Originally posted by nicamarvinTo rile him up.
Why..... 🙁
Originally posted by lightyeargeeYou mean debater. If you feel he doesn't debate I guess you must not read his posts because he just put about 7 posts up with evidence to suggest why he feels a certain way.
I've never really engaged dude. He doesn't really seem like a debator. More like a this is it and what he feels and take it or leave it. I don't qant to waste my time debating a non debator.
Originally posted by quanchi112The post didn't really address certain key points. Like different users of the IG. Or the nuliffication phere, speed, and effect. IE erasing past and future or just nullifying them from reality. Just my own observations.
To rile him up. You mean debater. If you feel he doesn't debate I guess you must not read his posts because he just put about 7 posts up with evidence to suggest why he feels a certain way.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeHis post did address his opinion on the matter with on panel evidence why he feels a certain way.
The post didn't really address certain key points. Like different users of the IG. Or the nuliffication phere, speed, and effect. IE erasing past and future or just nullifying them from reality. Just my own observations.
Thanos with the ig is arguably the most competent with the gems.
Originally posted by quanchi112Yes they were killed
Except they weren't dead you just can't comprehend what you read.
Originally posted by quanchi112But on what issue?I'm still confused as many debates are going on in this thread.
It proves odg is wrong and has always been wrong. It remade the universe itself and undid his past actions.
Originally posted by Black bolt zThere's no proof they were.
Yes they were killed But on what issue?I'm still confused as many debates are going on in this thread.
The un nullification it only nullified the universe and undid Abraxas' actions so all this time odg was wrong about a multiverse getting wiped out. His comprehension was always biased imo.
Originally posted by quanchi112Yes there is.You can see bit and pieces of them flying everywhere.So answer this.Why would LT have to undo damage if they didn't die?
There's no proof they were.The un nullification it only nullified the universe and undid Abraxas' actions so all this time odg was wrong about a multiverse getting wiped out. His comprehension was always biased imo.
It's your comprehension that is always biased.Anyone on these forums can tell you.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeYeah.IMO mr. masters is the best supplyer of info on this forums.You want it he has it.But he's not the best nor the most debator.
I've never really engaged dude. He doesn't really seem like a debator. More like a this is it and what he feels and take it or leave it. I don't qant to waste my time debating a non debator.
Originally posted by Black bolt zHe undid the damage and restored order to the meeting.
Yes there is.You can see bit and pieces of them flying everywhere.So answer this.Why would LT have to undo damage if they didn't die?It's your comprehension that is always biased.Anyone on these forums can tell you. Yeah.IMO mr. masters is the best supplyer of info on this forums.You want it he has it.But he's not the best nor the most debator.
Wrong.
616 Eternity was operated on by 616 Galactus. 616 Galactus did not perform a Multiversal surgery. 616 Eternity represents only the 616 universe. Just like the 535 Eternity represents the 535 universe. This is plain common sense. Obfuscating and reverse-projecting "multi" onto "single" or vice-versa doesn't prove otherwise.
Originally posted by Black bolt zExcept the UN proved to be capable of destroying and recreating the entire Marvel Multiverse instantly. That is not hyperbole.
It has also said that a weapon that appeared in a web of spiderman comic,one comic,is the most powerful weapon in the universe.Hyperbole.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiAnd it might very well have, by taking control of Quasar's mind or sabotaging the UN itself. You haven't proven that either of those results is any less likely then Magus waiting for Quasar to create a marble-sized sphere and then taking that and enveloping Quasar in it.
Well my friend, you said the IG ATTACKED first, which was my contention. I don't care who activated what first, what matters is, the UN fired and IG (on panel depiction and narration) turned the energies back onto quasar. That is what matters. If the IG fired first quasar would be a box of Sees candy for Magus to eat, anything less would be PIS.You have NOT ONCE showed that potency of nullification changes with size. There is not one shred of evidence that states this, in fact, all that does change with size is scope and scale NOT potency of nullification. If you feel you have any scan that describes potency changing please post it. You won't and haven't because it doesn't existed.
