I won't deny that some people put him on a pedastal at times but he does deserve it to at least some extent. Surfer is one of the most powerful heroes in mainstream comics.
I don't think Thor is as versatile as Norrin. He just doesn't pull out the exotic shit nearly as much as Norrin. Mjolnir can do damn near anything as it's basically a plot device depending on the situation -not unlike the Power Cosmic- which is why I'd put him on Norrin's level, but more versatile? I don't agree.
Originally posted by 753
He's always been highest herald, he's usually not overrated here.
Always been the highest herald?
You haven't been attention to his interactions with Thor have you?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI could not agree more.
I won't deny that some people put him on a pedastal at times but he does deserve it to at least some extent. Surfer is one of the most powerful heroes in mainstream comics.I don't think Thor is as versatile as Norrin. He just doesn't pull out the exotic shit nearly as much as Norrin. Mjolnir can do damn near anything as it's basically a plot device depending on the situation -not unlike the Power Cosmic- which is why I'd put him on Norrin's level, but more versatile? I don't agree.
Surfer is the highest herald IMO slightly above supes,thor and such if all powers are allowed.
It's all a matter of opinion. I personally wouldn't put Norrin above Thor.
He has more raw power, more formidable in an up close physical battle, and just all around more combat oriented in my opinion. Plus his around his level in terms of versatility unless his fighting like a brick.
I see Thor beating Norrin in a fight more often than not. Not as bad as he was in Blood and Thunder though. That shit was just ridiculous.
By all rights, either Thor or Norrin should take it pretty handily against Superman based on their power sets. Won't happen in a comic though. Superman is pretty damn formidable in combat and his sheer raw physical capabilities and creativity make up for his lack of versatility. Still, taking into account C.I.S. etc. I'd give either Thor or Norrin 6-7/10 over Clark but no more.
The problem with Thor and Surfer is that in comics they are never written at full potential. It can be argued that with Mjolnir and the Power Cosmic that Thor's and Surfers powers are near limitless.
With Thor, the issue is that he is shown to be so proud of a Warrior that he doesnt always use his hammer's more exotic powers outside of lighting attacks and throwing it at people.
And with Surfer he is normally shown as being passive so he rarely ever goes all out nor use his powers that effectively or efficiently.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's all a matter of opinion. I personally wouldn't put Norrin above Thor.He has more raw power, more formidable in an up close physical battle, and just all around more combat oriented in my opinion. Plus his around his level in terms of versatility unless his fighting like a brick.
I see Thor beating Norrin in a fight more often than not. Not as bad as he was in Blood and Thunder though. That shit was just ridiculous.
By all rights, either Thor or Norrin should take it pretty handily against Superman based on their power sets. Won't happen in a comic though. Superman is pretty damn formidable in combat and his sheer raw physical capabilities and creativity make up for his lack of versatility. Still, taking into account C.I.S. etc. I'd give either Thor or Norrin 6-7/10 over Clark but no more.
The difference is that Surfer have the Cosmic Awarness. Which isn't Thor's case. Som even if Thor has the ability to pwn Sups easely, he wouldn't know about the weaknesses. On the other hand, Surfer does.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
The difference is that Surfer have the Cosmic Awarness. Which isn't Thor's case. Som even if Thor has the ability to pwn Sups easely, he wouldn't know about the weaknesses. On the other hand, Surfer does.
Thor doesn't have to resort to Red Solar Radiation or Kryptonite. Energy absorption would be sufficient. It is common knowledge that Superman get's his powers from the Sun.
And while we are on the topic, Thor has superhuman senses, and an uncanny ability to sense different things, such as people he want's to find, whether or not someone's watching him, future calamities etc.
Originally posted by dmills
@753,
If we're at the point where we can't even say you can make a -case- that Thor historically has been just as if not more versatile then Norrin, then that's some serious revisionist history.
lol, nonsense. Thor over his history has definitely been shown to manifest his "versatility" on panel less than norrin. Mjolnir is a plot device like the PC but thor is notorious for fighting like a brick. This is a fact that even the biggest thor fans can acknowledge.
Yea, Thor tends to fight like a brick. Whether it's due to plot or C.I.S. doesn't change the fact that it's what he does.
Personally, I don't doubt that if you put Thor in say the same situation that Norrin has been in when his pulled out some high level exotic/versatile shit, he'd be just as successful as Norrin in accomplishing the goal. Mjolnir is just so ill-defined that the writer can do it if he/she wants without raising any eyebrows.
Thor's character is simply more battle/combat oriented so he doesn't end up in said situations. Stan/Kirby wrote a pretty versatile Thor. He used to just pull powers out of his ass when the situation called for it. He seemed to be more versatile when he was out in space or Asgard facing random foes back than on Earth back in the day.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's all a matter of opinion. I personally wouldn't put Norrin above Thor.He has more raw power, more formidable in an up close physical battle, and just all around more combat oriented in my opinion. Plus his around his level in terms of versatility unless his fighting like a brick.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYes I have. They don't change my opinion on the matter one bit all things considered.
I won't deny that some people put him on a pedastal at times but he does deserve it to at least some extent. Surfer is one of the most powerful heroes in mainstream comics.I don't think Thor is as versatile as Norrin. He just doesn't pull out the exotic shit nearly as much as Norrin. Mjolnir can do damn near anything as it's basically a plot device depending on the situation -not unlike the Power Cosmic- which is why I'd put him on Norrin's level, but more versatile? I don't agree.
Always been the highest herald?
You haven't been attention to his interactions with Thor have you?
Originally posted by dmillsI never said one couldn't possibly make a case that Thor is as versatile as the SS. But I don't think he is, I also recognize the difference in versatilty (considering all the powers they've ever used) isn't all that big. But surfer is more prone to use his versatility both in and out of combat situations.
@753,
If we're at the point where we can't even say you can make a -case- that Thor historically has been just as if not more versatile then Norrin, then that's some serious revisionist history.
Originally posted by Gecko4lifIyo which is wrong.
Yeah he kinda is
Originally posted by Black bolt zNo, it wouldn't even be a close fight and if you read their fights you'd realize this.
I never said that surfer could beat thanos.I said that no CIS//PIS/Bloodlusted would put up one helluva fight but thanos would still take the majority. I liked that too.From reading from both I gotta go with quan.Thanos is cooler then thor.
@Newjak.How does he have the least helpful partner here?WWH has already beaten sentry and black bolt.Of course that was non bloodlusted BB.And WWH is always bloodlusted...
Originally posted by dmillsNah, Surfer has him beat in versatility hands down.
@Naija,What do you mean "No you can't". You act like I said Thor is hands down is more versatile. I merely said one could make the case. And you damned well could.