Originally posted by TheTyrant
She wouldn't be able to do that to Bane during Salvation Run.
Sure she would if the writing vaguely fit with her established character. Unless she was supposed to be greatly depowered for some reason.
Let's see what else we got... well, Bolt's 50,000 volts didn't work and he got left behind while she went after their target, and he's far from street level. Firehawk's not either. Firestorm got ripped open, as did Doctor Light, shredded Flash, tug-o-war with Donna Troy, first encounter with WW she was frighteningly dangerous, and well, you get the idea.
Starscream Mcheetah has no bee's knees going up against Apoc who is superior in every way save for speed
Even though Cheetah's often been shown to be a threat to people equal or more powerful than Apoc like Superman? A lot of it because of speed, but with enough strength and toughness and deadly claws and such to make that speed a threat even to people of Apoc's level.
Her track record against high end types is pretty good.
Originally posted by Q99What's cheetah gonna do if Apoc decides to grow into the size of a skyscraper and crush her with his foot?
Sure she would if the writing vaguely fit with her established character. Unless she was supposed to be greatly depowered for some reason.Let's see what else we got... well, Bolt's 50,000 volts didn't work and he got left behind while she went after their target, and he's far from street level. Firestorm got ripped open, as did Doctor Light, shredded Flash, tug-o-war with Donna Troy, first encounter with WW she was frighteningly dangerous, and well, you get the idea.
Even though Cheetah's often been shown to be a threat to people equal or more powerful than Superman? A lot of it because of speed, but with enough strength and toughness and deadly claws and such to make that speed a threat even to people of Apoc's level.
Her track record against high end types is pretty good.
yeah...NOTHING
Originally posted by Starscream M
ok so she's gonna run away? that counts as a loss
No, she'll move out of the way of the attack, then try to rip up his heals at superspeed/pull his feet out from under him, unbalancing him and make him fall, then let's say... next move would be to slice across his throat when he falls, or goes for the eyes.... or have a plan of attack of running up him and going for the eyes to begin with. That sounds like a course for her.
The 'turn giant' thing actually isn't all that good of a move by Apoc because it makes him so much less agile. Probably why he doesn't do it in more fights, and in this case he'll never hit her physically at that size.
Energy blasts are a better choice, they're faster.
Apocalypse is more than just a tougher Giant Man, and turning giant doesn't help all that much.
Originally posted by Q99apoc can manipulate his own matter
No, she'll move out of the way of the attack, then rip up his heals at superspeed/pull his feet out from under him, unbalancing him and make him fall, then let's say... slice across his throat when he falls, or goes for the eyes.... or just run up him and go for the eyes to begin with.The 'turn giant' thing actually isn't all that good of a move by Apoc because it makes him so much less agile.
her attacks would do little beyond superficial injuries
and at 100 feet tall, she could barely scratch his surface skin...he'll crush her like a insect
Originally posted by Starscream M
apoc can manipulate his own matterher attacks would do little beyond superficial injuries
and at 100 feet tall, she could barely scratch his surface skin...he'll crush her like a insect
Except they're still class 100+ attacks, she is strong enough to push over someone who's skyscraper tall.
At 100 foot fall, she'll still be able to rip out his eyes and go for the neck, and he won't hit her. He's just not agile or fast enough at that size.
apoc's skin would be a couple of feet thick as it is all proportional.
Yea, this is *Cheetah*, she can get through a couple feet of stuff (which'd need more than 100 feet to get that thick, which makes the hitting problem even worse). Especially at vitals.
Originally posted by Starscream M
no she won'twhen has she ever pushed anything close to the weight of a skyscraper?
She has matched strength with Wonder Woman.
Wonder Woman has helped move the moon.
One plus one equals...
jeez you're making things up now
You're just not paying attention at all to "she's not a Tigra clone, she's a threat to top tiers," are you?
Getting giant is a lousy strategy- at least Tyrant is offering better suggestions.
TheTyrant
She normally doesn't win against Wonder Woman, so how is it that all of a sudden a weaker version of Cheetah manages to stomp Superman who happens to be stronger than Wonder Woman?
Slower but not weaker, and he hit Superman fairly fast and hard. Cheetah has beaten Wonder Woman in similar circumstances.