I've already told you that the nullification can nullify only the present physical self. The nullification can also nullify the complete past of the entity such that it never existed. Potency denotes a degree of power. And a marble-sized sphere is far less powerful on just about any level of thinking as a Multiverse-wide destroying blast. Ignoring this again reveals a certain desperation that can be summed up thusly: you think marble-sized null sphere = Multiverse-wide destroying/recreating blast. Again, this is stupid.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYes they are. The IG proved to be able to, at best, manipulate a marble-sized nullification sphere. Maelstrom proved to be completely outside the power and prescience of the IG. Another example that eviscerates your reasoning is that several CCU's completely prevented the UN from even activating. Does that mean the CCU's are more powerful than the UN? Obviously not. Together, they were only capable of creating a single shadow universe. Preventing it from activating denotes far greater manipulation than screwing around with a marble-sized sphere.
You keep acting like Maelstrom vs. Thanos is the same as Magus IG vs. Quasar Un but tha is a faulty comparison. First, Maelstrom didn't prove SUPERIOR to Thanos because he tanked one blast. Thanos fired one blast and it seemingly had no effect. Cool, but doesn't prove superiority. Now compare that to.. Quasar fired the UN.... Magus and the IG manipulate the nullification sphere and turn it back on Quasar. Those two situations are vastly different, and you're reaching trying to compare them. In order for it to be sound and comparable, Thanos would have had to fire at Maelstrom.. Maelstrom then reverses that blast and kills Thanos. Then you would have a logically sound comparison, as it is, you're just reaching.
If screwing around with a tiny manifestation of power = complete utter control over any amount/permutation of such power, then Sunspot has complete control over all the stars int he universe. Magneto has complete control over every single magnetic field in the multiverse. Doom's machines have complete control over the Omniversal Chaos Wave.
Such logic is utterly absent of common sense.
Originally posted by quanchi112He was defeated by his own power. You were wrong when you stated Quasar defeated him. Don't forget how you were wrong.
I have no double standards and he was defeated because he lost his concentration and was beaten and let's not forget he died and was brought back by Oblivion himself.He survived one blast and left. If you feel that proves he is superior then there's no hope for you. Thanos and the affects of the ig an an all out battle could defeat Maelstrom as proven later in the cosmos arc when he died.
Magus manipulated a marble-sized sphere. If you feel that proves he is superior then there's no hope for you. Reed and the affects of the un an an all out Multiverse-wde destroying/recreation blast could wipe out every Infinity Gem that ever existed as proven later in the abraxas arc when that was done.
Originally posted by quanchi112Which means the IG didn't bestow absolute omniscience. Which only correlates further that the IG didn't bestow absolute omnipotence. In any case, by your logic, the UN proved exponentially more powerful in a story later on.
Now him being confused only means he is outside his radar which doesn't make him superior since far less defeated him twice in the story later on.Maelstrom thought he was superior but later in the story he was anything but. You can't even understand your own bio and are neglecting how easily he was bested at the end.
You thought the ig was superior but later in another story it was anything but. You likely vomited when you saw this scan after harping on about handbooks verifying what he plainly see as illustrated on-panel. Maelstrom was superior to Thanos w/ IG... and it was verified:
By your standards which you laid for yourself, you'll just have to get over it or drop the double-standards. Good luck with that. And even if you can't, your entire basis for your argument still hinges on characterizing a marble-sized nullification sphere as being indistinguishable from a Multiverse-wide destruction/recreation blast. That's just 15 lbs. of stupid in a 10 lb. bag.
Originally posted by Black bolt zHe undid his past actions and restored everything as it was. It was a showing of power to demonstrate Lt is in charge.
Why was order need to be restored if he didn't do anything to them?According to you he would have just knocked them on their asses and thus wouldn't need anything to be restored.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Quasar caused him to doubt himsel fwhich defeated him had Quasar not said what he said Maelstrom wouldn't have had his poop pushed in the way it was.
He was defeated by his own power. You were wrong when you stated Quasar defeated him. Don't forget how you were wrong.Magus manipulated a marble-sized sphere. If you feel that proves he is superior then there's no hope for you. Reed and the affects of the un an an all out Multiverse-wde destroying/recreation blast could wipe out every Infinity Gem that ever existed as proven later in the abraxas arc when that was done. Which means the IG didn't bestow absolute omniscience. Which only correlates further that the IG didn't bestow absolute omnipotence. In any case, by your logic, the UN proved exponentially more powerful in a story later on.
