Originally posted by Gecko4lif
1. Becuase they are controlled by his midn
2. He is immune to omega energy because of the infinity well
1. You the expert of tracer beam science, eh?
Ppl sometimes punch their own faces by accident.
Something to think about.
2. Scans of this "infinity well" pls. On panel feats dispute this. :-/
Originally posted by Omega Vision
They were called Finder Beams for a reason.They found the target, and then triggered the actual Omega Effect.
You assume that "finder beams" work the way you want them to work in order to explain an on-panel occurrence that you don't agree with.
Your normal assumption is that DS thinks of a target and the finder beam unerringly seeks that target (like it has a will of it's own) and will auto-dodge any target that happens to come by. And in the rare eventuality that it DOES miss, then it does not trigger the OE and does nothing.
Things don't always work as we hope them to, you know. There are always other possibilities:
"Finder beams" could just be energy beams that seek out a target that DS visualizes in his mind, avoids obstacles and triggers the OE on contact.
OR he could just guide the damn thing with his mind and it triggers on impact. /shrug.
Who knows? I'm not an expert on finder-beam science.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeIt's clear you didn't understand all that took place in FC because you keep on saying... he crushed the multiverse with his fist.... Read this and understand this...
I'd wrecken it would depend on what Body DS inhabits. It seems that his physical power is wholly dependent upon what body he has. But his abstractual power is very great. In Seven Soldiers, he created an entire world within a black hole. Before Crsis, he waved his hand and created the Validus. In Final Crsis, he crushed the multiverse with his fist.
First, the war as stated on panel caused a crack in space and time. Not DS power cracking anything but the war. Also keep in mind he only won the war because of the ALE.. again that isn't DS own powerset it's an amp of sorts. Further.. him dying is what caused the sigularity to form in the first place. He didn't just wave his hand and the sigularity appeared and it was causing havoc in the multiverse. Wrong. Him dying at the hands of Orion, which wasn't part of his plain caused this to happen not his powerset. The ALE first being broadcast also as stated on panel cracked space and time further. Again nothing to do with DS or his powerset. The reason everything was being flushed down the toilet is because by him dying there was no balance in the multiverse.. that is why all the havoc was taking place. His position was needed and now vacated. Couple that with the fact that he was falling into a place he didn't belong.. our universe. Thus more damage was being caused. So as you see these are the factors that caused the multiverse to be effected which had NOTHING to do with his powerset causing it or a wave of his hand. What he was responsible for was through sheer will power not going down without a fight. He went with the havoc already caused by the stuff mentioned and decided to muck it up even more. Cool, but it was his power that caused the multiverse to collapse. HIs main contribution was his will power, continuing to mess stuff up that was already messed up and being an needed fixture in the universe. The sooner people accept he wasn't causing multiversal damage by his own powerset the better you'll be. He cannot and has never been able to cause any destruction on this scale by his own powerset. Wanna know why… cause he can't.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYou explaination of what happens isn't at all what happend. You seem to ingore the history of the New Gods. If S"ivaa could rip the cosmos with a finger nail, just by being in true form, and Superman could repair reality with his heat vision, just by being in a 4th world state, it is totally logical that Darksied, being the most powerful New God, could rip the cosmos under his own power. The ALE does not boost anyone's power. It gives them control over free will. Everything Mr. Miracle Accomplished was under his own divine God powers. He always had them. He just chose never to use them. His starry power up is a state Orion has exhibited before with No ALE. Darksied and Orion have also powered themselves up via the starry amp look when they fought for the power of the source. Let's not forget that the Awesomely powerful Live/wire Element Lad power didn't even dent Darksied. Dude created an entire Galaxy and couldn't hurt DS. I think it is you who choose to mis read events. Final Crisis was the summation of New Gods history and if one didn't know the history of the New Gods, one would assume what you have.
