Originally posted by Deadlinedenial about?
He doesn't just fight thugs obvoulsy there are other Metas and other skilled humans but there are alot of thugs in there and I can do direct comparisons. You're just in denail I just gave you a list of arcs which I read and those are ALOT of Batman comics. The fact that Caps rogues gallery is more formidable speaks for itself.Knightfall
Knightsend
Cataclysm
No Mans Land (Hell No Mans Land ain't even an arc it was a massive Batman crossover and I think it lasted at least a year)
Other Batman comics. Legends Of the Dark Knight etc.I need to brush up? Bullshit.
the fact that Batman routinely goes out of his own rogue gallery to fight superhuman threats as he's been in many assorted superhuman teams regularly over the years should speak for itself. not only that, but superhuman foes pop up all the time in batman's own titles. anyone who reads Batman knows that he is known for meta-human ownage and tackling things which seem squarely out of his power range......either through contigency of just straight up determination/cleverness
This is Elektra Vs Deathstroke BTW
Originally posted by namorsubby
denial about?the fact that Batman routinely goes out of his own rogue gallery to fight superhuman threats as he's been in many assorted superhuman teams regularly over the years should speak for itself. not only that, but superhuman foes pop up all the time in batman's own titles. anyone who reads Batman knows that he is known for meta-human ownage and tackling things which seem squarely out of his power range......either through contigency of just straight up determination/cleverness
This is Elektra Vs Deathstroke BTW
Then go here.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=387943&pagenumber=107
Originally posted by namorsubby
[B]when/where has cap been referenced as ten times human?Slade has actually been referenced in comics as 20 times human strength before, and his reflexes has been said to be "instantaneous". He also has claimed his senses to be increased a thousandfold.
That puts him squarely at meta and above cap.
Cap was stated to have the strength of 10 in Cap V4 #17 and he was stated to have the strength and agility of half a platoon of fighting men, in the Invaders vol 1 series.
Slade I heard himself say 10 men not 20.
I'm skimming through all of his appearances for his thread, I'll find the statement eventually.
Sound's good. Lets see it.
Damn.. you guys are STILL on about this crap?
Hehe..
Cap is pretty much = to Deathstroke in physicality, not sure how that's even remotely up for debate.
As for the fight. Elektra would probably be able to stalemate DS in most facets of the fight but I think his "meh" healing factor and general durability gives him an edge to take enough from Elektra to capitalize on openings. She shouldn't be able to beat him for the majority.
Originally posted by Daredevil1the 20 men thing is already on my thread, when he fights WW. check it out.
Cap was stated to have the strength of 10 in Cap V4 #17 and he was stated to have the strength and agility of half a platoon of fighting men, in the Invaders vol 1 series.Slade I heard himself say 10 men not 20.
Sound's good. Lets see it.
half a platoon? I read the whole invades series from the 70's and don't seem to recall, but really, you don't think it may have been more figurative than literal? I mean, half a platoon??? that could mean anywhere from 8 to 25 soldiers.
Same thing goes for Cap V4 #17(which I just read). How does the nazi general that just fetched him from the water know the exact parameters of his strength? I think that was a more figurative expression due to him just waking up and thrashing everybody.
also, on the cover, it said "Marvel MK" in the left hand corner. Does that stand for "Marvel Knights"?
Anyway, point is:
Slade's reflexes are considered instantaneous. His senses have been stated to been increased a thousandfold. in WW V2 #62a, he was stated as having the strength of twenty men(not to mention he was fighting Diana in that comic). His attributes are clearly meta. Feats support his physical superiority in all areas, save strength, which he is running inconvienently low on.
According to feats, Steve is way more comparable and/or equal to Batman, than Slade. The familarities of the origin of their power, along with some misinterpreted statements in the non-canon company crossover interactions between Bruce and Steve no doubt lead to the common misconception.
