Darth Caedus and Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Jaina Solo and Darth Vader (ROTS)

Originally posted by truejedi

acknowledged. Just went and re-read that. Good call. Now what was the point of that do you think? I mean, it saved her life right after fight ended, because he was looking around for luke instead of killing her, but still... Unless Luke knew there was going to be a lull in the fighting just like that, there was no point.

Jaina being amped by Luke was far more powerful than Jaina typically was. Hence why Jaina felt like she could punch a hole through durasteel and catch a blaster bolt between her fingers (I wonder if those were hyperbole) and felt a sudden draining when Luke stopped amping her.

hm. So BM. I don't think that was ever stated though.

The book states that she fealt more powerful than ever, more intune with the force than ever. But when Luke leaves Jaina it tehn states Jaina returned to her normal levels. Sure Denning didn't come straight out and say "lolz Luke was amping Jaina" but said it in a more ambigious way.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hells to the yeah. Caedus is at least a Dooku, maybe a Bane level duelist, he'd beat Anakin imo.

If Caedus was a Dooku, Anakin would be able to beat him.
Caedus can probably beat Anakin though. He did live longer as a mostly organic being.

Originally posted by Anakin4Ever
If Caedus was a Dooku, Anakin would be able to beat him.
Caedus can probably beat Anakin though. He did live longer as a mostly organic being.

Caedus stood up to Luke in a lightsaber duel. He is > Dooku.

Caedus was stated on the inside flap of LOTF: Invincible to have a greater command of the Force than Vader.

Caedus tools Vader while Obi Wan holds off (he is VERY good at Soresu) or defeats Jaina.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Caedus was stated on the inside flap of LOTF: Invincible to have a greater command of the Force than Vader.

i agree with that actually. the summaries are deigned to intrigue you into reading the novel, and they have a very frequent habit of using hyperbole and flat out lies, to get you interested.

honestly, if the only source that states that caedus is = vader is the inside flap of a novel, id argue that it isnt to be trusted

Originally posted by ares834
As I already said these are not canon. Many of them contradict their own stories take RoT for example. It claims Darth Bane is the "last surviving Sith" despite the fact that eight surving sith appear later on in the novel the Umbaran Shadow Assassins. And that's just one example.
Another novel Specter of the Past says the Empire had "an invincible armada of Star Destroyers" which is obviously false, says "lurking in the shadows is the enigmatic Major Tierce, a disciple of Emperor Palpatine" which is false as he is a dead but a clone is alive yet he was never a "disciple of Emperor Palpatine" and it says the Empire "saved their most heinous plan for last" this is not their most henious plan nor is it their last... The simple fact is countless of these contradict the actual source material. ANother thing is they have never been stated to be canon anywhere, yes novels are but not the publisher's summary which has the goal to make you a person want to buy the novel and thus they supp it up.

No, Book covers ARE canon as well, UNLESS, they are contradicted by the story (like your examples.) Leland Chee's call. He has the authority to call them Canon if he wants.

And I just looked up Grodin Tierce. He was a Royal Guard. Ego: disciple of Palpatine.

Originally posted by truejedi
No, Book covers ARE canon as well, UNLESS, they are contradicted by the story (like your examples.) Leland Chee's call. He has the authority to call them Canon if he wants.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And I just looked up Grodin Tierce. He was a Royal Guard. Ego: disciple of Palpatine.

You would have to get it from Gideon. He was kind enough to link it too me once upon a time.

Originally posted by ares834
As I already said these are not canon. Many of them contradict their own stories take RoT for example. It claims Darth Bane is the "last surviving Sith" despite the fact that eight surving sith appear later on in the novel the Umbaran Shadow Assassins. And that's just one example.
Another novel Specter of the Past says the Empire had "an invincible armada of Star Destroyers" which is obviously false, says "lurking in the shadows is the enigmatic Major Tierce, a disciple of Emperor Palpatine" which is false as he is a dead but a clone is alive yet he was never a "disciple of Emperor Palpatine" and it says the Empire "saved their most heinous plan for last" this is not their most henious plan nor is it their last... The simple fact is countless of these contradict the actual source material. ANother thing is they have never been stated to be canon anywhere, yes novels are but not the publisher's summary which has the goal to make you a person want to buy the novel and thus they supp it up.

Well, that statement about Darth Bane being the last surviving sith was written before the FOTJ series. And Umbraran Shadow Assassins aren't considered to be true sith lords.

The phrase "invincible" armada is clearly hyperbole in this case.

Again, a lot of what you mentioned was either written before the source that contradicted it or a figure of speech.

You do have a point though. Still, that statement about Caedus being > Vader hasn't been contradicted yet. And Caedus is indeed more powerful than Vader even if you go by feats.

Originally posted by ares834
Grodin Tierce is. But not his clone, who was cloned after Palps death, which is what the novel is talking about as he is the one "lurking in the shadows". The real Tierce died long ago.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Well, that statement about Darth Bane being the last surviving sith was written before the FOTJ series. And Umbraran Shadow Assassins aren't considered to be true sith lords.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Did the flap say the clone specifically was a disciple?

Originally posted by ares834
Sorta. It says "All the while, lurking in the shadows is the enigmatic Major Tierce, a disciple of Emperor Palpatine". The true Tierce died long before this novel so he could not be the one lurking in the shadows. Therefore it must be his clone. Granted we don't learn he is a clone untill the second novel.

"All the while, lurking in the shadows, Haley Joel Osment aka, Keyser Soze."

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Caedus stood up to Luke in a lightsaber duel. He is > Dooku.

Caedus was stated on the inside flap of LOTF: Invincible to have a greater command of the Force than Vader.

Caedus tools Vader while Obi Wan holds off (he is VERY good at Soresu) or defeats Jaina.

Yeah, hence my statement that Caedus would beat Vader. But let's be honest he was trained since he was like 5. Caedus is pretty bad@$$.

TJ
You would have to get it from Gideon. He was kind enough to link it too me once upon a time.

I don't know what you're talking about, actually. I'm unfamiliar with any statement from Leland Chee about the validity of the flaps and backs of novelizations. If anything, Ares is pretty convincing here.

In the publishing world, a book flap is designed to be over the top. In fact, as part of the manuscript submission process, any writer is required to write their own dust jacket blurb to prove they can pitch their story.

Originally posted by Gideon
I don't know what you're talking about, actually. I'm unfamiliar with any statement from Leland Chee about the validity of the flaps and backs of novelizations. If anything, Ares is pretty convincing here.

We were discussing the validity of quotes from the Star Wars role-playing game, and you gave me a link where he points out that EVERYTHING is canon, unless it is overruled elsewhere by other canon, including things so mundane as packaging.

I'd need to see that link.