Top 10 most technically skilled lightsaber duelists in the SW mythos

Started by Eminence8 pages

Thanosi
Also my friend... that is only ONE name opponent for the 3 I listed. Which is my point... narration and practice performances only go so far.
No.

What the thread starter is trying to get is an idea of who in the mythos possesses top-tier technical skill with the lightsaber. The term as we use it connotes one's mastery of form, style or technique, classical, obscure or improvisational. It's a topic of interest to the thread starter in part because it isn't usually dictated by the trajectories of traditional duels in canon; those are generally determined in at least equal measure by a number of other factors, including psychological elements and variances in combatants' respective abilities in the Force.

Now:

Kas'im: Path of Destruction makes it perfectly clear that Kas'im's expertise in the methodology of lightsaber combat is unmatched in his time and nearly so in any other. His performance against Bane sets this in stone; despite Bane's tremendous advantage in Force-talent - not to mention age, strength, size, and familiarity with the environment - he has no defense for the alien style Kas'im utilizes in the end-stages of the duel. As this case relates to this particular thread, the fact that Bane was completely unfamiliar with the dual-blade style is not a mitigating factor in the value of the swordmaster's victory, it is proof of his complete dominance over Bane in the discipline whose cross-saga elites this thread is trying to identify.

Ulic Qel-Droma: Over a decade after being violently cut off from the Force, with his only practice in recent days being the relatively brief training of a Jedi child, he held his own against a bloodlusted Sylvar in combat.

That might not sound particularly impressive, but keep in mind a few things:
[list]
[*]Ulic had spent the past ten years wandering the galaxy, spirit broken. Put on trial in front of the Senate for crimes against humanity - a charge that wouldn't be invoked again for another four thousand years - immediately before the assassination of the Chancellor by his Sith Master, one would imagine his standing with the galactic populace (a pilot who identifies him ends up shooting him in the back) indicated that he hadn't spent many of those years in anything resembling comfortable conditions. His health and athleticism had presumably suffered as a result, and he didn't have a lightsaber to practice with; the one he used against Sylvar was built one on Rhen Var by hand without the aid of the Force.

[*]He had no connection to the Force. This means no heightened senses, enhanced reflexes, or superhuman strength, speed, and stamina. Nothing that makes a Jedi extraordinary.

[*]His opponent had all those things, in addition to her species' inherently superior physique and the further enhancements of strength and speed provided by the battle rage she'd immersed herself in.
[/list]
I'll point out that the best of non-Force-sensitive humans tend to compare rather poorly to even the most reserved of Jedi in close combat. Jango Fett, trained Mandalorian, genetically prime and the most dangerous bounty hunter in the galaxy, took on Obi-Wan with pistols, a rocket launcher, and starship cannons controlled by a [very capable] third-party, and managed at best to run away. Another Mandalorian attacked Kenobi with a lightsaber during the Clone Wars. Despite putting up an impressive show, he was disarmed and humiliated. Entire sections of The Cestus Deception are dedicated to the awe Kit Fisto inspires in ARC troopers, the most gifted and effective soldiers in the clone army.

As of Redemption, Qel-Droma was no longer a physical specimen of any note. He had no power in the Force. The only thing that could possible have enabled him to withstand the assault of a murderous Jedi, someone quick enough to deflect blaster bolts and strong enough to beat down Massassi, is an enormous command of the lightsaber. His skill is completely unquestionable.

Someone with the relevant [non-Darsha Assant] sources can tell you about Bondara. Again, given the issue we're dealing with in this thread narration is usually going to be at least as important as action. Don't forget that.

Originally posted by Galan007
Personally, I'd say the best gauge we have to Krayt's technical skill was his battle on Tatooine with post-RotS Obi-Wan. During this battle, Krayt [then still A'Sharad] appeared to be more then a match for Kenobi in the saber department. In fact, Kenobi only 'won' the battle after he became visibly angry and ripped A'Sharad's arm off with a force attack.
hm, that sounds pretty impressive. might you have scans of this, sir? 🙂

Wow, Ulic is alot more skilled than I gave him credit for.

Originally posted by mattatom
Caedus won because he had a third hand.

