Originally posted by Q99
Wolverine, though he does take some wounds. Her physical stas are higher ("Stronger than the strongest tiger, faster than the fastest cheetah..."😉, but he's more skilled and has healing factor.
Why would wolverine even take wounds? he a better fighter, superior rang and weapons.
No her stats are not higher, if you actaully read comics with wolverine in it you know this. His feats are superior in every senses.
also can you even provided evidence for your suposed quote? Not that it matter since wolverine much stronger then any tiger, and combat speed is much faster then any cheetah. Wolverine has straight up easily dominated siberian tigers like childs play and over powered lions and throw them.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No her stats are not higher, if you actaully read comics with wolverine in it you know this. His feats are superior in every senses.
She's a class ten with superhuman speed and agility, or in other words pretty much the same stats as Beast, who's given Wolverine good fights before. She often fought with classic Kraven, not a pushover himself, and while it's really, really hard to find scans of a complete fight with her, here's her easily overwhelming Hawkeye:
Perhaps you're just underrating Tigra somewhat? Just because someone can put up a fight against Wolverine doesn't make him weak, it means they've got stuff going for them too.
Originally posted by Q99Not sure if I'm the only one but your links doesn't show up.
She's a class ten with superhuman speed and agility, or in other words pretty much the same stats as Beast, who's given Wolverine good fights before. She often fought with classic Kraven, not a pushover himself, and while it's really, really hard to find scans of a complete fight with her, here's her easily overwhelming Hawkeye:Perhaps you're just underrating Tigra somewhat? Just because someone can put up a fight against Wolverine doesn't make him weak, it means they've got stuff going for them too.
Originally posted by Q99
She's a class ten with superhuman speed and agility, or in other words pretty much the same stats as Beast, who's given Wolverine good fights before.
For starters beats is not a class 10, so right off the bat your wrong. Wolverine dropped beast in a single pannel.......great example.......
You do realizes that Wolverine is superhuman in ever area? I really feel you lack this basic knowledge........
Originally posted by Q99
She often fought with classic Kraven, not a pushover himself, and while it's really, really hard to find scans of a complete fight with her, here's her easily overwhelming Hawkeye:
How is fighting hawlkeye even remotely the same as taking on Wolverine......and the scans don't even show up
Originally posted by Q99
Perhaps you're just underrating Tigra somewhat?
Or perhaps you have no idea what your talking about when you bring up wolverine? I mean you have repeatedfly stated ignorant and incorrect comments about him almost ever dam time you responded to a thread he was in........
Originally posted by Q99
Just because someone can put up a fight against Wolverine doesn't make him weak, it means they've got stuff going for them too.
your rational is rather terriable....as is your attempt at evidences.....which by the way is not evidences......and you really should not make quotes up unless you are preparedf to back up were you got it from.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
For starters beats is not a class 10, so right off the bat your wrong.
Hm, yea, I guess I was thinking of old-Beast.
Wolverine dropped beast in a single pannel.......great example.......
He also did better than that in Astonishing.
You do realizes that Wolverine is superhuman in ever area? I really feel you lack this basic knowledge........
Yes. You realize Tigra is superhuman in ever area?
Really, stop saying I'm underrating Wolverine, I haven't said jack squat about Wolverine other than the fact Beast has fought with him.
You apparently have no idea my actual arguments concerning Wolverine, and also seem to be overlooking the fact that I'm saying he still beats someone who's superhuman in every area and is a class 10. You're actually saying I'm saying the opposite of my real argument.
How is fighting hawlkeye even remotely the same as taking on Wolverine......
It's not, but he's still a skilled and impressive fighter that was easily dealt with via speed.
Not all comparisons have to be the exact same scenario, showing that Tigra > Hawkeye tells you something about Tigra.
Or perhaps you have no idea what your talking about when you bring up wolverine? I mean you have repeatedfly stated ignorant and incorrect comments about him almost ever dam time you responded to a thread he was in........
Maybe I don't think everyone else depowers to baseline human just because he has superhuman stats?
That's the crux of most of my Wolverine arguments: Just because he's superhuman doesn't make other fighters, especially other superhumans, helpless.
You may interpret that as me saying Wolverine doesn't have superhuman stats for some reason, but that's not actually what I argue.
But here the problem you rational for why she can put up a fight is becuase she superhuman which he also is.
Yes. They're *both* superhuman. So, superhuman vs superhuman = no fight to you?
.......then your reaosning is that she stronger then the storngest tiger and faster then the fastest cheetah....which again you were asked to give wer eyou got that quote
It's just her old tag-line from way back in the day I think. Being class 10, she's obviously more than that.
Here's another scan: Vs Kraven
She outruns him, surprising him with her speed, shrugs one of his punches entirely, then he pulls out a sonic device.
This guy KOs elephants and goes toe-to-toe with Spidey.
.....wolverine is stronger and faster then any big cat.....
So's she, that's the point.
your rational is rather terriable....as is your attempt at evidences..
You seem to be deciding what I'm saying before I said it. Most of your argument seems to revolve around me saying Wolverine isn't superhuman, which, you should note, I've never said.
Please try to not make up my arguments for me. You are not, technically speaking, arguing with me, so much as a strawman with different arguments than mine.
Battlehammer
are you kidding me? she was shitting her self with the hood..
Oh, THAT was total PIS! I think the cloak was supposed to be giving him super strength, but she should've owned him.
in wheldon written comic against holding back wolverine.
against wolverines that his enemy he got shit stomp in a single pannel fact.
Originally posted by Q99
Yes. You realize Tigra is superhuman in ever area?
Originally posted by Q99
Really, stop saying I'm underrating Wolverine, I haven't said jack squat about Wolverine other than the fact Beast has fought with him.