You thought the ig was superior but later in another story it was anything but. You likely vomited when you saw this scan after harping on about handbooks verifying what he plainly see as illustrated on-panel. Maelstrom was superior to Thanos w/ IG... and it was verified:
By your standards which you laid for yourself, you'll just have to get over it or drop the double-standards. Good luck with that. And even if you can't, your entire basis for your argument still hinges on characterizing a marble-sized nullification sphere as being indistinguishable from a Multiverse-wide destruction/recreation blast. That's just 15 lbs. of stupid in a 10 lb. bag.
It never ever destroyed the multiverse it destroyed the universe.
All stated and backed up here through a bio by Mr. M who was correct in determing it erased the past actions of Abraxas. Oh feel the burn like usual you are dead wrong and have been wrong for a lonnnnnnng time. See reasonable posters like myself and mr. m change our minds because we admit hey maybe I was wrong about this but you stuck to your guns even till the bitter end when it flat out states you were always wrong.
Originally posted by Mr Master
-------------+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---------------------The official 2006 bio of the Ultimate Nullifier clarifies (as I've supported)
that the it is indeed the sphere of nullification where the power of the UN lies.It can destroy or a Universe ...
It also tells us that it nullifies Abstracts, beings like Eternity ...
(exactly ... if you just nullify the Eternity M-body figure in front of you, you nullify the Universe and/or)No need for some cosmic sized sphere. Eternity usually appears at about 30 to 50 ft.
Death at 5 feet or so.
Both at that size have been nullified and so the Concept they present as well across Reality.
Thanos with the UN, erases the 5 foot frame of 9777 Mistress Death,
and Concept of Death from that entire Universe is erased.................................................................................................................
The very same 2006 Ultimate Nullifier bio also explains the Abraxas arc scenario and what Reed did.
I actually came later to agree with this, and noticed I may have been wrong in prior debates with others.
The UN bio states that Reed shot Abraxas, and THIS is what restored the Universe,
because it nullified Abraxas' actions, and his actions were that he was collapsing the Multiverse.In Reed's hands, the UN didn't re-create the Multiverse.
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Blast Abraxas with the UN:
Eternity/Infinity restore themselves to their previous state:
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Abraxas' 2006 bio states that "Reed nullified the Universe itself,
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but then [b]the Universe RESTORED ITSELF to its previous normalityIn Reed's hands, the UN didn't re-create the Multiverse.
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Eternity's 2006 bio doesn't mention the universe
but credits Galactus with Abraxas' defeat & Roma with the set-up: (I guess since he retrieved the UN)In Reed's hands, the UN didn't re-create the Multiverse. [/B]
The un never demonstrated superior power it undid Abraxas' past actions and can only take out a universe at best.
Maelstrom was incorrect and even at his most powerful was only equal to Infinity whereas Thanos showed he's more than any abstract.
Originally posted by quanchi112And Maelstrom was still defeated by his own power. Not by Quasar. Good job quanuevering around being wrong.
Quasar caused him to doubt himsel fwhich defeated him had Quasar not said what he said Maelstrom wouldn't have had his poop pushed in the way it was.
Originally posted by quanchi112Yes, the UN destroyed and recreated the Marvel Multiverse. The IG is the one that only took over a universe.
It never ever destroyed the multiverse it destroyed the universe.All stated and backed up here through a bio by Mr. M who was correct in determing it erased the past actions of Abraxas. Oh feel the burn like usual you are dead wrong and have been wrong for a lonnnnnnng time. See reasonable posters like myself and mr. m change our minds because we admit hey maybe I was wrong about this but you stuck to your guns even till the bitter end when it flat out states you were always wrong.
Reasonable posters don't change their minds three times on the same exact argument. Only idiots who hate being cornered with unassailable logic and wish to revert simply to feign as if the burden of evidence were shifted. The only burden you're placing is the one on yourself to explain why you're so absent-mindedly fickle. Don't place yourselves among the reasonable posters; that isn't the type of company you keep. Maelstrom is superior to Thanos w/ IG in those bios, so what do you say? You won't admit it, you'll even go so far as to mangle simple English and act like the bio implies something wholly opposite. Not only is that wholly unreasonable, but your attempts to selectively choose when you'll rely on bios and when you won't completely tear your credibility apart.
