Jiraiya vs Killer Bee

Originally posted by Q99
I doubt it. Or rather, some bodies can put up a fight while the others hang back, and Pain can fix up ones he loses anyway.

Because he did that so easily on a tactically relevant timescale with Naruto.

Oh wait.

He didn't.

Simple fact is is that Killer Bee can more than take down atleast a few of the paths, quickly improving the odds, then stomping the rest. and if the Deva path tries the Gravity thing, poof Eight tailed fox *****. What is lack in power, it makes up for in the fact that Killer Bee has full control over it.

Pain loses. Unfortunately.

Pain had some up front and some in back, Deva in the back row recharging instead of in the front row fighting as would be normal, often sacrificed some to protect others on multiple occasions, and Naruto had significant backup in the form of three giant summons and two elders. It'll take Killerbee more effort to deal with the animal summons than a saged up Naruto with three toads to deliver the final blows.

Taking out a few paths only changes the odds a lot of if it's the right ones. If it's the wrong ones (i.e. not Deva), then healbot Pain has time to revive them. It fixed Asura pretty fast.

Yes, it would take more effort, but that's what being able to transform into the damn eight tails is for.

Or are you not getting this?

He will whittle them down to the point that only the Deva path isn't being repaired, then end up killing him.

Unless your saying the Eight tails' menacing ball is weaker than What naruto used.

taking out the animal and healing paths first would be the wisest thing to do. If Bee does that i doubt Pein would even use the Push thing 'cause when he uses that it wipes him out and without animal, there's no one to keep Bee busy during recharge. Bee Stomps if this is the case, but it's all dependent on the slim chance that Bee kills animal path before it starts summoning.

IT can start cummoning but it will likely attract his attnetion real fast and get killed, as will the healing path eventually. Killer Bee has almost every advantage that Naruto had, minus Sage Mode and possibly summons. But then again, he has the total control of his tailed beast chakra to help offset this plus decades more experince and being wuite a powerful combatant himslef.

Bee doesn't have the verity of counters to stop Jiraya let alone Pain. That Lariat is overrated, it only hit slow stationary targets and failed to actually kill someone.

Jiraya has supierority anyway since he can seal the Jinnchuriki's chakra or just summon spam frogs until Bee feels over whelm. The Hachibi full form can be defeated with ease, it's not like the Kyuubi and can tank everything.

The seven sword style. I think Jiraya can hang with it. It's not like Sasuke was in top form when he could not see the swords style, I think dodging the seven sword style takes a special kinda a ninja one who can see the attack paterms of the different swrod strikes and counter appropiately. You don't need to even be swordsman to counter Bee's swords, Jiraya's odama rasangan could just break through them.

Safe Mode > Vs 2 because he increases your chakra and injects it into the air by channeling natural energy. Hachibiform has shown to be vunreable enough to hit if your strong enough to strike it down and Giant rasnagan and toad oil can do the trick.

Plus J man has the elemental advantage so Bee's raiton taijutsu will be useless.

Jiraiya vs Bee is a really tough match one that i would probly favor Jiraiya due to his more varied attacks as well as additional back up in the form of Sage frogs. Bee definitely wont be defeating pain who to date IS the most powerful ninja actually shown in the show.

naruto 4 vtails wounded jiraiya greatly i think bee should be able to do the same.....that lariat is something fierce

9 tails > 8 tails. Jiraya can harm the cloak just like Sasuke did with his chidori eiso and amaterasu.

Originally posted by yungz22
naruto 4 vtails wounded jiraiya greatly i think bee should be able to do the same.....that lariat is something fierce

Oh, I thought this was Killer Bee vs Pain....

Hmmm, Jiraiya might win. Maybe.

Originally posted by marwash22
that logic is kinda flawed seeing as Jiraiya wasn't trying to kill or even fight Naruto when the 4tailed-cloak appeared.

he opened narutos seal he was expecting a fight regaerdless whether or not he was tryinng to fight he still got seriously wounded

I'm not arguing his expectations, i simply meant that, he wasn't trying to kill Naruto like he would be in this situation. In that instance, his first priority was Naruto's safety.

jiraya gets stomped

cut it out y'all

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Bee gets stomped

cut it out y'all

Originally posted by Letum Lettow
Yes, it would take more effort, but that's what being able to transform into the damn eight tails is for.

Or are you not getting this?

He will whittle them down to the point that only the Deva path isn't being repaired, then end up killing him.

And he's meanwhile taking a lot of damage, might be trapped in Deva's sphere, hurt bad by a big gravity push, might get chakra drain at some point, has to deal with a lot of summons, etc. etc.. He's getting worn down and hurt in return, you know.

I'm saying Pain's combined power is strong enough to prevent that from happening, he's got a lot of dangerous attacks KB will have to deal with, it won't just be him tearing through bodies.

Pain's overall lasting power is extreme too. You seem to also be severely overestimating repair times. 'The point that only the Deva path isn't being repaired,'? It took 5~ seconds to repair Asura, turn around for fixing a 'killed' path is very short. Trying to outdo the repair rate is suicidal, the only real option is trying to take out the heal path or KB's flat out doomed. He probably will get to heal path sooner or later, but with Deva path in the way, it will not be easy and he'll take a lot of lumps trying.

Transforming into 8-tails is not a sure win, Pain is without a doubt dangerous to do major damage to him in that state. Asura can inflict damage to him physically (big chakra laser or blades or missiles), Animal can send summons to attack, and Deva can smush him or sphere him.

Unless your saying the Eight tails' menacing ball is weaker than What naruto used.

Naruto didn't win the fight, so it could be stronger and still not win it for KB. Raw power of a jutsu isn't all that wins fights.... and Deva Pain's city busting push has more power than either.

Plus even if he charges up for one, that's not a guarantee that it'll hit, that he won't be hit first (gravity blast has a shorter charge time), Preta won't absorb it, Animal won't summon the others out of the way, etc..

Hmm I wonder, Jiraiya has seals that can supress Kyuubi, I wonder if they would work on Hachibi.

Well those only reinforce an already sealed Kyuubi's seal, the Hachibi is not really sealed, is it?

I thought the seal Jiraiya gave Kakashi was basically just the same as what Yamato does. Suppress Kyuubi's chakra when it takes over Naruto. Hachibi's chakra should still be able to suppressed, it not being caged up shouldn't matter should it? Though Naruto and Bee having two different seals used to seal the beasts inside might matter but I don't know.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Well those only reinforce an already sealed Kyuubi's seal, the Hachibi is not really sealed, is it?

It's sealed, hence KB as it's jinchuuriki, the iron armor seal or something is what it's called, KB mentioned it a couple issues back...