo got to solo mobsters and toss around cars and be somewhat awesome while Hitman was embarrassing him.

Originally posted by Spire
That is different. That was 1938.

Thor was 1962. Stan knew what he was doing. The 'superhero comicbook method' was established by then.

Regardless, even Golden age Superman was bulletproof.

Originally posted by Spire
Don't lie. It was your plan all along.

So are you guys like friends and stuff? Or would you stab him in an alley?

Most definitely. *Finger Pyramid of Evil*

I like him enough. He and me ended on alright terms but I'd have to stop myself from at swearing at him if I met him. Dude is really adamant about the fact that Thor can be hurt by bullets. His definitely a very reasonable fellow and keeps a calm head.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the flood gates may have been re-opened on that "60's-70's thor =/= 80's-current thor" topic

Thor's piercing durability has gotten better since then.

The stupid claims that if Thor hasn't used a power in a certain amount of time, it no longer exists are just that....stupid however. Mjolnir is a plot device. Especially back then. It's not Power Cosmic level in terms of plot device capabilities but it's up there. It has a fair share of one time abilities. Even some of his more regular used abilities like the God Blast aren't brought up in normal threads, but if someone makes a thread with no C.I.S. stipulations and such, I will be using any examples I feel like.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, I knew exactly what you were trying to do from the get-go, which is why I called your analogy "ridiculous."

Surfer has never demonstrated combat speed on the level of Flash. It's been made painfully obvious through the years that Surfer's travel speed and combat speed are mutually exclusive.

And as for the Quicksilver encounter, nothing about it was that impressive. Thor simply took out the ground from under him by smashing it. No real combat speed demonstrated there.

I'm saying that a being with the reflexes to travel lightspeed in seconds should not get tagged by normal speed opponents. you think otherwise? fine by me.
as for the thor instance. it was clear that he reacted faster than qs could react.
anyway i was just mention it to highlight the comments: in the wolverine fight wolverine was too fast while in the qs fight says he has fought fleeter foes and i don't think he was mentioning wolverine.

The funny part is that batdude doesn't know that in this respect, travel speed DOES factor heavily into the fight.

to me is really hard to understand how one who can travel thousands of time light speed cannot have relevant reflexes. heck even F1 drivers are reported to have 2 or 3 times a normal guys reflexes. imagine that x1.000.000 or even more.

anyway my point is that as with flash the surfer should not get hit by the likes of thing and hulk if he doesn't want to.