Originally posted by quanchi112Ha. I already showed you several pieces of evidence on-panel that proved the UN didn't nullify Abraxas' past actions. The most obvious piece of evidence being that Reed, Johnny, Ben, Namorita, Watcher and Franklin all remembered Abraxas' actions. You can't remember something that never happened. Even you can't possibly be so ignorant as to argue that you can remember something that never happened. Your reversion to desperately attempting to undermine the UN's exponentially greater feat through simple idiocy has already been established as faulty, and again reveals how hollow your quanchilogic really is.
The un never demonstrated superior power it undid Abraxas' past actions and can only take out a universe at best.Maelstrom was incorrect and even at his most powerful was only equal to Infinity whereas Thanos showed he's more than any abstract.
Maelstrom proved he was immune to the IG's power and prescience on-panel plainly. By your misplaced reliance on bios, this superiority to the IG's power was only confirmed. How do you like dem apples? Your own quanchilogic. Accept the truth: your own mistaken standards you'll apply against the UN render your other positions on the IG wrong. You've contradicted yourself. Don't act like you have a leg to stand on. Because one of your legs just kicked out the other leg and you've fallen flat on your face. Get some ice to ease the swelling down, though it won't help with all the ugly.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Wrong he was defeated because of Quasar's actions he wouldn't have lost if Quasar hadn't opposed him.
And Maelstrom was still defeated by his own power. Not by Quasar. Good job quanuevering around being wrong. Yes, the UN destroyed and recreated the Marvel Multiverse. The IG is the one that only took over a universe.Reasonable posters don't change their minds three times on the same exact argument. Only idiots who hate being cornered with unassailable logic and wish to revert simply to feign as if the burden of evidence were shifted. The only burden you're placing is the one on yourself to explain why you're so absent-mindedly fickle. Don't place yourselves among the reasonable posters; that isn't the type of company you keep. Maelstrom is superior to Thanos w/ IG in those bios, so what do you say? You won't admit it, you'll even go so far as to mangle simple English and act like the bio implies something wholly opposite. Not only is that wholly unreasonable, but your attempts to selectively choose when you'll rely on bios and when you won't completely tear your credibility apart. Ha. I already showed you several pieces of evidence on-panel that proved the UN didn't nullify Abraxas' past actions. The most obvious piece of evidence being that Reed, Johnny, Ben, Namorita, Watcher and Franklin all remembered Abraxas' actions. You can't remember something that never happened. Even you can't possibly be so ignorant as to argue that you can remember something that never happened. Your reversion to desperately attempting to undermine the UN's exponentially greater feat through simple idiocy has already been established as faulty, and again reveals how hollow your quanchilogic really is.
Maelstrom proved he was immune to the IG's power and prescience on-panel plainly. By your misplaced reliance on bios, this superiority to the IG's power was only confirmed. How do you like dem apples? Your own quanchilogic. Accept the truth: your own mistaken standards you'll apply against the UN render your other positions on the IG wrong. You've contradicted yourself. Don't act like you have a leg to stand on. Because one of your legs just kicked out the other leg and you've fallen flat on your face. Get some ice to ease the swelling down, though it won't help with all the ugly.
Wrong we have multiple bios which correctly state this and you have zero evidence to suggest it destroyed the multiverse.
No, reasonable people change their minds unlike you when it's even stated in black and white you still deny it because honestly you don't care about anything other than being right.
We actually see on panel Maelstrom lose to far less, become more powerful than when he darts around talking trash to various beings, and the whole time he was far less than the ig. He's not superior to the ig nor was he portrayed that way during the arc.
Bio clearly states you are wrong. Deal with it. He un can only destroy a universe and in the arc you claimed it destroyed a multiverse you were wrong and the bio proves it.
Tanking one blast and leaving and getting killed twice by far less than the ig doesn't prove the ig can't hurt you.
Ig>>far superior than the un which only took away Abraxas' past actions.