Originally posted by Q99
You apparently have no idea my actual arguments concerning Wolverine, and also seem to be overlooking the fact that I'm saying he still beats someone who's superhuman in every area and is a class 10. You're actually saying I'm saying the opposite of my real argument.
Originally posted by Q99
It's not, but he's still a skilled and impressive fighter that was easily dealt with via speed.Not all comparisons have to be the exact same scenario, showing that Tigra > Hawkeye tells you something about Tigra.
second wolveirne is superior to hawlk by quite a margin in every single way physically has vastly superior MA skills oh and has about life time plus knolwedge on hawlk eye......how is her fighting hawlk eye the leats bit relevent, to this thread or in any way makes it so that she hangs with wolverine?
Originally posted by Q99
Maybe I don't think everyone else depowers to baseline human just because he has superhuman stats?
Originally posted by Q99
That's the crux of most of my Wolverine arguments: Just because he's superhuman doesn't make other fighters, especially other superhumans, helpless.
Originally posted by Q99
Yes. They're *both* superhuman. So, superhuman vs superhuman = no fight to you?
Originally posted by Q99
It's just her old tag-line from way back in the day I think. Being class 10, she's obviously more than that.
Originally posted by Q99
Here's another scan: Vs KravenShe outruns him, surprising him with her speed, shrugs one of his punches entirely, then he pulls out a sonic device.
This guy KOs elephants and goes toe-to-toe with Spidey.
sweet she surprised him with her speed what is this suposes to prove?
I know who kraven is and her getting beat by him means what? how does that scan in anyway help your arguement that she can hang with wolverine? if he punch her she be dead.....he has claws......
Originally posted by Q99
So's she, that's the point.
she more now? really then this should be easy prove with pannel evidence that she class 10. lets see some feats. I notice again you ignored my comments about bringing forth evidences........
Like shrugging blows from Kraven and outrunning him? That is evidence.
Like I said, it's really hard to find scans for her, she lacks a respect thread or anything of the sort. Class ten is from the official marvel handbook and the Civil War Frontline report, and her performance there backs it up.
sweet she surprised him with her speed what is this suposes to prove?
Kraven is superhumanly fast. She's faster than him. She's thus quite significantly superhumanly fast.
I know who kraven is and her getting beat by him means what?
Note how she showed she was physically superior, then he used a sonic device to disable her.
And he's kinda impressive of a fighter.
here your arguement except it wrong and I asked you several times to prove it.......and again I get nothing.
Yea, that's because you're ignoring the evidence and shouting about how I'm saying stuff I haven't, not because nothing has been posted.
It's harder to explain stuff when you're yelling about it rather than asking.
Originally posted by Q99
Like shrugging blows from Kraven and outrunning him? That is evidence.
shrugging off a blow is durability.....and relevent when her opponent wielding piercing weapons.......
Originally posted by Q99
Like I said, it's really hard to find scans for her, she lacks a respect thread or anything of the sort. Class ten is from the official marvel handbook and the Civil War Frontline report, and her performance there backs it up.
really what did she do lets see some issue numbers here and title. I will gladly look it up to see this, but to be frank I doubt she showed anything closes to class 10.
Originally posted by Q99
Kraven is superhumanly fast. She's faster than him. She's thus quite significantly superhumanly fast.
She surprised him, in no way does that make her significantly faster, we have no idea if he was even running his fastest. what we do know is he was surprised by her speed and at the very leastshe is as fast if not faster.
however again what are you trying to prove? is this to prove she faster then wolverine. becuase I could easily top this feat with little efforter on my part.
Originally posted by Q99
Note how she showed she was physically superior, then he used a sonic device to disable her.
Originally posted by Q99
And he's kinda impressive of a fighter.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, that's because you're ignoring the evidence and shouting about how I'm saying stuff I haven't, not because nothing has been posted.
You posted one scan and you have yet to state what it suposes to prove. whats the point of the scan? is it to prove she faster then wolverine?
No, it's to help establish a baseline for her powers. Knowing what a character can do allows one to form a more educated opinion on how they'd do in a fight.
Giving an example of someone's abilities is the definition of evidence, it's very basic stuff. Not everything is an attack on a character, and debates work a lot better if you don't get so defensive. You apparently can't debate if Wolverine is involved without treating everything as an attack, and I have little idea what you think Tigra can do except "less than Wolverine," because you've never said what you think she can do, you just attack me for attacking Wolverine.
I can tell you what I've read and I can give a very few examples, but you have ignored and acted offended when I *do* post scans , and we don't have a nice respect thread to work with, so second-hand info and a few scattered scans is about the best you can get except for the examples provided.
If you aren't willing to take anyone at their word about anything, then there's little we can debate here. You've got nothing but accusations, and I've got mostly second-hand info and two fights where she shows herself to be superhuman against skilled foes.
Originally posted by Q99
No, it's to help establish a baseline for her powers. Knowing what a character can do allows one to form a more educated opinion on how they'd do in a fight.Giving an example of someone's abilities is the definition of evidence, it's very basic stuff. Not everything is an attack on a character. You apparently can't debate if Wolverine is involved without treating everything as an attack.
No it really not. I could post an entire respect thread, it means nothing with out one providing an arguement other wises in nonsenses. scans can also be out of context which frequently occures.
I not attacking I am asking you to prove your points.
first prove that she is class 10.
second prove that she faster then wolverine.
both comments you made neither have been proven even though I have asked several times for you to back your claims.
My arguements been simple if they are phsyically equals how does tigra stand a chance?
also it call actaully providing comics numbers and titles. You bring up random events from memory mean nothing, you could be lying miss remebering ect.
also you brought one scan up and it really had nothing to do with what I been asking unless you thought that makes her faster then wolverine.
