Thor w/o hammer vs extremis tony

Originally posted by leonidas
a sonic assault would affect him, imo. his uni-bolts have nearly ko'd ionic goliath and if he cupped his hands over thor's ears and let lose a fullpower repulsor blast that sure as hell would affect thor in a very bad way. since i don't see the liklihood of him ko'ing IM with lightning as being very high, (everyone he ko'd without mjollnir was pretty much standing still) he'd be left with h2h. tough to hit tony, especially if he goes auto-pilot and assumes nano-second-esque reflexes.

i'm equally boggled as i see no way this IS a sure win for thor.

Why the hell would it if it didn't affect Hercules?

That's nice. I highly doubt a repulsor blast over Thor's ears would do anything to Thor. Especially hurt him badly.

You don't seem to be understanding how completely ineffective his repulsors have been against Thor.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsDraxIronManWaspCap3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsDraxIronManWaspCap4.jpg

A full power repulsor blast at point blank range followed up by a blast of energy from Drax does nothing but momentarily knock Thor down.

Here point blank repulsor blasts from a mind controlled Iron Man to Thor's face do absolutely nothing.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsAvengers8.jpg

Like I said, I doubt repulsor's blasts will do any kind of damage at all to Thor, no matter where he aims them.

The most effective I've ever seen his repulsor blasts being against Thor was when multiple quick succession repulsor blasts to the face (Or was it chest?) stagger Thor. And by stagger I mean turn his body a bit to the side.

Iron Man himself knows that he can't actually do anything that would fall in the category of actual damage to Thor.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsHulkIronMan2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsHulkIronMan3.jpg

Really, why not? Thor's lightning has enough feats to suggest him being able to knock out Iron Man is well within his range of power. It's more likely to happen here when he doesn't have Mjolnir than it would it a normal fight. Mjolnir tames Thor's power and gives him fine control over it. I do however think that the lightning has to be at a level that it would overload Tony's system etc. or he could just absorb it. Although I haven't seen Tony use that ability in a while. Back in the day Tony was really good at fighting the big dogs from time to time by resorting to his bag of tricks.

Since when has Tony had nano second reflexes?

Tony simply has no weapons to put Thor down. His best bet is to keep out of reach and keep it at a stalemate. This unfortunately might simply frustrate Thor and cause him to tap into his more versatile nature and not fight like a brick. Which wouldn't be very good for Tony at all.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
those are non-extremis armour feats

yep. extris version>>>>>>>ancient red/gold.

sure, but not all aspects of the other armours carry over

Originally posted by leonidas
anyway, here is old school IM easily absorbing a lightning blast from thor and amping himself to the point where he was taking it to thor h2h easily:

http://img684.imageshack.us/i/lightning1.jpg/

http://img24.imageshack.us/i/lightning2pm.jpg/

notice too that the wasp's blast was able to harm thor. earlier in that same issue IM's repulsors were also shown to affect thor.

IM has ko'd surfer via energy drain and amp, and he defeated terrax as well. he amped his old armor (by simply by-passing safety protocols) to the point where he one-shot ko'd a staggered savage hulk. his armor seized but he still ko'd him--and that was the ancient armor. IM has beaten damn near everyone at some point yet for some reason, he is being very short-changed in this battle.

focused sonics, multiple shields, energy absorption, the ability to continually pummel thor from above with high energy blasts. again, i see no way this is a sure win for thor.

That is probably the best Iron Man has looked against Thor. His quick on his feet like that. I however haven't seen him use such a tactic in a long time. At least not in extremis.

Iron Man went from being completely ineffective to being able to actual cause Thor pain. Don't oversell it.

Yes Wasp's attacks were able to harm Thor. Proves what exactly? Even Thor can be worn down.

Focused sonics will do what again exactly? His shields will only last so long before Thor puts him down. Which won't be very long at all.

High energy blasts? His attacks will do jack to Thor.

It's a win for Thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why the hell would it if it didn't affect Hercules?

That's nice. I highly doubt a repulsor blast over Thor's ears would do anything to Thor. Especially hurt him badly.

