Elektra Vs. Deathstroke(H2H)

Originally posted by namorsubby
Different definition of the term "peak human" when in reference to cap. Cap is as good as the human species could ever be.

but still though, he doesn't do much of anything that any grade A, peak human streetleveler has not achieved(batman, DD, etc)

hell DD straight up stated that he capt faster then him on two occassion I believe.

capt strength feats as well are much higher.

actaully DS feats in inferior to capts over all in terms of physical prowesses being shown...........

Originally posted by Battlehammer
when has either of them been clocked at 60 miles an hour?

hell DD straight up stated that he capt faster then him on two occassion I believe.

capt strength feats as well are much higher.

actaully DS feats in inferior to capts over all in terms of physical prowesses being shown...........

Seriously. Slade doesn't even have a legitimate strength feat in the standard DC U. When the Chain Gang locked him up he couldn't even break the bars, he spent days filling them down so he could escape.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

actaully DS feats in inferior to capts over all in terms of physical prowesses being shown...........

True. Cap's strength feats are better then Slades.

But IMO Slade and Cap I place them as equals.

Both have been stated to be almost superhuman. Both have been stated to faster or stronger then there peers like Daredevil for Cap or Batgirl for Slade.

Both have been coined strength of 10. Both have enhanced minds and both are military enhanced.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
when has either of them been clocked at 60 miles an hour?

hell DD straight up stated that he capt faster then him on two occassion I believe.

capt strength feats as well are much higher.

actaully DS feats in inferior to capts over all in terms of physical prowesses being shown...........

cap's, bats, and slade's feats of strength are IMO, no better than the other.

Darthgoober sent my like all the strength feats he had of cap way back, and I'm going to tell you:

bar breaking
Chain breaking
wall punching

pretty much all any of those guys have to offer in strength feats. Slade's official rating is higher though, that's a fact.

and to that last statement......hell no.

Slade's official rating isn't higher then Cap.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Slade's official rating isn't higher then Cap.

Originally posted by namorsubby
2 tons?......yeah

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Does it say somewhere he can lift 2 tons or is that a estimation?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
10 times an athletic human (who can lift 300-400 lbs).

Originally posted by namorsubby
2 tons?......yeah

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Seriously. Slade doesn't even have a legitimate strength feat in the standard DC U. When the Chain Gang locked him up he couldn't even break the bars, he spent days filling them down so he could escape.

Then again, Bruce's feats are just insane for a human. The guy could stress a thick tempered steel support beam that supports a building with a kick. Several characters have commented that with his harder strikes - not holding back - he hits like he has superhuman strength.

Even Dick and Tim were shown training together chopping tree-like thick logs in half with strikes, like the old panel of Bruce in training. I believe Dick did one of them while upside down balancing on one hand on top of a pole, if I remember right.

Bat-family is just crazy.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Different definition of the term "peak human" when in reference to cap. Cap is as good as the human species could ever be.

but still though, he doesn't do much of anything that any grade A, peak human streetleveler has not achieved(batman, DD, etc)

DD said Cap was faster. On at least two ocassions Batman has said Cap was superior.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Seriously. Slade doesn't even have a legitimate strength feat in the standard DC U. When the Chain Gang locked him up he couldn't even break the bars, he spent days filling them down so he could escape.

Are you lowballing again?

Originally posted by Deadline
On at least two ocassions Batman has said Cap was superior

if you're refering to their JLA/avengers Meeting, that has to be one of the most misqouted statements in comics.

Batman said "it's concievable that you could beat me, avenger, but it would take a very long time"

Everyone interprets that as Bruce conceding to the fact that Steve has more stamina and would eventually beat him. How?, I have no idea.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
first off he neevr been stated as 2 tons and that not even higher then capt

2 tons isn't higher than Cap? Confused, much?

800-1200 lbs = Cap, not 4000 lbs.lol

Originally posted by namorsubby
when? and is it canon?

Nope but I would thought id mention it.

