Top 10 most technically skilled lightsaber duelists in the SW mythos

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You're not that bothered that Eminence didn't throw Luke on the list, are you?

TJ
Luke is referred to as the best lightsaber duelist in the galaxy several times in LOTF, and again in FOTJ.

Quotez?

Cite your source plz.

TJ
Unless you are saying the entire galaxy is worse with a lightsaber than say in Bane'sWindu's day... (something that would be EXTREMELY difficult to judge)

This wouldn't be that hard to argue. Lightsaber technique is similar to Force technique in that it must be taught and refined by a well-versed Master or holocron or other repository of knowledge. I realize that Luke gives you the impression in the OT that swinging a lightsaber around really fast lawl makes you a decent duelist, but that's just bad choreography.

The Empire seized the vast majority of Force sensitive training equipment and knowledge banks, which could very well mean that the new Jedi Order's collective technique is nowhere near the level of refinement during the prequel trilogy.

Originally posted by truejedi
You can't say someone who TRAINED someone with a lightsaber is as good as the student. Being able to teach doesn't put you up there.

Originally posted by Gideon

This wouldn't be that hard to argue. Lightsaber technique is similar to Force technique in that it must be taught and refined by a well-versed Master or holocron or other repository of knowledge. I realize that Luke gives you the impression in the OT that swinging a lightsaber around really fast lawl makes you a decent duelist, but that's just bad choreography.

The Empire seized the vast majority of Force sensitive training equipment and knowledge banks, which could very well mean that the new Jedi Order's collective technique is nowhere near the level of refinement during the prequel trilogy.

You just misquoted me. I said Bane's day, since Ka'sim was making everyone's lists.

Originally posted by Gideon

Quotez?

Cite your source plz.

and seriously Gideon? I thought you read that series, why are you constantly asking for quotes out of it? : - ) Geez... you make this hard to do from flat on my back, where I prefer to stay at the moment.

Spoiler:
That was for fun, ya, but the point still applies.

TJ
and seriously Gideon? I thought you read that series, why are you constantly asking for quotes out of it? : - ) Geez... you make this hard to do from flat on my back, where I prefer to stay at the moment.

cuz

Spoiler:
Your mom does great work from flat on her back, I thought it would be genetic....

😖hifty:

Jinn's more of a maybe though he has some pretty good accolades to his name. "A master duelist by any standard", "the most gifted lightsaber practitioner his instructor had trained in over four hundred years of teaching in the order", as well as being of such a class that the Anoon Bondara would think of Qui-Gon Jinn and Mace Windu when doubtful of the claims that he was the best lightsaber practitioner in the order. Though I'm sure there's someone I'm missing as I know I never used to put him on these lists, but I'm thinking he maybe just makes it.

Yoda's probably on ze list as well; "though it was true that he had slowed slightly in the years that Windu had known him, Yoda's skill with the lightsaber was still second to none on the Council" (Shadow Hunter).

truejedi
You can't say someone who TRAINED someone with a lightsaber is as good as the student. Being able to teach doesn't put you up there.

Moi
I figured it would be enough to train a high-level master of multiple forms, but that line of thought introduces a slippery-slope factor: Plagueis trained Palpatine, etc.

truejedi
Luke is referred to as the best lightsaber duelist in the galaxy several times in LOTF, and again in FOTJ. Unless you are saying the entire galaxy is worse with a lightsaber than say in Bane's day...

Moi
His gift is raw power, and he's a comparatively dominant swordsman because he has so much of it; I don't know how much of a role classical skill actually plays in his victories.

truejedi
That said, seeking the most skilled lightsaber duelists WITHOUT the force which makes the whole thread P O I N T L E S S since no one should CARE what they are like without the force.

Invincible: Pg. 132: "Luke was the one swordsman in the galaxy whom Caedus did not dare fight one-armed. "

Insinuation that he would fight any other swordsman in the galaxy.

(side note: What do you think was happening with Luke in that passage? It was never explained. Was luke projecting his face onto Jaina? Or was he a solid projection like Alema always did? I was never sure. Neither was Caedus.)

get you more as I find them.

ya,

But that is not indicative of Luke's technical skill, necessarily. As E points out, Luke's raw power is pretty much unrivaled, yes?

I always took that to mean his general level of ability with a lightsaber rather than strictly his technical ability, as it's basically saying that his skill was second to none despite having slowed down slightly over the years, which wouldn't really affect his technical ability.

Gideon
ya,

But that is not indicative of Luke's technical skill, necessarily. As E points out, Luke's raw power is pretty much unrivaled, yes?

Did you sign a contract with "ya" and the spoiler tags?

Spoiler:
yano

I have to agree with Neb about Ulic being there. The dude was able to hold his own with a Jedi for a prolonged period of time with absolutely no connection to the Force (that I know of), which iirc has been explicitly stated to be all but impossible to do, so his technical skill and raw abilities must be immense.

In fact, wasn't Johun Othun (or whatevar) viewed as weaksauce, becuase he couldn't beat a non-force user even though he was described as rediculously skilled?

hmmm. off-topic again, but in Abyss when you and I have talked about "Luke hasn't eaten in days/ Luke was weak " You saw the paragraph at the beginning of chapter 28, right:

"He was sustaining himself only through the strength of teh Force. It was pouring into him from all sides, filling him with a blazing furnace of pain, devouring him even as it empowered him, burning him alive even as it saved him. Luke would have liked to think he had never been quite this tired, to believe he would never again find himself in circumstances quite this desperate. "

He goes on to say He HAD been in situations this desperate before, but the point it makes is he was NOT a full-strength Luke by any stretch of the imagination during his battle against the Sith strike team.

Originally posted by Gideon
ya,

But that is not indicative of Luke's technical skill, necessarily. As E points out, Luke's raw power is pretty much unrivaled, yes?

I see. Reading your post, and Faunus's, I think I misunderstood. So to judge these people WITHOUT the force, we have NOTHING to go on. Even Kas'sim was using the force in his duels. As was Dooku. As was Yoda. And Sidious, and DEFINITLY Mace. Kenobi used the force during his duel with Grievous.

Honestly, without the force,

Grievous beats all. Hands down, and easily.

truejedi
I see. Reading your post, and Faunus's, I think I misunderstood. So to judge these people WITHOUT the force, we have NOTHING to go on. Even Kas'sim was using the force in his duels. As was Dooku. As was Yoda. And Sidious, and DEFINITLY Mace. Kenobi used the force during his duel with Grievous.

Honestly, without the force,

Grievous beats all. Hands down, and easily.

I specifically mentioned that this thread needn't be pertinent to the versus forum to merit interest. The implication in that would be that this isn't a versus thread. We are simply attempting to come to some consensus regarding those with the greatest technical mastery of the lightsaber.

Once more, this is not a versus thread.

right. and obviously. and I asked how you expect to reach a consensus when you don't have ANY IDEA how any of these fare with a lightsaber without the force?

Somebody is grumpy this evening.

truejedi
right. and obviously. and I asked how you expect to reach a consensus when you don't have ANY IDEA how any of these fare with a lightsaber without the force?

At all.

This is precisely why it is difficult to place individuals whose strength in the Force plays a more significant role than usual in their general ability with a lightsaber.

Edited for [potential?] grumpiness.