Originally posted by D_Dude1210Orion and Firestorm are as powerful a herald as you can get and they were bugs to Darksied. He didn't even fight them He simply dismissed them with his hand. Agog treated herald lvlers like children and he was one shotted by DS. DS shook off the combined might of the LSH which included Superboy, and Live wire with element lads powers. You know the guy who created an entire galaxy. DS killed Wonder Woman with one Back Hand. He beat Infinity man with nothing but finder beams. He treated Jimmy Olsen with all the New Gods powers to an ass kicking. He is so far beyond Herald or trans it's not funny.And his most recent appearances, were the Firestoem one and countdown ones. Not to forget he shook off Black Mary's attacks as if they were nothing. He one shotted The high trans levled angel supergirl.
I know it is out-of-topic, but what I don't understand is how people can possibly draw a parallel between Thanos' and DS's power levels. Thanos has never in his history lost to a herald leveler. He's wrecked teams and completely and utterly crushed high levelers like they were 90 lb weaklings. Then here's DS, who's actually lost to high heralds and even when he did win, didn't do nearly as crushing and as total a win as Thanos did.I really can't get how ppl can even see as DS being equal to Thanos, much less being superior...
Originally posted by Black bolt zSuperman's not always written well either. Saying he wasn't written well is a cop out and always has been. if it's one instance I can say ok but there's been far too many instances to say oh he wasn't written well. Who I am kidding you didn't look at any of them and are just arguing based on other opinions on here.
Tracer beams.Look at the scans omega posted.Also DS has gotten wins against supes b4.DS just isn't done justice and isn't always written well.Yes you do.Give and actual fight example besides he tears him in half,or he resisted MM so he can resist OE.You cling to that one feat when thats the only feat that even put him anywhere near MM's level.His best feat and one of MM's low feats.
Darkseid is more formidable then void.Your opinion is void mine is DS.But you are also biased and everyone here knows it.Once again you cling to that one feat.Actually give an example.Like a battle sceniaro and not "void tears him in half" because I know being the phail that you are thats what you would do.
I never said I don't read DC.I said i'm not a big DC reader.Big difference.I also never said I don't know anything of void.I know enough of both to know that DS>Void.I could point out sooooo many times when your posts were so funny and so phail at the same time.Don't insult others when you have way more flaws then they.
Why would I need to give more examples than those? He tanked molecular manipulation from MM. He was destroyed and came back. Darkseid's omega beams failed against DD to even garner a kill. So in closing the beams can't beat him by any means or any way you look at it.
Void can only lose when he wants to and the mindrape thing needs to occur only if you can survive his attacks which Darkseid cannot. Darkseid actually gave up to just Superman's fists because his face was beaten in that badly.
No, you really don't know anything and have even claimed as much. You said all the recent Void stuff you hadn't read yet here you are saying Seid beats him without one legit reason to make me believe otherwise.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
Orion and Firestorm are as powerful a herald as you can get and they were bugs to Darksied. He didn't even fight them He simply dismissed them with his hand. Agog treated herald lvlers like children and he was one shotted by DS. DS shook off the combined might of the LSH which included Superboy, and Live wire with element lads powers. You know the guy who created an entire galaxy. DS killed Wonder Woman with one Back Hand. He beat Infinity man with nothing but finder beams. He treated Jimmy Olsen with all the New Gods powers to an ass kicking. He is so far beyond Herald or trans it's not funny.And his most recent appearances, were the Firestoem one and countdown ones. Not to forget he shook off Black Mary's attacks as if they were nothing. He one shotted The high trans levled angel supergirl.
I admit I'm not as adept at DS's showings as some are. But of the showings I HAVE read about, I've noticed that you took them wayyy out of context/proportion and exaggerated to make them seem more. The Infinity Man feat was BFR (I never consider BFR as a decisive win, more like a technical win, hardly the "dismissing" instance you allude to), Orion and Firestorm are NOT as powerful a herald as you can get. While Orion might be at high-herald lvl, Firestorm is mid-herald. Btw, you must know that Orion has has held his own against DS as well. Also, Ppl get one-shotted all the time, PIS/low showings should not be included as standard/average showings. I'll have quan go thru your list of feats, I'm not as adept at scrutinizing DS's feats as he is.
I'd like to believe your list of feats, but they drip of bias/ignoring of context/exaggeration.
I'm always respectful of ppl's opinions, tho. And I see Void/DS as a good fight (unlike some ppl who allude to a stomp on one side or the other). One has a strong, fast, accurate one-shot power, the other has immense, unmatched durability.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210It is off topic. Take it to a Thanos/DS thread.