You don't seem to be understanding how completely ineffective his repulsors have been against Thor.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsDraxIronManWaspCap3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsDraxIronManWaspCap4.jpg

A full power repulsor blast at point blank range followed up by a blast of energy from Drax does nothing but momentarily knock Thor down. And this Thor was trying to fight off mind control here.

Here, point blank repulsor blasts from a mind controlled Iron Man to Thor's face do absolutely nothing.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsAvengers8.jpg

Like I said, I doubt repulsor's blasts will do any kind of damage at all to Thor, no matter where he aims them.

The most effective I've ever seen his repulsor blasts being against Thor was when multiple quick succession repulsor blasts to the face stagger Thor. And by stagger I mean turn his torso to the side.

Iron Man himself knows that he can't actually do anything that would fall in the category of actual damage to Thor.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsHulkIronMan2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsHulkIronMan3.jpg

Really, why not? Thor's lightning has enough feats to suggest him being able to knock out Iron Man is well within his range of power. It's more likely to happen here when he doesn't have Mjolnir than it would it a normal fight. Mjolnir tames Thor's power and gives him fine control over it.

Since when has Tony had nano second reflexes?

Tony simply has no weapons to put Thor down. His best bet is to keep out of reach and keep it at a stalemate. This unfortunately might simply frustrate Thor and cause him to tap into his more versatile nature and not fight like a brick. Which wouldn't be very good for Tony at all.

the moondragon thor wasn't holding back at all. and tony was able to use the lightning to easily match thor h2h and in fact give him an advantage over him. ironically, when IM stopped holding back HE had the advantage.

his RECENT repulsors have knocked ulik on his arse and apparently ko'd him or taken him out of the fight. yet you think thor would just stand there unfazed? especially if they were planted inside his head?? uhh . . . not a chance.

there's a scan of tony's reflexes in extremis mode. i actually think it was PICO-second reflexes. it was used in a tourney. bw or galan may have it available readily.

show thor--without mjollnir--using lightning to hit anyone moving at superspeed, let alone someone capable of absorbing the energy of the ss. his shields have been strong enough to withstand a nuclear blast at close range.

and what is all this versatility thor would call upon without his hammer?

if IM stays away, he could accumulate enough damage to ko thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[B]That is probably the best Iron Man has looked against Thor. His quick on his feet like that. I however haven't seen him use such a tactic in a long time. At least not in extremis.

Iron Man went from being completely ineffective to being able to actual cause Thor pain. Don't oversell it. [/b

and gain the ADVANTAGE. don't UNDERSELL it. and again, that is the ancient version of his armor.

Yes Wasp's attacks were able to harm Thor. Proves what exactly? Even Thor can be worn down.

ummmm . . . exactly? 😕 that's precisely what i've been saying. continual outbursts from a distance and he could wear him down enough to ko.

Focused sonics will do what again exactly? His shields will only last so long before Thor puts him down. Which won't be very long at all.

extremis can repower itself on the fly. shield power won't be an issue--primarily because i don't see how thor will even hit him from the ground.

High energy blasts? His attacks will do jack to Thor.

lol you just said he could be worn down. MAYBE the first couple blasts could be weathered, but repeated blasts WOULD accrete enough damage to weaken and ko him. if he stays away or only temporarily engages in h2h.

It's a win for Thor.

10/10 for IM? no. but if he fights smart he could take a bunch.

Originally posted by leonidas
the moondragon thor wasn't holding back at all. and tony was able to use the lightning to easily match thor h2h and in fact give him an advantage over him. ironically, when IM stopped holding back HE had the advantage.

I never said he was. It should be noted that he was trying to fight the mind control as I recall.

What do you mean when Iron Man stopped holding back? He even states that his repulsors were at full power.

He hit Thor twice in quick succession. If that fight would have lasted, Iron Man would have had shit pushed in the end. The energy he gained could only last so long and Thor's very quick to bounce back.

Originally posted by leonidas
his RECENT repulsors have knocked ulik on his arse and apparently ko'd him or taken him out of the fight. yet you think thor would just stand there unfazed? especially if they were planted inside his head?? uhh . . . not a chance.

LMAO! Taking out Ulik is supposed to impress me and suggest his repulsor blasts will do something to Thor? Lol. Maybe if this was a few decades ago I'd be impressed. Just out of curiosity, what issue are you talking about?

