Thor w/o hammer vs extremis tony

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's clear that what Reed has done is not forgotten. Reed even brings up the "problems" between him and Thor and Blake says that whatever exists between Thor and Reed, is between Thor and Reed.

I honestly hate the fact that they made Blake and Thor separate entities.

Bendis and all his stupid glory even specifically wrote that Blake and Thor always exchanged places and didn't become each other in the new Avenger's oral history. Which makes literally no sense at all. Like whatsoever.

If that shit sticks, I'm really going to hate JMS for it.

It wasn't forgotten by Reed, but Blake pretty much sidestepped it (with a legitimate reason) and there wasn't much of a reaction from Thor. Apart from that, I don't think it was brought up again.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
It wasn't forgotten by Reed, but Blake pretty much sidestepped it (with a legitimate reason) and there wasn't much of a reaction from Thor. Apart from that, I don't think it was brought up again.

Blake sidestepping it was legitimate as you said. It wasn't between him and Reed. We never saw Thor's reaction because we'll more than likely see it when Reed and Thor meet. Same reason why it probably wasn't brought up in the issue again. His had "words" with Stark. I wonder how he'll react to Reed.

Originally posted by Galan007
Um, no. BRB is the one who used that attack:

doesnt the previous panel show Thor calling down lightning on Durok? the next one being BRB's?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never said he was. It should be noted that he was trying to fight the mind control as I recall.

What do you mean when Iron Man stopped holding back? He even states that his repulsors were at full power.

He hit Thor twice in quick succession. If that fight would have lasted, Iron Man would have had shit pushed in the end. The energy he gained could only last so long and Thor's very quick to bounce back.

LMAO! Taking out Ulik is supposed to impress me and suggest his repulsor blasts will do something to Thor? Lol. Maybe if this was a few decades ago I'd be impressed. Just out of curiosity, what issue are you talking about?

And just in case you missed it:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor7.jpg

Repulsor blasts have not been anything more than an annoyance against Thor and I don't think that will change now.

Can you find it? The biggest moment of super speed that stands out in my mind is during the end of the extremis arc when he fights that terrorist.

Without Mjolnir in the scene? There isn't any as far as I know.

When was the last time you recall Iron Man using the energy absorption trick? I haven't seen it since he gained extremis myself.

His fighting a high end Class 100 here. I'm not impressed.

Ability to create containment fields. That's two Nuclear Warheads by the way. More power than I'd say Stark is packing:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ContainsNukes2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ContainsNuke3.jpg

Energy generation. That's Desak just so you know. He feeds on godly energy like Superman feeds on sunlight. Thor was still hurting him. Iron Man would be toast I'd wager:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak6.jpg

He incinerates the Bloodaxe which is a Mjolnir like weapon. A blast packing so much power if it's hits Stark, I'd wager it'd be the end of the fight.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus7.jpg

Heh.

I don't think you've actually been paying attention to the scans I've been posting. Excluding that little scene with the lightning, Iron Man's attacks have been completely ineffective against Thor.

first, why on earth on you showing scans that have exactly zero relevence to, well...... anything? showing scans of odinforce thor=less than irrelevent so that whole set of scans at the end is utterly meaningless.

next, your scan of thor taking the repulsor blast is also not nearly as telling as you seem to believe for a couple reasons. first, HE HAS HIS HAMMER IN HIS HAND. 😐 therefore, it's impossible to say whether it played a role in what happened. we see he has his left hand raised in the silhouette and his right arm thrown back. mjollnir was in his left hand. he could easily be absorbing or deflecting some of the blast as he has done so often to energy attacks in the past. frankly, we can't say. we have seen old blasts do more than that in the past, however, so it is not at all unreasonable. and then there is the fact that that was just a SINGLE blast. no way you can theorize that he could simply weather a dozen, 2 dozen, as easily, especially computer targetted and timed to hit in multiple places. that particular supposition is utterly ridiculous.

the ulik scan is in the respect thread, though again, if galan comes on he'll likely have it at hand. and yeah, if he can ko or take ulik out of a battle with a shot, i'd think it would do more than 'feel like rain' to thor. LOL especially if he pounds him enough times in conjunction with other attacks.

you think the best he can do is stalemate? so even 50 repulsor blasts wouldn't be enough to weaken him when a single combined drax/IM/wasp blast and a couple punches weakened him to the point where WASP ALONE could harm him?? and YOUR mind is boggled?

Originally posted by leonidas
first, why on earth on you showing scans that have exactly zero relevence to, well...... anything? showing scans of odinforce thor=less than irrelevent so that whole set of scans at the end is utterly meaningless.