It's clear you didn't understand all that took place in FC because you keep on saying... he crushed the multiverse with his fist.... Read this and understand this...First, the war as stated on panel caused a crack in space and time. Not DS power cracking anything but the war. Also keep in mind he only won the war because of the ALE.. again that isn't DS own powerset it's an amp of sorts. Further.. him dying is what caused the sigularity to form in the first place. He didn't just wave his hand and the sigularity appeared and it was causing havoc in the multiverse. Wrong. Him dying at the hands of Orion, which wasn't part of his plain caused this to happen not his powerset. The ALE first being broadcast also as stated on panel cracked space and time further. Again nothing to do with DS or his powerset. The reason everything was being flushed down the toilet is because by him dying there was no balance in the multiverse.. that is why all the havoc was taking place. His position was needed and now vacated. Couple that with the fact that he was falling into a place he didn't belong.. our universe. Thus more damage was being caused. So as you see these are the factors that caused the multiverse to be effected which had NOTHING to do with his powerset causing it or a wave of his hand. What he was responsible for was through sheer will power not going down without a fight. He went with the havoc already caused by the stuff mentioned and decided to muck it up even more. Cool, but it was his power that caused the multiverse to collapse. HIs main contribution was his will power, continuing to mess stuff up that was already messed up and being an needed fixture in the universe. The sooner people accept he wasn't causing multiversal damage by his own powerset the better you'll be. He cannot and has never been able to cause any destruction on this scale by his own powerset. Wanna know why… cause he can't.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
You explaination of what happens isn't at all what happend. You seem to ingore the history of the New Gods. If S"ivaa could rip the cosmos with a finger nail, just by being in true form, and Superman could repair reality with his heat vision, just by being in a 4th world state, it is totally logical that Darksied, being the most powerful New God, could rip the cosmos under his own power. The ALE does not boost anyone's power. It gives them control over free will. Everything Mr. Miracle Accomplished was under his own divine God powers. He always had them. He just chose never to use them. His starry power up is a state Orion has exhibited before with No ALE. Darksied and Orion have also powered themselves up via the starry amp look when they fought for the power of the source. Let's not forget that the Awesomely powerful Live/wire Element Lad power didn't even dent Darksied. Dude created an entire Galaxy and couldn't hurt DS. I think it is you who choose to mis read events. Final Crisis was the summation of New Gods history and if one didn't know the history of the New Gods, one would assume what you have.
No it isn't logical to assume he could rip the cosmos in half because guess what he NEVER HAS. Are you really this dense though? If he could do so without having to die and without having to have all these things happen in order for the events in FC to take why wouldn't he? Answer that logical query for me. The fact is, he couldn't have done what he did without these things I mentioned taking place. Things I might add that are out of his control and not part of his plan in the least. What I stated were facts and were not DS doing. You say the ALE isn't an amp.. bs it's an amp. Others have used it besides DS as you admit. It's not within his normal powerset he was born with. He got it just as others have gotten it. As I said you can't get around these facts that make it crystal clear he doesn't have multiversal power and didn't exhibit said power in FC..
1. The war cracked time and space which allowed events to unfold the way they did.. fall.. etc etc
2. The ALE further cracked time and space again.. not DS
3. DS had the ALE.. and amp that allowed him to control earth's mind and allowed him to win the war. Again not under his own powerset
4. He had to be killed in order for the singularity to form and order for the fall to a place he didn't belong to occur. Not part of his plan nor something he couldn't done without being killed. Kinda sucks to have to be killed to even come remotely close to conquering earth lol
5. His fall into a place he didn't belong was what was messing up the multiverse... not DS power or the waving of a hand. The fact that he didn't belong in a prime DC universe and thus that messes up everything else was the cause. Not DS or a wave of his hand.
You can't get around these facts which allowed the events of FC to even take place. These things were DS doing nor under his own power. He wasn't messing up the multiverse under his own power. It was being messed up because if you mess with the prime DC universe, just like when you mess with the prime 616 universe, all gets messed up. Stop claiming DS was destroying the multiverse under his own powerset. If it was that easy... he would've done so by now and not have to die and have all these things laid out very nicely in order to do so. You see, that was the writers making it clear... these things had to happen in order for DS to do a thing. I didn't think basic reading comprehension and logic were lost so easily.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiDo not insult me. I might think you are dense enough to not realize he could never take over before or rip the cosmos because one, that isn't his goal, he wants to rule reality, not destroy it, and two high father and the gaurdians would prevent him from doing so. The rest of your argument was not even read as you opened up with an insult and didn't even know the character you are arguing against. You dont' know his methods and it's obvious you do not know his history or his enemies that kept him in check.