And just in case you missed it:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor7.jpg

Repulsor blasts have not been anything more than an annoyance against Thor and I don't think that will change now.

Originally posted by leonidas
there's a scan of tony's reflexes in extremis mode. i actually think it was PICO-second reflexes. it was used in a tourney. bw or galan may have it available readily.

Can you find it? The biggest moment of super speed that stands out in my mind is during the end of the extremis arc when he fights that terrorist.

Originally posted by leonidas
show thor--without mjollnir--using lightning to hit anyone moving at superspeed, let alone someone capable of absorbing the energy of the ss. his shields have been strong enough to withstand a nuclear blast at close range.

Without Mjolnir in the scene? There isn't any as far as I know.

When was the last time you recall Iron Man using the energy absorption trick? I haven't seen it since he gained extremis myself.

His fighting a high end Class 100 here. I'm not impressed.

Originally posted by leonidas
and what is all this versatility thor would call upon without his hammer?

Ability to create containment fields. That's two Nuclear Warheads by the way. More power than I'd say Stark is packing:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ContainsNukes2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ContainsNuke3.jpg

Energy generation. That's Desak just so you know. He feeds on godly energy like Superman feeds on sunlight. Thor was still hurting him. Iron Man would be toast I'd wager:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak6.jpg

He incinerates the Bloodaxe which is a Mjolnir like weapon. A blast packing so much power if it's hits Stark, I'd wager it'd be the end of the fight.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus7.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
if IM stays away, he could accumulate enough damage to ko thor.

Heh.

I don't think you've actually been paying attention to the scans I've been posting. Excluding that little scene with the lightning, Iron Man's attacks have been completely ineffective against Thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never said he was. It should be noted that he was trying to fight the mind control as I recall.

What do you mean when Iron Man stopped holding back? He even states that his repulsors were at full power.

He hit Thor twice in quick succession. If that fight would have lasted, Iron Man would have had shit pushed in the end. The energy he gained could only last so long and Thor's very quick to bounce back.

LMAO! Taking out Ulik is supposed to impress me and suggest his repulsor blasts will do something to Thor? Lol. Maybe if this was a few decades ago I'd be impressed. Just out of curiosity, what issue are you talking about?

And just in case you missed it:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor7.jpg

Repulsor blasts have not been anything more than an annoyance against Thor and I don't think that will change now.

Can you find it? The biggest moment of super speed that stands out in my mind is during the end of the extremis arc when he fights that terrorist.

Without Mjolnir in the scene? There isn't any as far as I know.

When was the last time you recall Iron Man using the energy absorption trick? I haven't seen it since he gained extremis myself.

His fighting a high end Class 100 here. I'm not impressed.

Ability to create containment fields. That's two Nuclear Warheads by the way. More power than I'd say Stark is packing:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ContainsNukes2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ContainsNuke3.jpg

Energy generation. That's Desak just so you know. He feeds on godly energy like Superman feeds on sunlight. Thor was still hurting him. Iron Man would be toast I'd wager:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak6.jpg

He incinerates the Bloodaxe which is a Mjolnir like weapon. A blast packing so much power if it's hits Stark, I'd wager it'd be the end of the fight.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus7.jpg

Heh.

I don't think you've actually been paying attention to the scans I've been posting. Excluding that little scene with the lightning, Iron Man's attacks have been completely ineffective against Thor.

I love Thor, but JMS is terribly biased against IM. All his appearances in stories written by JMS are pretty much horrible.

not convinces extremis has what the older suits posses as a sum

he sure could have used 1/3 of those capabilities against thor last time they tussled

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
I love Thor, but JMS is terribly biased against IM. All his appearances in stories written by JMS are pretty much horrible.

You also have to take into account this was the "crap all over Stark" era of Marvel, thanks to his role in Civil War. Tony was placed on a platter to virtually everyone and was getting his ass beat left and right. Considering his role in the creation of Clor, many people clamored for Thor to "have words with" his old friend.