Originally posted by namorsubby
the 20 men thing is already on my thread, when he fights WW. check it out.half a platoon? I read the whole invades series from the 70's and don't seem to recall, but really, you don't think it may have been more figurative than literal? I mean, half a platoon??? that could mean anywhere from 8 to 25 soldiers.
Same thing goes for Cap V4 #17(which I just read). How does the nazi general that just fetched him from the water know the exact parameters of his strength? I think that was a more figurative expression due to him just waking up and thrashing everybody.
also, on the cover, it said "Marvel MK" in the left hand corner. Does that stand for "Marvel Knights"?
Anyway, point is:
Slade's reflexes are considered instantaneous. His senses have been stated to been increased a thousandfold. in WW V2 #62a, he was stated as having the strength of twenty men(not to mention he was fighting Diana in that comic). His attributes are clearly meta. Feats support his physical superiority in all areas, save strength, which he is running inconvienently low on.
According to feats, Steve is [b]way
more comparable and/or equal to Batman, than Slade. The familarities of the origin of their power, along with some misinterpreted statements in the non-canon company crossover interactions between Bruce and Steve no doubt lead to the common misconception. [/B]
Steve feats are better then Slades and better in feats of strength. Jinzin even pointed this out a poster whom I've debated with. Even in your bio of your respect thread of Slade shows his wife mention "almost Superhuman" and in his DC bio that you also posted showed what they consider super his coordination and his stamina. Not his other stats. His instantaneous could be figurative as well as his fight with WW that you mention.
You think he's class 2 and yet you haven't really proved it as well. I have a statement that Cap's been given the powers of a God. That trumps 20 men. If you really want to prove Slade is truthfully stronger then show him throwing a car or something.
Otherwise Cap's feats look better overall.
Also I just checked your thread were does it say Slade has the strength of 20 men? Or twenty men?
Also you said you would show him stated to be class 2 in strength? You have failed to show this.
Cap has a strength feat of buckling a metal door and breaking out of cryogenic freeze. Cap's strength feats are better.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Steve feats are better then Slades and better in feats of strength. Jinzin even pointed this out a poster whom I've debated with. Even in your bio of your respect thread of Slade shows his wife mention "almost Superhuman" and in his DC bio that you also posted showed what they consider super his coordination and his stamina. Not his other stats. His instantaneous could be figurative as well as his fight with WW that you mention.You think he's class 2 and yet you haven't really proved it as well. I have a statement that Cap's been given the powers of a God. That trumps 20 men. If you really want to prove Slade is truthfully stronger then show him throwing a car or something.
Otherwise Cap's feats look better overall.
no, I have about all Steve's strength feats sitting in my inbox right now.
get off it man, Slade is not "almost superhuman". he's a meta, plain and simple. I think I heard him referred to as that once in a pre-crisis who's who book. the other newer addition also states his reflexes as "instantaneous", that's not figurative. He said it himself too, it's in my thread. The newer one also says the strength that he already had was "quadrupled" by the serum. He was already a superb physical specimen in the army. That's certainly superhuman.
how could the statement from that fight with WW be figurative? how?
powers from god? how does that mean anything? WTF?
Slade Vs. Wally West?
Slade Vs. Hal Jordan/Aquaman?
Slade Vs. Teen Titans?
Slade Vs. Wonder Woman?
What I'm getting at is........No, Cap doesn't have better feats. He has no edge in physicalty as displayed in them either. Slade's speed feats definitely trump Cap's though.
The Captain America comparisons need to cease. Cap wouldn't beat Batman in that Fashion. Cap couldn't effortlessly embarass a top-notch fighter like Nightwing.....4 times at that.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Also I just checked your thread were does it say Slade has the strength of 20 men? Or twenty men?Also you said you would show him stated to be class 2 in strength? You have failed to show this.
Cap has a strength feat of buckling a metal door and breaking out of cryogenic freeze. Cap's strength feats are better.
In the WW/Slade fight. check it again.
My respect thread's not nearly over.