Back then JMS still hadn't decided to give Thor the Odinforce as far as I can tell. There was a reason as to why when Iron Man asked if Thor had been working out (I.e Gotten stronger.) he simply said he wasn't holding back anymore. He seemed to be cutting loose and not amped in that fight. Repulsor's having no affect is in line with Thor and Iron Man's history.

Originally posted by leonidas
next, your scan of thor taking the repulsor blast is also not nearly as telling as you seem to believe for a couple reasons. first, HE HAS HIS HAMMER IN HIS HAND. 😐 therefore, it's impossible to say whether it played a role in what happened. we see he has his left hand raised in the silhouette and his right arm thrown back. mjollnir was in his left hand. he could easily be absorbing or deflecting some of the blast as he has done so often to energy attacks in the past. frankly, we can't say.

Haha what? Mjolnir is in his right hand. His left hand is slightly raised in front of the repulsor blast while his right hand is behind him.

Originally posted by leonidas
we have seen old blasts do more than that in the past, however, so it is not at all unreasonable. and then there is the fact that that was just a SINGLE blast. no way you can theorize that he could simply weather a dozen, 2 dozen, as easily, especially computer targetted and timed to hit in multiple places. that particular supposition is utterly ridiculous.

When have we seen old blasts do more than that? The time when repeated multiple blasts of repulsors to Thor's face was able to move his body a bit?

Originally posted by leonidas
the ulik scan is in the respect thread, though again, if galan comes on he'll likely have it at hand. and yeah, if he can ko or take ulik out of a battle with a shot, i'd think it would do more than 'feel like rain' to thor. LOL especially if he pounds him enough times in conjunction with other attacks.

You better not be thinking about Thor Vol. 2 #81 where a two handed repulsor blast from Iron Man knocks back a chained Ulik and does him no harm. Iron Man being able to only throw Ulik of his feet doesn't bode well for him here. And seeing how he fared against Loki, I'm honestly not seeing Iron Man being much of a threat here.

Originally posted by leonidas
you think the best he can do is stalemate? so even 50 repulsor blasts wouldn't be enough to weaken him when a single combined drax/IM/wasp blast and a couple punches weakened him to the point where WASP ALONE could harm him?? and YOUR mind is boggled?

Actually I do. Repulsor blasts have seemed to have no effect on Thor besides moving him physically from what I've seen. If you hadn't noticed, those weren't just a few punches but Iron Man batting out of his league when being amped by a lot of excess energy. A single one of those punches seemed to affect Thor more than all of Iron Man's repulsor attacks put together have.

As Superman showed us, get hit with enough power and you can be taken down by something like an exploding Gas Station. I doubt 50 Gas Stations to Superman's face would do anything on a regular occasion however.

I've honestly not seen anything in Iron vs. Thor matches to make me thing 50 or 100 repulsor blasts to the face would do anything more than annoy Thor. Especially since multiple bursts of repulsor blasts directly in Thor's face/chest didn't actually do anything besides well, annoying him.

Once again:

Two handed repulsor blasts directly to Thor's face having no effect:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsAvengers8.jpg

Repulsor blasts once again having no effect. Tony even admits that he can't even hurt Thor (And was that a Uni-Beam attack that Thor compared to nothing more than a glancing light, or just a beam of light?):
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsHulkIronMan2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsHulkIronMan3.jpg

Full Power Repulsor blasts in conjunction with Drax's and Wasp's attacks having no effect:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsDraxIronManWaspCap3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsDraxIronManWaspCap4.jpg

Repulsor blasts from Extremis having no effect:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor6.jpg

Based on the above scans, I don't see why 4 or 40 of the above completely useless attacks would do Thor any sort of damage that could set up Iron Man for a knock out.

BUT since I'm such a nice guy, I'll say that Iron Man might win one or two based on this where War Machine possessed by Loki fight where he is able to throw around a Thor who doesn't want to fight back. Thor is of course once again completely unharmed by his repulsor attacks but I'll relent:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsWarMachine5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsWarMachine8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsWarMachine9.jpg

He was even able to hurt Thor when he flies double fisted thrusters on full at the top of Thor's head. Thor was taken by surprise it should be noted and thought he was his friend.

couldnt thor just tank everything iron mans got then punch him to death?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He can generate lightning from every part of his body.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CreatesDestructionStormGiants2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/OmniLightning5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/OmniLightning6.jpg

I hate the extreme 90's Thor. Why did they have to make him shirtless?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Back then JMS still hadn't decided to give Thor the Odinforce as far as I can tell. There was a reason as to why when Iron Man asked if Thor had been working out (I.e Gotten stronger.) he simply said he wasn't holding back anymore. He seemed to be cutting loose and not amped in that fight. Repulsor's having no affect is in line with Thor and Iron Man's history.

i wasn't talking about that. i was talking about your other scans. and taking ONE blast, does NOT mean he can take MANY. you're point is utterly illogical. one the one hand you say drax+IM+wasp can simultaneously accrete enough damage to allow wasp a little later to actually harm him with her STING, yet you say SEVERAL (perhaps dozens by battle's end) far more POWERFUL blasts from IM would NOT accumulate to the point where he could damage thor AT ALL?? illogical in the extreme.