Originally posted by leonidas
and gain the ADVANTAGE. don't UNDERSELL it. and again, that is the ancient version of his armor.

ummmm . . . exactly? 😕 that's precisely what i've been saying. continual outbursts from a distance and he could wear him down enough to ko.

extremis can repower itself on the fly. shield power won't be an issue--primarily because i don't see how thor will even hit him from the ground.

lol you just said he could be worn down. MAYBE the first couple blasts could be weathered, but repeated blasts WOULD accrete enough damage to weaken and ko him. if he stays away or only temporarily engages in h2h.

10/10 for IM? no. but if he fights smart he could take a bunch.

The gold and red incarnation of Stark was much more battle savy than extremis as far as I can tell. At least outside of his own series. Some of his worst showings have happened in extremis as far as I can tell. During Civil War, everyone was kicking his ass.

Maybe you might have missed it but Thor was attacked by Iron Man's repulsor's, Wasp's stings, Drax's cosmic bolts, an amped Iron Man's punches, and then he felt Wasp's sting. Iron Man's repulsor's solely won't wear Thor down. They've head practically no effect at all against Thor. He was able to punch outside of his league for a bit (Tony Stark that is.) which enabled Thor to be hurt by the sting of the Wasp but without some sort of amping, Stark won't wear Thor down.

The chances of Iron Man's repulsors wearing down Thor are about as equal as the Wasp wearing Thor down solely with her stings.

Okay. It won't help however if Thor takes him out of the fight. Thor can fly without Mjolnir or summon lightning from the sky just so you know.

Haha. I think the chances of repulsor blasts knocking Thor out are about as likely as a down pour of rain knocking him out. I mean, damage accumulates does it not? Repulsors have had NO effect on Thor. Iron Man outright states that he can't actually hurt Thor.

If you think so, fine.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not convinces extremis has what the older suits posses as a sum

he sure could have used 1/3 of those capabilities against thor last time they tussled

Yea, back in the day by being clever, Iron Man could bat out of his league now and then taking his enemies by surprise but currently? He isn't as battle savy in my opinion.

I'll continue this later. Leo is taking too long.

Question: is it even possible, no matter how fast, to dodge lightning from the sky? I'm pretty sure lightning picks its path through objects just before it strikes and then moves through those objects. That's just the way it works. Thoughts?

pretty much, though comic lightning seems to rely on aim like any other projected attack (most of the time) *shrugs*

Originally posted by aristoraptor
Question: is it even possible, no matter how fast, to dodge lightning from the sky? I'm pretty sure lightning picks its path through objects just before it strikes and then moves through those objects. That's just the way it works. Thoughts?

Yes. People fast enough like Quicksilver have done it multiple times before.

I seem to remember Thor flat out catching Quicksilver by the throat in the recent Mighty Avengers when Pym asks Loki to join the Avengers. He said something like, 'Know your place around gods.' That's pretty fast.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You also have to take into account this was the "crap all over Stark" era of Marvel, thanks to his role in Civil War. Tony was placed on a platter to virtually everyone and was getting his ass beat left and right. Considering his role in the creation of Clor, many people clamored for Thor to "have words with" his old friend.

The last part was pretty stupid, considering that Blake was all chummy with Reed and Thor didn't even raise an eyebrow. But yeah Civil War was a pretty crappy time to be an Iron Man fan, which indirectly influenced how people felt about the Extremis upgrade.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
The last part was pretty stupid, considering that Blake was all chummy with Reed and Thor didn't even raise an eyebrow. But yeah Civil War was a pretty crappy time to be an Iron Man fan, which indirectly influenced how people felt about the Extremis upgrade.

👆

I like Iron Man, not as much as Thor though, and I got a lot of shit for being an IM fan during Civil War.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
The last part was pretty stupid, considering that Blake was all chummy with Reed and Thor didn't even raise an eyebrow. But yeah Civil War was a pretty crappy time to be an Iron Man fan, which indirectly influenced how people felt about the Extremis upgrade.

It's clear that what Reed has done is not forgotten. Reed even brings up the "problems" between him and Thor and Blake says that whatever exists between Thor and Reed, is between Thor and Reed.

I honestly hate the fact that they made Blake and Thor separate entities.

Bendis and all his stupid glory even specifically wrote that Blake and Thor always exchanged places and didn't become each other in the new Avenger's oral history. Which makes literally no sense at all. Like whatsoever.

If that shit sticks, I'm really going to hate JMS for it.