I know it is out-of-topic, but what I don't understand is how people can possibly draw a parallel between Thanos' and DS's power levels. Thanos has never in his history lost to a herald leveler. He's wrecked teams and completely and utterly crushed high levelers like they were 90 lb weaklings. Then here's DS, who's actually lost to high heralds and even when he did win, didn't do nearly as crushing and as total a win as Thanos did.I really can't get how ppl can even see as DS being equal to Thanos, much less being superior...
Thanos got pwnd hard by WM Thor. He had to exit the fight and get a weapon. Surfer has given a non-amped Thanos fits. As well as Adam Warlock and Magus. Thor, Surfer, Warlock and Magus were all voted to the same tier as Superman.
Marvel fans like to show DS losing a physical confrontation to Superman as DS being lower in power. It doesn't seem to occur to some people that maybe Supes is just that powerful physically.
Anyway, the topic is Darkseid vs Void/Sentry. Let's all get back to the thread topic.
DS vs Thanos can be discussed here.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=463033
Originally posted by Badabing
It is off topic. Take it to a Thanos/DS thread.Thanos got pwnd hard by WM Thor. He had to exit the fight and get a weapon. Surfer has given a non-amped Thanos fits. As well as Adam Warlock and Magus. Thor, Surfer, Warlock and Magus were all voted to the same tier as Superman.
Marvel fans like to show DS losing a physical confrontation to Superman as DS being lower in power. It doesn't seem to occur to some people that maybe Supes is just that powerful physically.
Anyway, the topic is Darkseid vs Void/Sentry. Let's all get back to the thread topic.
DS vs Thanos can be discussed here.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=463033
Of topic edit.
Back to Void/Sentry vs DS... 🙂
DS can win thru BFR. But if he decides to use his OE as a disintegration beam, then Void pummels him to death. 😄
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Well, you can consider yourself warned for posting off topic after I asked that it stop. As for your off topic post...
Off topic edit.Back to Void/Sentry vs DS... 🙂
DS can win thru BFR. But if he decides to use his OE as a disintegration beam, then Void pummels him to death. 😄
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't see how Superman beating Darkseid is a low showing when it's clear that physically, Superman is arguably the strongest High Herald class character out there.
Originally posted by King KandyConsidering the power the LSH had and how ineffective they were against DS, we can chalk it ip to PIS or CIS. Unless people think Superman can beat the LSH.
He's still a high herald... if DS is a skyfather level character, that stuff shouldn't be happening at all. He should be above that kind of physical beating.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't see how Superman beating Darkseid is a low showing when it's clear that physically, Superman is arguably the strongest High Herald class character out there.
Uh, that's not clear at all.... And anyways, Void/Sentry wins as Darkseid's OE has clearly been toned down lately.
Originally posted by King Kandy
He's still a high herald... if DS is a skyfather level character, that stuff shouldn't be happening at all. He should be above that kind of physical beating.
There's no such thing as strictly defined "tiers" in comics. Characters like Superman clearly are allowed to blur such definitions. If DS is written losing a fist to fist fight that doesn't address what powers he has or what power level he's on,especially if he's not... using his powers.
If Odin lost a strict brawl, would that demonstrate his power levels? DS is a guy who has depowered skyfather beings and created team wreckers with a thought.
This is a being who has been described as a multiversal entity governing the concept of evil, whose eons long battle with New Genesis has produced multiple realities worth of triumphs and losses for the fate of a multiverse.
More importantly when writers depict the OE as some kind of disintergration beam, they're clearly missing the point of the OE, which erases beings from reality - disintergration has nothing to do with erasure from reality.
So unless Void/Sentry can resist being erased from reality he's a gonna against this man. And if he somehow resists the Omega Effect (not the energy beams) then he has to come to terms with the Omega Sanction, and given Sentry's mental/emotional instability the OS will destroy his soul and make him a complete slave to DS will.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
Considering the power the LSH had and how ineffective they were against DS, we can chalk it ip to PIS or CIS. Unless people think Superman can beat the LSH.
Common sense, the comics are primarily a story telling device, power levels and tiers are just a byproduct of that story, one we sought out by average not a handful of brawls with Supes (a character he has gotten the better of as well to be fair).
Basically a lot of writers will sacrifice DS full arsenal for the sake of the plot and continuity, having DS erasing people from reality issue to issue would break continuity. He has no such limits on KMC. In one New God story DS even inexplicably resurrects Orion with the Omega Force after killing him.
Originally posted by brownqkOn top of that Sentry has resisted MM's best attempts at killing him so there's really no way he can beat the Sentry based on this. I don't think Darkseid is anywhere near durable enough to tank more than a few attacks from the Void. If the Void destroys him via MM it's over quickly or if he uses the rip Loki in half technique.
Uh, that's not clear at all.... And anyways, Void/Sentry wins as Darkseid's OE has clearly been toned down lately.
The guy also held Thor off with tentacles while he destroyed all of asgard.