Originally posted by Zack SkywalkerIt doesn't.
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, I haven't read them.
Here are the bios of Qui-Gon and Mace from The New Essential Guide to Characters:
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http://img192.imageshack.us/i/quigon2.jpg/
http://img64.imageshack.us/i/mace1h.jpg/
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As you can see, neither bio mentions Qui-Gon being Mace's equal in any area(s).
^ srsly The TPM novelization makes it clear that Maul was not only hard-pressed to beat Qui-Gon, but also hard-pressed to beat Padawn Obi-Wan (excerpts can be posted if need be.) Dooku, on the other hand, owned AotC Anakin/Obi-Wan, and was still able to give Yoda a good fight afterward (Dooku also gave Yoda yet another good fight during Dark Rendezvous.)
Anywho... If you really think Maul would be able to compete with Yoda, then we may as well stop this debate right here.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ srsly The TPM novelization makes it clear that Maul was not only hard-pressed to beat Qui-Gon, but also hard-pressed to beat Padawn Obi-Wan (excerpts can be posted if need be.) Dooku, on the other hand, owned AotC Anakin/Obi-Wan as though they were nothing, and was still able to give Yoda a good fight afterward (Dooku also gave Yoda yet another good fight during Dark Rendezvous.)Anywho... If you really think Maul would be able to compete with Yoda, then we may as well stop this debate right here.
Ok,Maul had a decently hard time vs. Qui Gon, but the main reason for that was trying to get him alone and Qui Gonn was an amazing swordsman. Obi Wan had an advantage against Maul for a few seconds before he chopped the saber because of his rage, then lost the advanage.Maul was beating both at once for the majority of the duel.
Dooku toyed with Obi Wan because Obi Wan was inexperienced in Soresou, but when he faced Maul, he had used Ataru for a while and was probally better in TPM. Anakin was pretty equal to Dooku in AOTC, and then Dooku was pwned by Yoda, not competing with him.
They'de be in the same teir, but Maul would beat Dooku. Heres a few of my teirs:
Teir 1:Yoda, Anakin,Sidious
Teir 2:Maul,Windu,Dooku,Obi wan, Qui Gonn
Teir 3:Ventress,Luke,Kit Fisto,Grievus
Galan007
^ bashfulYou don't think Maul could have done near as well as Dooku did vs. Yoda... Do you?
And if that was all you said, I wouldn't be tempted to unleash my omnipotent wrath against you. Maul struggled with Obi-Wan when Kenobi summoned aggression against him, similar to what Skywalker did against Dooku in Revenge of the Sith; in technique and skill, Maul was far beyond Kenobi. Likewise, though Dooku was more skilled than Skywalker, he still struggled with him as per the novelization.
Originally posted by Zack SkywalkerAgain, the novelization made it clear that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were each capable of giving Maul one hell of a good fight. That is not to say that they were > Maul, though.
Ok,Maul had a decently hard time vs. Qui Gon, but the main reason for that was trying to get him alone and Qui Gonn was an amazing swordsman. Obi Wan had an advantage against Maul for a few seconds before he chopped the saber because of his rage, then lost the advanage.Maul was beating both at once for the majority of the duel.
Originally posted by Zack SkywalkerYou're suggesting that Obi-Wan's skills worsened as his training increased? Gimmie a break.
Dooku toyed with Obi Wan because Obi Wan was inexperienced in Soresou, but when he faced Maul, he had used Ataru for a while and was probally better in TPM.
Originally posted by Zack SkywalkerDooku was surprised by Anakin's power, yes, but Dooku was still superior.
Anakin was pretty equal to Dooku in AOTC, and then Dooku was pwned by Yoda, not competing with him.
Originally posted by Zack Skywalkerfacepalm-worthy.
They'de be in the same teir, but Maul would beat Dooku.
Originally posted by GideonAnd how far do you think Obi-Wan's little outburst would have gotten him with Dooku? Not very far, imo. Obi-Wan is no Skywalker.
Maul struggled with Obi-Wan when Kenobi summoned aggression against him, similar to what Skywalker did against Dooku in Revenge of the Sith; in technique and skill, Maul was far beyond Kenobi.
Originally posted by GideonAnakin did give Dooku a good fight (mainly when he had dual blades) -- like I said above, that kind of power from a Padawan isn't something the Count expected. However, Dooku was still the definitive superior in the end, and the fact that he went on to combat Yoda quite well, despite the energy he spent owning Obi/Anakin, is pretty impressive.
Likewise, though Dooku was more skilled than Skywalker, he still struggled with him as per the novelization.
Obi Wan's skills might have gotten worse because he switched forms, and hadn't gotten too good at his form yet. Anakin and Dooku were decently even in AOTC, but Dooku did some wierd move to make Anakin stop in the movie. And in TPM the movie, Maul seemed dominatant in the duel. In the Movies, Maul>Dooku. I never read the novels, so I don't know what they say.And one last thing, Anakin was supereor to Dooku in ROTS
Originally posted by Zack SkywalkerEven from a movie-standpoint, I'm still not quite sure how you came to this conclusion..?
In the Movies, Maul>Dooku. I never read the novels, so I don't know what they say.And one last thing, Anakin was supereor to Dooku in ROTS
Regardless, there's obviously no changing your mind, so I bid thee good day. 🙂
