Originally posted by OneDumbG0
First, Thor's also resisted just as much mental manipulation as he's succumbed to it on every level you could imagine. Second, while I understand that Thor isn't throws-everything-into-the-Sun Sentry, Thor's BFRed people when angry. Third, the real argument is whether or not Thor can grab and toss them at all or punch them into orbit or pummel the ground and trap them beneath tons of rubble in the first place without dying first or being hopelessly maimed.And somehow, on that last notion, Thor actually managing to grab Wolverine's ankle to toss him early in their actual fight on-panel somehow never actually happened and could never happen. And somehow... bone claws do as much damage as adamantium claws. Are you implying that Thor cannot create a similar shockwave that would throw Wolverine and Daken off their feet with his fists alone???
He is capable of BFRing them and I said so in my first post. I simply don't think it's very likely to happen often enough for him to get a majority. I never said thor grabing logan and throwing him was PIS, although logan is faster, based on that showing of them, he is not fast enough to never get tagged.
Were you refering to mental manipulation because of the pheromones? I dont think it's the same deal.
People arguing for Thor did say he could and would reproduce WWH's feat against logan, so it wasnt simply an assumption from people arguing for logan.
Based on what Thor has resisted - chemicals, outside mental/psychological influences, etc. - I can't say I see him falling prey to Daken's pheromones to the point of being adversely affected, if at all. And his speed feats? More than good enough to suggest him being able to tag Logan or Daken with enough force to send them flying a great deal away from him as well as being able to evade their attacks for a while (not saying he avoids everything, which he probably won't).
And a hearty lulz at "Logan one shotting/de-limbing Thor".
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Despite Thor actually doing it to Wolverine on-panel. Right.
What? Did you actually read my post?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor's resisted chemical-based mind control too. Corruptor's. And his chemicals are far more potent than Daken's.
So claiming Daken or cannot affect him would be speculation either way as Daken has affected gods and Thor has showings of both resiting and succumbing to external manipulation.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
One person =/= people. Also, he wasn't even arguing he'd do it the same way WWH did it.
More than one poster said that and at least one said thor could just it like WWH.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Right. Daken with his bone claws is gonna mess Thor up something fierce... when Wolverine's adamantium claws were just about only scratching Thor. Right. belchGreat. Not only is Wolverine getting his brain shot by bullets on-panel, actually PIS and never happened and can never happen... but now apparently, Thor grabbing Wolverine and tossing him in their fight on-panel, is actually PIS and never happened and can never happen. Just great.
Despite how craptastic all these arguments are, at least you're all consistent with how quickly and arbitrarily ya'll dismiss ANYTHING that would undermine the position that Wolverine wins. That should count for something, amirite?
Christ. The level of your stupidity is astounding. Seriously, what is your malfunction? The Phantom Bone thing has been explained to you ad nauseum. It's PIS. What don't you understand? Wolverine has had two foot diameter tree truck stick directly through his stomach too! I guess he doesn't have a spinal cord either!!!! dur
The fight only lasted to the point that Thor was able to grab and toss Wolverine in the first place because of a general plot device. Wolverine can't kill or injure Thor in a comic so he is limited to glancing blows. He doesn't have the same limitation here, and seeing as Wolverine is a faster opponent with the reach advantage, sizable skill advantage and weaponry, the odds of Thor grabbing Wolverine without getting carved up are slim.
EDIT: Wolverine's claws where only "scratching" Thor because he only landed glancing blows. Daken's bone claws had no problem with Pluto, who is one of the most durable Olympians, and who has the add bonus of a healing factor.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Christ. The level of your stupidity is astounding. Seriously, what is your malfunction? The Phantom Bone thing has been explained to you ad nauseum. It's PIS. What don't you understand? Wolverine has had two foot diameter tree truck stick directly through his stomach too! I guess he doesn't have a spinal cord either!!!! durThe fight only lasted to the point that Thor was able to grab and toss Wolverine in the first place because of a general plot device. Wolverine can't kill or injure Thor in a comic so he is limited to glancing blows. He doesn't have the same limitation here, and seeing as Wolverine is a faster opponent with the reach advantage, sizable skill advantage and weaponry, the odds of Thor grabbing Wolverine without getting carved up are slim.
So you are really saying wolverine is too fast for thor to react to?
Really?
I just want to make sure that I have this clear.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes Wolverine is faster than Thor.Write this down:
[b]FLIGHT SPEED DOESN'T EQUAL COMBAT SPEED
[/B]
You do realize to fly ftl you have to perceive things at ftl speeds. Or else your crash into things.
you realize this right?
You realize thor has fought loads of Ftl people right?
You do of course realize this?
srankmissingnin: People aren't using flight speed to support Thor's superspeed reflexes. They are using Thor's superspeed reflexes to support Thor's superspeed reflexes. Slight distinction.
And projecting human anatomy onto a comic book character mutant with an already odd bone structure means Wolverine hasn't had his brain pierced. Right.