Ok, yea, he doesn't get on the list 🙂

The New Jedi Order has a lot of skilled duelists, but the only one I'd definitely put on the top ten is Luke.

Originally posted by Eminence
No.

What the thread starter is trying to get is an idea of who in the mythos possesses top-tier technical skill with the lightsaber. The term as we use it connotes one's mastery of form, style or technique, classical, obscure or improvisational. It's a topic of interest to the thread starter in part because it isn't usually dictated by the trajectories of traditional duels in canon; those are generally determined in at least equal measure by a number of other factors, including psychological elements and variances in combatants' respective abilities in the Force.

Now:

[b]Kas'im: Path of Destruction makes it perfectly clear that Kas'im's expertise in the methodology of lightsaber combat is unmatched in his time and nearly so in any other. His performance against Bane sets this in stone; despite Bane's tremendous advantage in Force-talent - not to mention age, strength, size, and familiarity with the environment - he has no defense for the alien style Kas'im utilizes in the end-stages of the duel. As this case relates to this particular thread, the fact that Bane was completely unfamiliar with the dual-blade style is not a mitigating factor in the value of the swordmaster's victory, it is proof of his complete dominance over Bane in the discipline whose cross-saga elites this thread is trying to identify.

Ulic Qel-Droma: Over a decade after being violently cut off from the Force, with his only practice in recent days being the relatively brief training of a Jedi child, he held his own against a bloodlusted Sylvar in combat.

That might not sound particularly impressive, but keep in mind a few things:
[list]
[*]Ulic had spent the past ten years wandering the galaxy, spirit broken. Put on trial in front of the Senate for crimes against humanity - a charge that wouldn't be invoked again for another four thousand years - immediately before the assassination of the Chancellor by his Sith Master, one would imagine his standing with the galactic populace (a pilot who identifies him ends up shooting him in the back) indicated that he hadn't spent many of those years in anything resembling comfortable conditions. His health and athleticism had presumably suffered as a result, and he didn't have a lightsaber to practice with; the one he used against Sylvar was built one on Rhen Var by hand without the aid of the Force.

[*]He had no connection to the Force. This means no heightened senses, enhanced reflexes, or superhuman strength, speed, and stamina. Nothing that makes a Jedi extraordinary.

[*]His opponent had all those things, in addition to her species' inherently superior physique and the further enhancements of strength and speed provided by the battle rage she'd immersed herself in.
[/list]
I'll point out that the best of non-Force-sensitive humans tend to compare rather poorly to even the most reserved of Jedi in close combat. Jango Fett, trained Mandalorian, genetically prime and the most dangerous bounty hunter in the galaxy, took on Obi-Wan with pistols, a rocket launcher, and starship cannons controlled by a [very capable] third-party, and managed at best to run away. Another Mandalorian attacked Kenobi with a lightsaber during the Clone Wars. Despite putting up an impressive show, he was disarmed and humiliated. Entire sections of The Cestus Deception are dedicated to the awe Kit Fisto inspires in ARC troopers, the most gifted and effective soldiers in the clone army.

As of Redemption, Qel-Droma was no longer a physical specimen of any note. He had no power in the Force. The only thing that could possible have enabled him to withstand the assault of a murderous Jedi, someone quick enough to deflect blaster bolts and strong enough to beat down Massassi, is an enormous command of the lightsaber. His skill is completely unquestionable.

Someone with the relevant [non-Darsha Assant] sources can tell you about Bondara. Again, given the issue we're dealing with in this thread narration is usually going to be at least as important as action. Don't forget that. [/B]

This is an excellent post and illustrates their technical skills. The problem is, it's via mostly narration or fighting people of little significance or skill. To put it simply, you might have all the technical skill and mastered ever form in the dojo. Yet the only real way to test such skill and see how good you really are.. is to test said technical skill in a one v one battle, against a high calibur foe to the death.. is this the best way to determine skill when it matters the most?

