Originally posted by Martian_mind
I'm interested in seeing how Q intends to debate this point if scans are so hard to come by.
I'm not, I'm out.
I can discuss from what I know, but I can't upload memories up to a respect thread or anything. Battlehammer can't prove his point and I can't prove mine, we can only offer opinions.
Originally posted by Q99
I'm not, I'm out.I can discuss from what I know, but I can't upload memories up to a respect thread or anything. Battlehammer can't prove his point and I can't prove mine, we can only offer opinions.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully I can easily prove my point, your the only one who could not prove there points/ I could prove pretty much any point I made.......you on the other hand could prove none of them........
You haven't posted any scans on Tigra's strength level or anything on her abilities, just offered opinions.
The only one who's provided any scans is me, I'll remind you. You've proven precisely jack squat.
The only thing a lack of scans does is mean neither of us can prove our points. You can't say Y is better than X if you don't even know what X is.
*Edit* I did manage to find out the first Kraven vs Tigra confrontation if you want to check that out. It's Marvel Chillers Vol 1 number 4. And apparently she takes on Super-Skrull in issue 9 of the same series, though I don't know how that turns out, and Ms. Marvel in issue 19 of her latest series. Those seem the best places for strength feats.
Originally posted by Q99
You haven't posted any scans on Tigra's strength level or anything on her abilities, just offered opinions.The only one who's provided any scans is me, I'll remind you.
except it was a single scan and it dident even prove your point which is that she faster then wolverine
here how well beast did against wolverine.
1. http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/6209/beastoneshotgr6.jpg
Oh and I said Wolverine faster, quicker reflexes.
speed and reflex feat beyond anything tigra done.
1. http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3616/captang6zk5.jpg
here another feat beyond anything tigra done.
1. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8499/xmenv2133p03gm1.jpg
2. http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6867/bulletsidestepkq1.jpg
you were saying?
Originally posted by Q99The only thing a lack of scans does is mean neither of us can prove our points. You can't say Y is better than X if you don't even know what X is.
actaully I know y and x and I can prove x is better, while you can't prove squat about y.
Originally posted by Q99
*Edit* I did manage to find out the first Kraven vs Tigra confrontation if you want to check that out. It's Marvel Chillers Vol 1 number 4. And apparently she takes on Super-Skrull in issue 9 of the same series, though I don't know how that turns out, and Ms. Marvel in issue 19 of her latest series. Those seem the best places for strength feats.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Becuase I can't prove a negative it impossible.
You don't have to prove a negative, just show some feats where she's too slow or whatever to accomplish something, thus establishing her level.
Oh and I said Wolverine faster, quicker reflexes.
Faster than what? You don't know how fast she is.
speed and reflex feat beyond anything tigra done.
How would you know? Are you very familiar with Tigra?
here another feat beyond anything tigra done.
You sound quite certain, what is the fastest she's ever done?
I mean, I can believe that's faster than anything she's ever done, but it's hard to say for sure, isn't it?
You can say "I doubt she's ever..." "I don't think she's...." "My impression is...", but you can't say for certain without evidence.
I fully admit I don't have the evidence on hand to prove my point. That doesn't mean you can just decide what it is, though, it just means we don't have enough proof.
Originally posted by Q99
You don't have to prove a negative, just show some feats where she's too slow or whatever to accomplish something, thus establishing her level.
Originally posted by Q99
Faster than what? You don't know how fast she is.
Originally posted by Q99
How would you know? Are you very familiar with Tigra?
Originally posted by Q99
You sound quite certain, what is the fastest she's ever done?
Originally posted by Q99
I mean, I can believe that's faster than anything she's ever done, but it's hard to say for sure, isn't it?
your pretty much strawmaning an arguement right now it more annoying then productive.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
yes I would and I was talking strength. also again burden of proof is on you. you said she that strong prove it.
We do have handbook data.
I know it's not a comic scan, but it's something.
Prove that she that fast, if not she not simple as that.
I did show she's faster than Kraven.
I'll retract my initial statement, but she's still definitely superhuman fast.
this is how it works, you prove with evidences characters abilities, if you can' tyou loses.
I'm not in the fight. Nor are you. We're the debaters, not the characters.
more then you thats for certain.
I'd be glad to see your scans.
if you can't prove it then she not.
No, if I can't prove it, that means I, personally, am incapable of proving it, nothing more, nothing less.
your pretty much strawmaning an arguement right now it more annoying then productive.
Strawmaning is saying your argument/attacking a fake argument. I'm not.
I'm saying we lack the ability to draw a conclusion with available data, and you're claiming definitive knowledge of Tigra's abilities.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Lets see some feats then.For starters beats is not a class 10, so right off the bat your wrong. Wolverine dropped beast in a single pannel.......great example.......
Beast IS class 10, unless the feline mutation is weaker than the previous ape-like one.
Anyway, Wolverine beats Tigra.