Haha what? Mjolnir is in his right hand. His left hand is slightly raised in front of the repulsor blast while his right hand is behind him.

yeah, that was an oops. i realized it later but it was too late to edit.... 😮

When have we seen old blasts do more than that? The time when repeated multiple blasts of repulsors to Thor's face was able to move his body a bit?

in the other scan i showed they did more than that. and these blasts are considerably more powerful than the old ones anyway.

You better not be thinking about Thor Vol. 2 #81 where a two handed repulsor blast from Iron Man knocks back a chained Ulik and does him no harm. Iron Man being able to only throw Ulik of his feet doesn't bode well for him here. And seeing how he fared against Loki, I'm honestly not seeing Iron Man being much of a threat here.

yeah, that's the one. and 'throw him off his feet'? he was ko'd. he's laying back, eyes closed. he also one shots a giant in that arc. yet repeated blasts like that won't add up at all and will do nothing to thor? c'mon, you gotta be kidding.

Actually I do. Repulsor blasts have seemed to have no effect on Thor besides moving him physically from what I've seen. If you hadn't noticed, those weren't just a few punches but Iron Man batting out of his league when being amped by a lot of excess energy. A single one of those punches seemed to affect Thor more than all of Iron Man's repulsor attacks put together have.

and? IM has been shown to be able to amp his armor independently when he needs to. i think it's the extremis that can also convert at will into other versions. what's to keep him from converting into hulkbuster armor if he needed to?

As Superman showed us, get hit with enough power and you can be taken down by something like an exploding Gas Station. I doubt 50 Gas Stations to Superman's face would do anything on a regular occasion however.

your analogy is meaningless when we've seen blasts from drax (likely equal to IM's blasts) and WASP (less than IM's blasts) together cause him harm. and his new repulsors are more powerful and of course, are not his only options. pulse bolts could CERTAINLY do harm.

I've honestly not seen anything in Iron vs. Thor matches to make me thing 50 or 100 repulsor blasts to the face would do anything more than annoy Thor.

which of course, makes no sense.....

Especially since multiple bursts of repulsor blasts directly in Thor's face/chest didn't actually do anything besides well, annoying him.

multiple equal maybe 2, once? and this means 50 won't do anything? makes sense. 😐

BUT since I'm such a nice guy, I'll say that Iron Man might win one or two based on this where War Machine possessed by Loki fight where he is able to throw around a Thor who doesn't want to fight back. Thor is of course once again completely unharmed by his repulsor attacks but I'll relent:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsWarMachine5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsWarMachine8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsWarMachine9.jpg

He was even able to hurt Thor when he flies double fisted thrusters on full at the top of Thor's head. Thor was taken by surprise it should be noted and thought he was his friend.

he could take some because it makes sense, and your point about 1-2 not doing much meaning 50 won't do anything makes zero sense. it also ignores the other weapons he could use in conjunction like pulse bolts, sonics, microwave bursts, self-amping, transforming (if that was indeed extremis), computer-targetted repulsors (perhaps dozens inside seconds) as well as the fact that with shields he has withstood a nuclear explosions and with shields and speed it would be almost impossible for thor to hit him while IM could just pummel him all day.

but yeah, he could win a couple because you're a nice guy. concession accepted.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
we already saw extremis get whooped by thor using base attacks that you guys are suggesting

Anyhow, something pertaining more to this match which should be taken from that encounter, is the fact that 2 consecutive hammer strikes from an enraged Thor hardly even fazed an unshielded Tony.

Originally posted by Galan007
Tony has stated numerous times that Extremis is leaps and bounds superior to any of his previous armors

he has the standard uni-beam, repulsers, sonic emitters, etc. but i haven't seen for example the magnetic feats he had in the 80's armour nor the silver centurion that would prove he incorporated those aspects into the extremis.

Originally posted by Galan007
Are you talking about their encounter in Thor #3 (2007)? If so, then that battle doesn't fit within the parameters of this particular match at all. Why? Because in that battle, a pissed off Thor first softened up a far less eager Tony with Mjolnir (which he doesn't have here) before utilizing any type of energy attack. Secondly, that was OF Thor. Thirdly, a single round of repulsors was the only offensive/defensive tactic Tony pulled from his bag 'o tricks - he wouldn't be fighting to that 'standard' here.

well, stark always had issue with thor, and that encounter showed why: he can't do jack to him without beefing his suit up with prep.

yeah it was of thor, but like i stated before extremis wasn't having an easy time with that chemically enhanced dude also, and thor didn't want to kill him either, unless OF thor beat on him just like he treated bor 😐

classic thor would destroy extremis ironman without mjolnir, his fight within exitar proves he's nothing to mess with even without it and he was wrecking constructs seemingly far more durable than extremis given it's performance against several opponents.