Originally posted by john allerdyce
hm, that sounds pretty impressive. might you have scans of this, sir? 🙂
I might:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/KryatvsObi1.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/KryatvsObi2.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/KryatvsObi3.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/KryatvsObi4.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/KryatvsObi5.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
I might:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/KryatvsObi1.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/KryatvsObi2.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/KryatvsObi3.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/KryatvsObi4.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/KryatvsObi5.jpg
thankies. 😄

Originally posted by ben222
According to me :
1)FOTJ Luke skywalker
2)ROTS Yoda
3)DE Sidious
4)Darth Caedus
5)ROTS Mace Windu
6)Galen Marek
7)ROTS Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader
8)Darth Bane
9)Darth Revan
10)FOTJKyp Durron

1. ROTJ luke skywalker
2. DE palpatine
3. DARTH Caedus
4. Darth Vader
5. ROTS yoda
6. ROTS count dooku
7. Mace windu
8. Darth Bane
9. Plo koon
10. Obi wan kenobi

In terms of skill, hmm

1. GM Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda.
4. Jacen Solo
5. ROTS Vader
6. Mace Windu/Count Dooku
7. Darth Vader
8. Darth Maul
9. Exar Kun
10. ROTS Kenobi/Lumiya/Ventress/Ulic Qel Droma

Sidious.

????

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I'd say Kas'im is the most technically skilled duelist in the SW mythos. Maybe Yoda is second due to the huge amount of time he'd have to train, as well as having trained numerous apprentices.

👆

Isn't Sidious an ambidextrous master of every classical lightsaber form? That accompanied by his feats could put him at the top of a technical-skill ranking.

In no specific order:

- Mace Windu
- Kas'im
- Kao Cen Darach
- Yoda
- Tulak Hord
- Emperor's Wrath
- Exar Kun
- Ulic Qel-Droma
- Darth Caedus
- Luke Skywalker

I've become numb to the unfounded Kas'im wank, but what is so grand about Kao? How can you gauge he is one of the most skilled duelists in the mythos based off of one trailer against a featless Vindican and an early Malgus? You have Mace on the list but not Dooku, Anakin Skywalker, Maul, etc.

Please tell me you have something other than that one trailer to go on, because if that's all it is, you really can't deny you're very clearly biased towards TOR.

Though of course, no matter how many times I've said this, you will deny it obviously.

He's better than Kas'im imo, holding back Vindican and Young Malgus easily surpasses anything Kas'im has shown

As always, Luke and Sidious are on top of the heap, in that order.

@Carth

ROTS Vader above Mace and Dooku in terms of skill? How?

Revan tulak Hord dooku vader malgus Yoda sidious....Qui-Gon Jin. Marka Ragnos exar Kun Ulic quel droma.

Originally posted by Trocity
I've become numb to the unfounded Kas'im wank, but what is so grand about Kao? How can you gauge he is one of the most skilled duelists in the mythos based off of one trailer against a featless Vindican and an early Malgus? You have Mace on the list but not Dooku, Anakin Skywalker, Maul, etc.

Please tell me you have something other than that one trailer to go on, because if that's all it is, you really can't deny you're very clearly biased towards TOR.

Though of course, no matter how many times I've said this, you will deny it obviously.


Unfounded Kas'im wank? Brilliant.

What is go grand about Kao?

Kao became the Jedi Order's battlemaster and demonstrated extreme technical proficiency in Jedi dueling arts by virtue of his ability to expertly use both double-bladed and normal lightsabers in a duel simultaneously. Officially, it is more difficult to master lightsaber forms using a double-bladed lightsaber then a normal lightsaber; Kao evidently went a step above norm.

Vindican was able to effectively duel Kao until the latter adopted unfamiliar dueling tactic to outduel the former with use of multiple blades. And Malgus was among the greatest warriors of the Empire even as of this point in history.

People mistakenly assume that Malgus was an amateur as of Return.

Kao have very impressive combat resume. Some people just don't realize his potential and the circumstantial nature of his demise, based on self-delusion.

I can assert that what is so great about Maul managing to duel the duo of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan (Padawan). However, it was this particular showing that promoted Maul as a great warrior. And the hype lived-on.

Kao happens to be the underdog by virtue of being featured in TOR era content. And I am biased for promoting him as a standout duelist on the basis of official evidence; such hypocrisy.