Also, the comics won't let Wolverine do real damage to Thor, but Thor would get easily sliced... Byby bone claws... because Thor's scratches from adamantium claws had nothing to do with his actual piercing durability. Right.
This thread is phucktarded.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
You do realize to fly ftl you have to perceive things at ftl speeds. Or else your crash into things.you realize this right?
You realize thor has fought loads of Ftl people right?
You do of course realize this?
Once again:
FLIGHT SPEED DOESN'T EQUAL COMBAT SPEED
It's a comic. There is no correlation between flight speed and combat speed. Should there be? Obviously, but there isn't. Thor's combat speed is the same as Hercules combat speed, and his flight speed is something entirely different. Thor can fly at great speeds and he can twirl his hammer at great speeds, but thats it, he can't fight at great speeds. He isn't Superman. He hasn't done it, and he can't do it.
Originally posted by srankmissingninDid you even read what I wrote you ass monkey
Once again:[b]FLIGHT SPEED DOESN'T EQUAL COMBAT SPEED
It's a comic. There is no correlation between flight speed and combat speed. Should there be? Obviously, but there isn't. Thor's combat speed is the same as Hercules combat speed, and his flight speed is something entirely different. Thor can fly at great speeds and he can twirl his hammer at great speeds, but thats it, he can't fight at great speeds. He isn't Superman. He hasn't done it, and he can't do it. [/B]
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
srankmissingnin: People aren't using flight speed to support Thor's superspeed reflexes. They are using Thor's superspeed reflexes to support Thor's superspeed reflexes. Slight distinction.
He was talking about FTL reflexes, he clearly thinks Thor's flight speed is an indicator of his combat speed, which it has never shown to be.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And projecting human anatomy onto a comic book character mutant with an already odd bone structure means Wolverine hasn't had his brain pierced. Right.
I've explained it to you a million times, stop acting like a retard and read what you've been told. You are arguing that Wolverine doesn't have a spine - you are just so damn pig headed you can't see it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Also, the comics won't let Wolverine do real damage to Thor, but Thor would get easily sliced... Byby bone claws... because Thor's scratches from adamantium claws had nothing to do with his actual piercing durability. Right.
What you don't seem to understand is that just because Wolverine didn't damage Thor (which he did but whatever), isn't an indication that he can't. The only reason he didn't damage Thor (which - again - he did) is because he never landed a direct hit. You might as well be arguing that Wolverine can injure Punisher, because the glancing blows he landed on Frank didn't kill him either. It's not that he can't, its that he didn't. Why didn't he? Because doing so would kill Thor. Was that simple enough for you? Or am I going to "Well... gee... how can Wolverine hurt Thor, when he didn't hurt Thor when the fought?" in your next post? I'd bet money that I do.
srankmissingnin: Whatever conversations you're trying to force don't change that Thor's superspeed reflex feats outstrip Wolverine's.
Nobody's talking about Wolverine's spine, or when a tree went through his torso and avoided his spine.
And you still don't find it ironic that in your haste to downplay Thor's piercing durability, you're essentially supporting Thor's ability to avoid being completely skewered/sliced because of... Thor's fighting skills and reflexes.
Comdey. Gold.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Did you even read what I wrote you ass monkey
Oh dear, you are getting all worked up now. Did you miss your after noon nap? What do you say big guy, maybe you should take a break? Ask your mom for a snack and maybe she will pop in a Spong Bob Squarepants dvd for you.
Thor's flight speed has no coloration to his combat speed. Nothing you said is of even remote relevance. Thor can fly at FTL speeds, but there has never been any indication that he can fight at these speeds. That is why we have the separate classifications of A) Flight Speed and B) Combat Speed. They are mutually exclusive properties. Thor has never demonstrated the ability to fight at comparable speeds to which he flies. The obvious notion that logically one would require FTL reflexes to navigate to those speeds is inconsequential. By that same token Storm has reflexes several times the speed of sound, she doesn't either. Don't concern yourself with logicality of the matter, just know that it is how it is. Thor's combat speed is not greater than Wolverines.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
srankmissingnin: Whatever conversations you're trying to force don't change that Thor's superspeed reflex feats outstrip Wolverine's.Nobody's talking about Wolverine's spine, or when a tree went through his torso and avoided his spine.
And you still don't find it ironic that in your haste to downplay Thor's piercing durability, you're essentially supporting Thor's ability to avoid being completely skewered/sliced because of... Thor's fighting skills and reflexes.
Comdey. Gold.
No they don't. Outside of flight speed and hammer twirling Wolverine's speed feats are superior.
No you are you just don't realize it for some reason.
Is that PIS or does Wolverine have no spine now? Because that is your argument on the Phantom Bone theory. Your argument is that Wolverine has no spine.
It has nothing to do with the speed or skill of Thor, it has to do with Wolverine needing to job to heroes without a healing factor who would die if he was able to preform at his optimal levels.