Originally posted by Galan007
the fact that 2 consecutive hammer strikes from an enraged Thor hardly even fazed an unshielded Tony.

he would have killed him if he wanted to.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials17.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials18Thor389.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials19.jpg

then sprinkle in the durok shit on that too, not a good look for tony

he can't keep the shields on forever, and that's presuming they are the ones we have see in other suites, and that they would stand up tp a furious pounding from thor

Originally posted by psycho gundam
in terms of reaction speeds, and other stuff like that yes, but using various things from his previous suits is strictly speculation at this point.

he has the standard uni-beam, repulsers, sonic emitters, etc. but i haven't seen for example the magnetic feats he had in the 80's armour nor the silver centurion that would prove he incorporated those aspects into the extremis.

well, stark always had issue with thor, and that encounter showed why: he can't do jack to him without beefing his suit up with prep.

yeah it was of thor, but like i stated before extremis wasn't having an easy time with that chemically enhanced dude also, and thor didn't want to kill him either, unless OF thor beat on him just like he treated bor 😐

classic thor would destroy extremis ironman without mjolnir, his fight within exitar proves he's nothing to mess with even without it and he was wrecking constructs seemingly far more durable than extremis given it's performance against several opponents.

he would have killed him if he wanted to.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials17.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials18Thor389.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials19.jpg

then sprinkle in the durok shit on that too, not a good look for tony

PFFFT... Obviousy Tony's armor >>>>> Celestial armor.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
in terms of reaction speeds, and other stuff like that yes, but using various things from his previous suits is strictly speculation at this point.

he has the standard uni-beam, repulsers, sonic emitters, etc. but i haven't seen for example the magnetic feats he had in the 80's armour nor the silver centurion that would prove he incorporated those aspects into the extremis.

well, stark always had issue with thor, and that encounter showed why: he can't do jack to him without beefing his suit up with prep.

yeah it was of thor, but like i stated before extremis wasn't having an easy time with that chemically enhanced dude also, and thor didn't want to kill him either, unless OF thor beat on him just like he treated bor 😐

classic thor would destroy extremis ironman without mjolnir, his fight within exitar proves he's nothing to mess with even without it and he was wrecking constructs seemingly far more durable than extremis given it's performance against several opponents.

he would have killed him if he wanted to.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials17.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials18Thor389.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials19.jpg

then sprinkle in the durok shit on that too, not a good look for tony

When you say "chemically enhanced dude", do you mean Mallen? If so, Extremis Tony wtfowned him with a ludicrous degree of prejudice. In fact, that 'battle' would rank in my top 10 comic book ownings of all time.

And what are those scans meant to show?

yeah that's his name. yes it was a good fight, but you have to admit that mallen had him near the end when he was about to rip his suit open. thor would have succeeded and then....

basically the scans show a weakend thor after using the god blast beat down several guys probably above mallen's weight class without extra powers.

it was from memory, but i thought he did a bit more before he jumped into the "brain" *shrugs*

^ Mallen only had the chance to get at Tony's suit, because Tony didn't want to have to kill him (which he ultimately did anyway.) But before that, Mallen was getting owned as though he were a minor inconvenience.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
yeah that's his name. yes it was a good fight, but you have to admit that mallen had him near the end when he was about to rip his suit open. thor would have succeeded and then....

basically the scans show a weakend thor after using the god blast beat down several guys probably above mallen's weight class without extra powers.

it was from memory, but i thought he did a bit more before he jumped into the "brain" *shrugs*

Are you talking about pre-Extremis Tony? Because he got handled. Extremis Tony embarrassed Mallen, who also had the Extremis virus in him. The guy couldn't even see Tony move when he didn't want him to.

until he got him down and was about to tear the suit open

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Mallen only had the chance to get at Tony's suit, because Tony didn't want to have to kill him (which he ultimately did anyway.) But before that, Mallen was getting owned as though he were a minor inconvenience.

^ Again, because Tony didn't want to have to kill him.

^ again, the powers displayed wouldn't take thor down uhuh

^ I never said they would. You're the one who brought up that particular battle. I simply commented on certain 'specifics' you mentioned that I thought were incorrect.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
basically the scans show a weakend thor after using the god blast beat down several guys probably above mallen's weight class without extra powers.

So you're randomly assuming those guys are above Mallen's level just...because? They don't perform any feats in those scans besides bum-rushing Thor, and that's not a feat. Mallen almost killed Tony, and rather easily at that.