But what is Barb gonna do once Apoc starts to levitate? How is she gonna breach his barrier? How is she gonna resist his blasts? Matter manipulation?
Levitating can be fought with super leaping, but all she has against a barrier is her claws and strength. Blasts, she's gotta dodge or soak.
If Apoc tries to go to the distance game and fights smart, he can definitely win, but Barbara will try and hit him hard and fast and severely injure him before he starts pulling out the stops *and* if he fights cautiously and doesn't risk melee.
It really depends on the strategy he picks.
Originally posted by Q99
You've got it.Cheetah's also class 100+. Cheetah's power was used to *take down Superman* once.
That said, Apoc does have stuff like teleportation and energy blasts, so he could try the range game.
-Female Cheetah is this, but faster.
The thing is, she has like a dozen herald class fights, and two-three streetlevel ones.
It's not high-balling if it's the norm. She's a deific champion and regular opponent of a top-tier.
Note that in that very fight, Wonder Woman couldn't hit her in an enclosed area and was being sliced apart, and she was not hit by it, WW just grabbed her while she was avoiding it/temporarily off her feat. Diana used the blast as a tactical tool to direct her movements but she was neither hit nor hurt.
Don't misrepresent, she showed very high speed in that fight, and it was an indoor fight even.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
But she can't grow in size and be even stronger. Apocalypse at regular size put She-Hulk in a choke hold with ONE ARM!Either a low showing for Superman or high showing for Sebastian. That's exactly what I'm talking about. She normally doesn't win against Wonder Woman, so how is it that all of a sudden a weaker version of Cheetah manages to stomp Superman who happens to be stronger than Wonder Woman?
I'm not sure about this one. Let me think about it and do a bit of research.
My bad 😮
But what is Barb gonna do once Apoc starts to levitate? How is she gonna breach his barrier? How is she gonna resist his blasts? Matter manipulation?
Originally posted by Starscream M
I love the abc logic.Batman has shaken up Darkseid and Grundy with his attacks...guess his attacks are not CL100 also huh?
By "shaken up," do you mean, "tug of war"? Because I don't think Batman's ever done that, but Cheetah has. Heck, I showed you a scan of her holding back Donna Troy who's class 100 too, if less so than WW.
Superman compare the strength of punches, not claws mind you, punches, from maleCheetah to Captain Marvel's.
We have a lot of instances establishing her strength level. Demonstrated.
"That's ABC logic" is normally brought up to indicate, 'just because A beats B and B beats C, doesn't mean A beats C, because there's other factors involved, knowing why A, B, and C interact how they do is important.'
But we're talking strength here. If A beats B in weightlifting, and B beats C, A will beat C as well, because we're talking a single objective stat. The same applies to speed.
"Just because Cheetah can take out Superman or Wonder Woman, doesn't mean she's well suited to taking out Apoc, he's got an entirely different power set!" is a reasonable argument that can be further examined, Apoc does fight a lot different. "Just because Cheetah has matched up in strength against class 100s as shown multiple times, doesn't mean she's got class 100 strength!" is a nonsensical argument.
Originally posted by Q99
No, she'll move out of the way of the attack, then try to rip up his heals at superspeed/pull his feet out from under him, unbalancing him and make him fall, then let's say... next move would be to slice across his throat when he falls, or goes for the eyes.... or have a plan of attack of running up him and going for the eyes to begin with. That sounds like a course for her.The 'turn giant' thing actually isn't all that good of a move by Apoc because it makes him so much less agile. Probably why he doesn't do it in more fights, and in this case he'll never hit her physically at that size.
Energy blasts are a better choice, they're faster.
Apocalypse is more than just a tougher Giant Man, and turning giant doesn't help all that much.
Apoc would easily heal from Cheetah's claws
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I don't think Cheetah can even hurt him. Cyclop's full power blast is nothing to him:
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What is she gonna do against telekenisis? http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/palacerise.png
Can she resist telepathy?
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Apoc has been curbstomped by almost everyone at this point... provided they have energy manipulation or telekinesis. In fact, the ONLY area where he does seem to have consistently high-level feats is in melee: so far as I know, he has never had a problem with either speedsters (quicksilver, Ikaris) or brawlers. Unless Cheetah has a bunch of BFR feats I don't know about, she is going to lose this.