Originally posted by namorsubby

if you're refering to their JLA/avengers Meeting, that has to be one of the most misqouted statements in comics.

Batman said "it's concievable that you could beat me, avenger, but it would take a very long time"

Everyone interprets that as Bruce conceding to the fact that Steve has more stamina and would eventually beat him. How?, I have no idea.

No the writer confirmed that Batman mean't Cap was superior. I had better stop now or I could get into trouble with the mods.

He said it's concievable that he could beat him, how is that the same?

Originally posted by namorsubby
He said it's concievable that he could beat him, how is that the same?

Originally posted by Deadline
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No the writer confirmed that Batman mean't Cap was superior.

Okay, show me.

I still don't see how anyone can get that out of that statement though.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Okay, show me.

The site were the quotes were taken from has been pruned and no longer exists. However you can look at this quote and go to the thread and I see us discussing this.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Chuckg
Don't you think Batman should be able to defeat Captain America by using his leopard blow?

kurtbusiek
[b]No, not particularly.

Chuckg
That really should be interpreted that Batman thinks he'd beat Cap, doesn't it, since Batman is the far more skilled fighter?

kurtbusiek
You can interpret it how you like, but my intent was that Batman was noting that Cap is the more skilled.

kdb

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=39153878&start=0&tstart=0

It's from page 45 [/B]

Theres also this.

http://img10.imageshack.us/i/dcdbatcap2c.jpg/

Obvously they had to say almost because it would have pissed off fans.

Heres what Brubaker said about Cap and Batman. Again the site has been moved or pruned but I used direct quotes and didn't alter anything.

Originally posted by Deadline
Caps is above peak human. These are quotes from Ed Brubaker. Thanks go to Daredevil1 for finding them.

http://www.comicboards.com/camb/view.php?rpl=060330214926

"Just physical exertion. While I don't think of Cap as 'super' like Spider-man or Superman,[B] he's clearly not Batman with a shield. He's not just like a guy who works out all the time and is trained. He's been enhanced, and I wanted to show that a bit."

"See, I never understand why everyone gets so worked up about this stuff. Cap was given the Super-Soldier Serum. The first word there is SUPER. He's not superman, but clearly, he's been shown to be much faster and stronger than a well-trained athlete, many many times. One of everyone's favorite Cap appearances seems to be DD: Born Again, where he's shown running to fast that he's a breeze."

http://www.comicboards.com/camb/view.php?rpl=060418204829&q=ed%20brubaker

"I see it as he's the ultimate of human potential. Not something the modern man could ever be, but like an evolutionary next-step, basically. He's not Thor or Spiderman, but he's not Batman, either." [/B]

Originally posted by namorsubby

I still don't see how anyone can get that out of that statement though.

Lets face it though you're not interested in being objective are you? You are arguing over a point which is very simple to understand. It has nothing to do with intepretation. The writer is God and knows what Batman was thinking and the writer knows what Batman mean't was that Cap was superior.

lol, If the writers indeed did say so, I just wanted proof, that's all, because they in no way whatsoever implied it by Batman's dialogue in JLA/Avengers. That other scan also doesn't solidify or support that notion.

It's not being difficult or objective to simply ask for a reason to believe what someone says.

It's non-canon anyway.

Originally posted by namorsubby
That other scan also doesn't solidify or support that notion.

Yes but it supports what other writers have said about Batman. You understand that if they said he had a slight edge that it could piss off fans so they have to play it down. Its obvious thats the writer is intending to say Cap is superior but trying to downplay it.

Originally posted by namorsubby

It's not being difficult or objective to simply ask for a reason to believe what someone says.

You missed the point, nevermind.

Originally posted by namorsubby

It's non-canon anyway.

True but exceptions with non-canon sources have been made on this board if you can prove that the character are not any different than they are in mainstream. Common sense dictates though that this could be used as proof, theres a reason why all these writers think that Cap is superior.

Fact of the matter is you really can't give me anything that blantantly proves that Batman is superior, I can vice versa.