DE Sidious vs Mace Windu (sabers only)
DE Sidious (well practiced in sabers so not rusty)
Vs.
Mace Windu (rots)
note
Though no force tk, lightening, illusions, etc, can be used, each combantant is free to use the force to the best of their abilities to buff, enhance their physical and attributes. Such as speed, cognition, reflexes, strength, jumps, endurance, stamina, etc.
Originally posted by Darth_GlentractIt wasn't the force attacks I was afraid of, but the potential damage from channelling Sidious energy into Vaapad, if he gets it going in time. DE Sidious is dangerously dark and evil, to the point of killing himself with his own power.
Sidious takes this. Vapaad will protect Mace from Sidious' Force attacks, but since this is sabers only, it doesn't matter. Sidious wins; he's too good.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Vaapad isn't about reflecting Force attacks, though its partaking in a duel will go towards that. It uses the Darkness of the opponent in conjunction with one's own inner-Darkness. Even without offensive Force powers, Mace will still be feeding off Sidious natural "Dark aura".
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Sidious takes this. Vapaad will protect Mace from Sidious' Force attacks, but since this is sabers only, it doesn't matter. Sidious wins; he's too good.
So... how do you figure Sids is superior to Windu in saber ability?
Don't say because of his uber awesome speed, because that's no less a force assisted ability than Vaapad is.
This is a seriously close match. On the one hand they'll be almost equal, yet DE Sidious is different from ROTS Sids, who Mace stalemated. He's got a much younger body, so he won't have to boost himself up as much with the Force to compensate for his age like he had to in ROTS, so he'll be at a higher level, but theres also the fact that his clone body isn't capable of handling his vast power very well, so he might weaken faster. All in all, Mace may win through attrition, becuase on top on the above he has both his own reserves and Sidious' to draw from and so logically can hold out longer, if Pals vitality isn't the key to letting him quickly beat Mace.
50-50 split imo.
Originally posted by Nephthys
This is a seriously close match. On the one hand they'll be almost equal, yet DE Sidious is different from ROTS Sids, who Mace stalemated. 50-50 split imo.
How do you get "mace stalemated" out of their battle? It's canon that Mace disarmed and defeated Sidious. Yes, the outcome was that Mace dies (due to little Annie), but the fact remains that Mace won the duel/fight/battle/wtf ever you want to call it.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
How do you get "mace stalemated" out of their battle? It's canon that Mace disarmed and defeated Sidious. Yes, the outcome was that Mace dies (due to little Annie), but the fact remains that Mace won the duel/fight/battle/wtf ever you want to call it.
Well, it is debatable that Sidious genuinely lost his duel. He could have been feigning his defeat to draw Anakin closer the Dark Side of the Force. He didn't seem so weak when he blasting Mace with Lightning, I'll tell you that.
Originally posted by Anakin4Ever
Well, it is debatable that Sidious genuinely lost his duel. He could have been feigning his defeat to draw Anakin closer the Dark Side of the Force. He didn't seem so weak when he blasting Mace with Lightning, I'll tell you that.
We're talking about a "lightsaber battle" and Mace won (without a shadow of a doubt - backed by novel canon and by GL himself) that portion of their duel. This shouldn't even be a debate, but.... well.... I guess that's why we're here.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
That's two different things. Sidious is much superior to Mace in the Force, granted. Mace won the duel. Why would Sidious be weak after a single kick?
Yes, everyone knows Sids would ****ing destroy Mace in a pure force contest. But I don't think Mace would ever let it come to that. Anyways, I'm getting a little off track here. Point is, Mace already defeated Palps in a saber duel, and would no doubt do it again if said limitations applied.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
How do you get "mace stalemated" out of their battle? It's canon that Mace disarmed and defeated Sidious. Yes, the outcome was that Mace dies (due to little Annie), but the fact remains that Mace won the duel/fight/battle/wtf ever you want to call it.
Mace only won becuase he found Sidious' Shatterpoint (unless thats considered non-canon) and becuase he manipulated the environment, neither of which he can do here. Up until that point the novel makes it quite clear that they're equals.