No it isn't logical to assume he could rip the cosmos in half because guess what he NEVER HAS. Are you really this dense though? If he could do so without having to die and without having to have all these things happen in order for the events in FC to take why wouldn't he? Answer that logical query for me. The fact is, he couldn't have done what he did without these things I mentioned taking place. Things I might add that are out of his control and not part of his plan in the least. What I stated were facts and were not DS doing. You say the ALE isn't an amp.. bs it's an amp. Others have used it besides DS as you admit. It's not within his normal powerset he was born with. He got it just as others have gotten it. As I said you can't get around these facts that make it crystal clear he doesn't have multiversal power and didn't exhibit said power in FC..1. The war cracked time and space which allowed events to unfold the way they did.. fall.. etc etc
2. The ALE further cracked time and space again.. not DS
3. DS had the ALE.. and amp that allowed him to control earth's mind and allowed him to win the war. Again not under his own powerset
4. He had to be killed in order for the singularity to form and order for the fall to a place he didn't belong to occur. Not part of his plan nor something he couldn't done without being killed. Kinda sucks to have to be killed to even come remotely close to conquering earth lol
5. His fall into a place he didn't belong was what was messing up the multiverse... not DS power or the waving of a hand. The fact that he didn't belong in a prime DC universe and thus that messes up everything else was the cause. Not DS or a wave of his hand.
You can't get around these facts which allowed the events of FC to even take place. These things were DS doing nor under his own power. He wasn't messing up the multiverse under his own power. It was being messed up because if you mess with the prime DC universe, just like when you mess with the prime 616 universe, all gets messed up. Stop claiming DS was destroying the multiverse under his own powerset. If it was that easy... he would've done so by now and not have to die and have all these things laid out very nicely in order to do so. You see, that was the writers making it clear... these things had to happen in order for DS to do a thing. I didn't think basic reading comprehension and logic were lost so easily.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
Do not insult me. I might think you are dense enough to not realize he could never take over before or rip the cosmos because one, that isn't his goal, he wants to rule reality, not destroy it, and two high father and the gaurdians would prevent him from doing so. The rest of your argument was not even read as you opened up with an insult and didn't even know the character you are arguing against. You dont' know his methods and it's obvious you do not know his history or his enemies that kept him in check.
In case you missed you it… you insulted me with your response saying I don't know what I'm talking about and don't know the characters history. You said this multiple times.. yet get upset if I say you might be lacking basic reading comprehension and logic? Cute. The point you can't ever get around and which destroys your whole argument is that the fall (not his plan or power) into a place he didn't belong is what caused the multiverse to be flushed down the toilet. Not him or a wave of his hand but him falling (space and time having to be cracked.. also not his power doing it) to a place he didn't belong caused the multiversal effects. Period, end of story.
Originally posted by quanchi112Tracer beams.Look at the scans omega posted.Also DS has gotten wins against supes b4.DS just isn't done justice and isn't always written well.
How would he? We've seen Superman's speed more than able to dodge the oe long enough to send it right back at Seid.I don't have to we saw him beat the MM. We also saw him take on the avengers, thor, and an amped Loki who also amped the heroes. This all took place after he destroyed asgard and ripped ares in half.
The guy's a beast whereas Darkseid is nowhere near as formidable as the Void. Darkseid can be physically broken whereas the Void cannot. The oe can't beat him if MM's powers cannot and to make matters worse the omega beams failed against DD.
I love it you admit I don't read dc and am not up on the Void but i know Darkseid wins. That is one of the funniest things I have ever read. I guess you just have a gut feeling and showings who needs em.
Yes you do.Give and actual fight example besides he tears him in half,or he resisted MM so he can resist OE.You cling to that one feat when thats the only feat that even put him anywhere near MM's level.His best feat and one of MM's low feats.
