Originally posted by jinzinPretty sure the whole argument was every Wolverine proponent assuming Thor would try to pull a WWH brainbashing -- because apparently he'd fight exactly like WWH who has a nigh-instantaneous healing factor -- instead of fighting him like he (Thor) would -- who recognized he didn't have a nigh-instantaneous healing factor in his actual fight with Wolverine -- and maybe grabbing him and tossing him for a BFR... like when he managed to grab onto Wolverine's ankle without getting his arm sliced off on-panel. So... context FTW?
Pretty sure the whole argument to a loss of limbs stemmed from the train of thought where Thor effortlessly grabs Wolverine and pulls a WWH on him. So... context FTW?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0thor can't get a clean grab of logan without some PIS
Pretty sure the whole argument was every Wolverine proponent assuming Thor would try to pull a WWH brainbashing -- because apparently he'd fight exactly like WWH who has a nigh-instantaneous healing factor -- instead of fighting him like he (Thor) would -- who recognized he didn't have a nigh-instantaneous healing factor in his actual fight with Wolverine -- and maybe grabbing him and tossing him for a BFR... like when he managed to grab onto Wolverine's ankle without getting his arm sliced off on-panel. So... context FTW?
^ Right. Daken with his bone claws is gonna mess Thor up something fierce... when Wolverine's adamantium claws were just about only scratching Thor. Right.
Originally posted by Starscream Mbelch
thor can't get a clean grab of logan without some PIS
Great. Not only is Wolverine getting his brain shot by bullets on-panel, actually PIS and never happened and can never happen... but now apparently, Thor grabbing Wolverine and tossing him in their fight on-panel, is actually PIS and never happened and can never happen. Just great.
Despite how craptastic all these arguments are, at least you're all consistent with how quickly and arbitrarily ya'll dismiss ANYTHING that would undermine the position that Wolverine wins. That should count for something, amirite?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And who have the pheromones affected to suggest effecting someone like Thor? I don't see that as much of a game changer, if any. And I've yet to hear a counter for what happens when Thor's fist sends Wolverine or Daken flying for the BFR win with Class 100+ strength. Or what happens when he quakes the ground and leaves either of them under ground. It's almost as funny as Logan being as much or even more of a god than Thor is.
Ares who is a god and Skaar whose metabolism and HF is beyond bizarre were affected by it. I think he used it on other asgardians too, but I cant recall a specific moment tight now.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Gotta keep the faith. Somehow.CIS would have to be off because Thor doesn't resort to BFR in his fights very often? Is that the idea... seriously?And it strikes me now that --
Spoiler:-- all the Muramasa claws do is negate healing factors (which people keep arguing Thor has no semblance of). So how would they be game changer's in the first place?
even though Daken doesn't have the Muramasa claws anymore
The muramasa cuts things by disrupting matter in a 'sub-atomic level' or some similar shit, they describe its properties when it first appears in origins. It cut clean through a Sheeva robot in a single blow, destroying it and IIRC preventing self-repair. Plus, the blade is magical and not actually made of metal, but a plasma-like enchanted substance. I believe its cutting/penetrative properties to be above adamantium, even though some people say adamantium is more durable.
Thor doesn't usually resort to BFR when he is angry or in a brawling mood. If he notices he is getting badly cut up, he may simply resort to it to eliminate the threat, but I don't see it as a first resort in this kind of fight scenario and he can get pretty badly wounded or defeated by the time he gets arround to it.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And when did Thor one-shot a planet w/o Mjolnir anyway...?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
A donut-size planet he can one-shot, sure. Any bigger than that? Hell no.He needs to overload his HF. Even a direct hit to the head ain't gonna do that... for obvious reasons.
Originally posted by Starscream M
he can't one shot a planet you clown!
Are you ****ing joking?
do you think mjonir makes thor stronger?
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Are you ****ing joking?do you think mjonir makes thor stronger?
Well, it clearly delivers more power than he does without it, even if he doesn't charge the attacks with energy, because it's tensile strengh is greater than thor's body. I believe the Hulk has said that thor's punches don't really hurt him, but mjolnir blows do, which makes sense.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0It must be PIS I mean Thor was quick enough to stop quick silver before he could react and stop Hermes and track him. but we all now Logan is a skyfather level brawler and Thor has no change with 1000's of years of combat experience logan as the edge in fighting skills. Lets not too mention Logan that Logan never get BFR from brick Rulk, Skaar, Thor etc have never done that
^ Right. Daken with his bone claws is gonna mess Thor up something fierce... when Wolverine's adamantium claws were just about only scratching Thor. Right. belchGreat. Not only is Wolverine getting his brain shot by bullets on-panel, actually PIS and never happened and can never happen... but now apparently, Thor grabbing Wolverine and tossing him in their fight on-panel, is actually PIS and never happened and can never happen. Just great.
Despite how craptastic all these arguments are, at least you're all consistent with how quickly and arbitrarily ya'll dismiss ANYTHING that would undermine the position that Wolverine wins. That should count for something, amirite?
Originally posted by 753
Well, it clearly delivers more power than he does without it, even if he doesn't charge the attacks with energy, because it's tensile strengh is greater than thor's body. I believe the Hulk has said that thor's punches don't really hurt him, but mjolnir blows do, which makes sense.
That is obvious because it is a hammer.
It still doesnt actually make him any stronger, or weaker from not having it.
Just changes the physics a bit.
Originally posted by 753First, Thor's also resisted just as much mental manipulation as he's succumbed to it on every level you could imagine. Second, while I understand that Thor isn't throws-everything-into-the-Sun Sentry, Thor's BFRed people when angry. Third, the real argument is whether or not Thor can grab and toss them at all or punch them into orbit or pummel the ground and trap them beneath tons of rubble in the first place without dying first or being hopelessly maimed.
Thor doesn't usually resort to BFR when he is angry or in a brawling mood. If he notices he is getting badly cut up, he may simply resort to it to eliminate the threat, but I don't see it as a first resort in this kind of fight scenario and he can get pretty badly wounded or defeated by the time he gets arround to it.
And somehow, on that last notion, Thor actually managing to grab Wolverine's ankle to toss him early in their actual fight on-panel somehow never actually happened and could never happen. And somehow... bone claws do as much damage as adamantium claws.
Originally posted by the ninjakAre you implying that Thor cannot create a similar shockwave that would throw Wolverine and Daken off their feet with his fists alone???
He beat Quicksilver with the Hammer ground stomp.He has no Hammer here.