Slade has kicked down a door of reinforced steel with ease. He's punched and rip through a wall. He's ripped open a locked car truck underwater. he doesn't have a lot going for him as far as strength feats, but he's stated higher and Cap still has no obvious edge feat-wise in that department
Originally posted by namorsubby
no, I have about all Steve's strength feats sitting in my inbox right now.get off it man, Slade is not "almost superhuman". he's a meta, plain and simple. I think I heard him referred to as that once in a pre-crisis who's who book. the other newer addition also states his reflexes as "instantaneous", that's not figurative. He said it himself too, it's in my thread. The newer one also says the strength that he already had was "quadrupled" by the serum. He was already a superb physical specimen in the army. That's certainly superhuman.
how could the statement from that fight with WW be figurative? how?
powers from god? how does that mean anything? WTF?
Slade Vs. Wally West?
Slade Vs. Hal Jordan/Aquaman?
Slade Vs. Teen Titans?
Slade Vs. Wonder Woman?
What I'm getting at is........No, Cap doesn't have better feats. He has no edge in physicalty as displayed in them either. Slade's speed feats definitely trump Cap's though.
The Captain America comparisons need to cease. Cap wouldn't beat Batman in that Fashion. Cap couldn't effortlessly embarass a top-notch fighter like Nightwing.....4 times at that.
In the WW/Slade fight. check it again.
My respect thread's not nearly over.
Slade has kicked down a door of reinforced steel with ease. He's punched and rip through a wall. He's ripped open a locked car truck underwater. he doesn't have a lot going for him as far as strength feats, but he's stated higher and Cap still has no obvious edge feat-wise in that department
All that typing and still no legitimate proof.
So what. Cap vs Hulk
Cap vs Namor
Cap vs Onslaught
Cap vs Spiderman
Cap vs Ironfist
Fights are fights. I'm talking feats and none of your feats portray Slade greater then Cap. Get off of what. Your the one claiming Slade is higher then Cap and have yet to prove it. You didn't know the citations of Cap being called strength of 10 and half a platoon and you expect me to believe you've seen all of Cap's strength feats?
This Slade >>then Cap is just that your "opinion".
Originally posted by namorsubby
20 men > Cap's strength Level. FactInstantaneous > Cap's reflexes. Fact
Cap having the strength of half a platoon > 20 men.
Cap has a speed feat of 60 mph. Slade reflexes are not instantaneous there's a quote of Batman moving at the speed of light.
Seriously. Statement are statements but over all feats Cap's are better but...........I view them as equals.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Can you post the scan stating he's got the strength of 20 men? That would easily make him a 2 tonner imo.
Senses increased a thousandfold
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/NewTeenTitans010-09.jpg
Instantaneous Reflexes
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/ntt039-14.jpg
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap having the strength of half a platoon > 20 men.Cap has a speed feat of 60 mph. Slade reflexes are not instantaneous there's a quote of Batman moving at the speed of light.
Seriously. Statement are statements but over all feats Cap's are better but...........I view them as equals.
A platoon is 16 to 50 men. Half is 8 to 25, that's not specific. And you didn't even give an exact issue.
Question. How many times in comics have we seen a badguy claim "no one can defeat me, im the strongest/most poerful..blah.. blah in the world"?
I mean statements..really? Some random guys says, 'he's supposed to have...' well.. according to who? Some guy in the pub?
Wolverine having a near instantanious reaction time (by peak human standards) i can believe, it was measured, by Beast cyclops and Prof X i think, with machinery, 0.038 seconds or some shit. Not because he says so..
Originally posted by Juk3nIt's how the writer gets the point across.
Question. How many times in comics have we seen a badguy claim "no one can defeat me, im the strongest/most poerful..blah.. blah in the world"?I mean statements..really? Some random guys says, 'he's supposed to have...' well.. according to who? Some guy in the pub?
Wolverine having a near instantanious reaction time (by peak human standards) i can believe, it was measured, by Beast cyclops and Prof X i think, with machinery, 0.038 seconds or some shit. Not because he says so..