Darkseid is more formidable then void.Your opinion is void mine is DS.But you are also biased and everyone here knows it.Once again you cling to that one feat.Actually give an example.Like a battle sceniaro and not "void tears him in half" because I know being the phail that you are thats what you would do.
I never said I don't read DC.I said i'm not a big DC reader.Big difference.I also never said I don't know anything of void.I know enough of both to know that DS>Void.I could point out sooooo many times when your posts were so funny and so phail at the same time.Don't insult others when you have way more flaws then they.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI said his power is what was crushing the multiverse like a fist. Which was stated in FC that a fist like shape was around the multiverse. Where you get that I said his fall collapsed the Multiverse is as good a guess as mine. Cuz I hadn't addressed that yet.
In case you missed you it… you insulted me with your response saying I don't know what I'm talking about and don't know the characters history. You said this multiple times.. yet get upset if I say you might be lacking basic reading comprehension and logic? Cute. The point you can't ever get around and which destroys your whole argument is that the fall (not his plan or power) into a place he didn't belong is what caused the multiverse to be flushed down the toilet. Not him or a wave of his hand but him falling (space and time having to be cracked.. also not his power doing it) to a place he didn't belong caused the multiversal effects. Period, end of story.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
I said his power is what was crushing the multiverse like a fist. Which was stated in FC that a fist like shape was around the multiverse. Where you get that I said his fall collapsed the Multiverse is as good a guess as mine. Cuz I hadn't addressed that yet.
You took that sentence literally… you literally believe DS hand is as big as the multiverse :face palm: It's called a metaphor not a statement to be taken literally. Furthermore, you still don’t get it… what was messing up the multiverse and "being flushed down the toilet" was his prescence in a universe he didn't belong. Plain and simple and stated on panel. Quick questions so I can honestly see if you're being honest.
1. You agree that if you mess with the PRIME DC Universe you can mess up the multiverse right?
2. You agree that him falling into a place he didn't belong (PRIME DC UNIVERSE) is what was causing the complete mess of the multiverse?
3. He had to die in order for any of this to be possible?
4. Space and time had to be cracked in order for any of this to be possible and DS also didn't do that?
Please answer these questions so I can see how honest you are truly being.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI didn't take his fist to be literally that big but it could have been seeing as how big they are. I took it to mean he was using his vast power to crush the multiverse. Everything else you are talking about I haven't addressed.
You took that sentence literally… you literally believe DS hand is as big as the multiverse :face palm: It's called a metaphor not a statement to be taken literally. Furthermore, you still don’t get it… what was messing up the multiverse and "being flushed down the toilet" was his prescence in a universe he didn't belong. Plain and simple and stated on panel. Quick questions so I can honestly see if you're being honest.1. You agree that if you mess with the PRIME DC Universe you can mess up the multiverse right?
2. You agree that him falling into a place he didn't belong (PRIME DC UNIVERSE) is what was causing the complete mess of the multiverse?
3. He had to die in order for any of this to be possible?
4. Space and time had to be cracked in order for any of this to be possible and DS also didn't do that?Please answer these questions so I can see how honest you are truly being.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
I didn't take his fist to be literally that big but it could have been seeing as how big they are. I took it to mean he was using his vast power to crush the multiverse. Everything else you are talking about I haven't addressed.
Here is an idea... how about you address that points that clearly contradict your premise and conclusion.
I know it is out-of-topic, but what I don't understand is how people can possibly draw a parallel between Thanos' and DS's power levels. Thanos has never in his history lost to a herald leveler. He's wrecked teams and completely and utterly crushed high levelers like they were 90 lb weaklings. Then here's DS, who's actually lost to high heralds and even when he did win, didn't do nearly as crushing and as total a win as Thanos did.
I really can't get how ppl can even see as DS being equal to Thanos, much less being superior...
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I know it is out-of-topic, but what I don't understand is how people can possibly draw a parallel between Thanos' and DS's power levels. Thanos has never in his history lost to a herald leveler.
Your right he lost to a street leveler
And Drax
And I heard a raccon or something