Thor & BRB vs. Silver Surfer & WWH vs. Gladiator & Black Bolt vs. Sentry & Nova Prim

Originally posted by quanchi112
Iyo which is wrong.

No, it wouldn't even be a close fight and if you read their fights you'd realize this.

Nah, Surfer has him beat in versatility hands down.

IMO surfer using all his exotic power and not holding back would give thanos one helluva fight but thanos would still win.Surfer always fight defensivly,never uses all of his abilities,never goes for the kill,and just all in all never fights to the best of his abilities.Going up against thanos surfer has a good chance but IMO surfer has a chance.

Not hands down.Either can really use their powers for everything though.But thor tends to hold back a little less so IMO surfer would win a fight.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
IMO surfer using all his exotic power and not holding back would give thanos one helluva fight but thanos would still win.Surfer always fight defensivly,never uses all of his abilities,never goes for the kill,and just all in all never fights to the best of his abilities.Going up against thanos surfer has a good chance but IMO surfer has a chance.

Not hands down.Either can really use their powers for everything though.But thor tends to hold back a little less so IMO surfer would win a fight.

You need to read their encounters because it's clear Surfer has no chance.

SS, as much as I like him, has no chance against Thanos; every ability SS has, Thanos seems to have in greater quantities and he's smarter too. Thanos has never even broken a sweat beating Norrin.

Anyways...As far as the topic is concerned, SS and WWH take this, though the Hammer Bros are a close 2nd IMO...

Originally posted by brownqk
SS, as much as I like him, has no chance against Thanos; every ability SS has, Thanos seems to have in greater quantities and he's smarter too.

As far as the topic is concerned, SS and WWH take this, though the Hammer Bros are a close 2nd IMO...

Originally posted by quanchi112
None of these guys can beat the Sentry though.

WWH shows that Sentry energy can be burn out..i don't see why Surfer or Thor couldn't do the same..

Originally posted by quanchi112
None of these guys can beat the Sentry though.

That depends on what level the Sentry is at. If his in regular hero mode, even you must realize that he far from unbeatable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
None of these guys can beat the Sentry though.

Do you mean individually or like combined?

Originally posted by Slaanesh
WWH shows that Sentry energy can be burn out..i don't see why Surfer or Thor couldn't do the same..

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That depends on what level the Sentry is at. If his in regular hero mode, even you must realize that he far from unbeatable.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Do you mean individually or like combined?

Originally posted by quanchi112
None of these teams could beat him.

Ok, but do you mean like each team would fail against him like 2 on 1, or did you mean like all the teams combined here couldn't beat him if they attacked him?

Originally posted by quanchi112
At his best levels I don't think anyone can beat him here.

That depends on what you mean by best levels. If at best levels you consider him going black eyed, and tapping into the Void, then he should be the most powerful on the field. He beat Molecule Man in that state. However, even at that level, Thor was going toe to toe with him. That's understandable though. High Heralds have incredibly high level of showings at times. The time Thor took on the Celestials, took on Odin or ran off Galactus etc. come to mind.

If at best, it's him in hero mode, i.e being able to project energy and hit things very hard ala World War Hulk, beings as powerful as Thor etc. should beat him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he felt guilty and wanted to lose. It's obvious the only way to beat the guy is to make him allow you to.

i think it's only true for dying..he can't die unless he want to..not that he can't be beat if he doesn't want too..

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ok, but do you mean like each team would fail against him like 2 on 1, or did you mean like all the teams combined here couldn't beat him if they attacked him?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That depends on what you mean by best levels. If at best levels you consider him going black eyed, and tapping into the Void, then he should be the most powerful on the field. He beat Molecule Man in that state. However, even at that level, Thor was going toe to toe with him. That's understandable though. High Heralds have incredibly high level of showings at times. The time Thor took on the Celestials, took on Odin or ran off Galactus etc. come to mind.

If at best, it's him in hero mode, i.e being able to project energy and hit things very hard ala World War Hulk, beings as powerful as Thor etc. should beat him.

Thor's attacks can't put him down only destroy his body and he will be weakened from the blasts.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
i think it's only true for dying..he can't die unless he want to..not that he can't be beat if he doesn't want too..

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor had aid, and wasn't going toe to toe with him, he was easily restrained while he tore asgard down. Sentry was far more than Thor and you know it.

😬 Aid from who?

Yes he was. Read their entire battle.

Easily restrained? Thor destroyed the shell of the Sentry, and the Sentry attacked, grabbing him in a tentacle while Thor seemed to be surprised. It lasted for a single panel, then the Void punched Thor, and then flew away. That incident lasted for like a few seconds tops. Void grabbed him in a tentacle at the end of Siege #4 and it didn't stop him. Clearly Thor wasn't exactly helpless.

Not according to their fight.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😬 Aid from who?

Yes he was. Read their entire battle.

Easily restrained? Thor destroyed the shell of the Sentry, and the Sentry attacked, grabbing him in a tentacle while Thor seemed to be surprised. It lasted for a single panel, then the Void punched Thor, and then flew away. That incident lasted for like a few seconds tops. Void grabbed him in a tentacle at the end of Siege #4 and it didn't stop him. Clearly Thor wasn't exactly helpless.

Not according to their fight.

A kree gun wecked his head and destroying his body gets you nowhere. He voided out while wrecking asgard while holding off Thor.

Yes, and according to the writer and the entire arc. Sentry is more powerful than Thor by a country mile.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Loki, the avengers, norn stones, etc.

A kree gun wecked his head and destroying his body gets you nowhere. He voided out while wrecking asgard while holding off Thor.

Yes, and according to the writer and the entire arc. Sentry is more powerful than Thor by a country mile.

😬

I'm talking about Sentry while tapping into the Void. Not full on Void. He had no help during that fight.

The Sentry while Voided out grabbed him for a panel, punched him, then flew away to destroy Asgard. Thor wasn't attacking him while he flew through Asgard.

Hero Sentry is not far more powerful than Thor. He isn't even more powerful. Hero Sentry has limits.

Not really. Thor easily dealt with the Sentry in the first issue, and was going toe to toe with Voided out Sentry although he had the edge in the end. Full on Void should without a doubt be more powerful than Thor. At the very least on average.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😬

I'm talking about Sentry while tapping into the Void. Not full on Void. He had no help during that fight.

The Sentry while Voided out grabbed him for a panel, punched him, then flew away to destroy Asgard. Thor wasn't attacking him while he flew through Asgard.

Hero Sentry is not far more powerful than Thor. He isn't even more powerful. Hero Sentry has limits.

Not really. Thor easily dealt with the Sentry in the first issue, and was going toe to toe with Voided out Sentry although he had the edge in the end. Full on Void should without a doubt be more powerful than Thor. At the very least on average.

Sentry is just as powerful as the Void though not anywhere near as ruthless.

Sentry/Void are far more powerful than Thor. It's been stated enough times about his power levels. Thor just doesn't compare.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he was still 90 percent Void during the latter part of the dark avengers.

Sentry is just as powerful as the Void though not anywhere near as ruthless.

Sentry/Void are far more powerful than Thor. It's been stated enough times about his power levels. Thor just doesn't compare.

I'm confused. What exactly are you addressing? And where was it shown or stated he was 90% Void at the end of the Dark Avengers? He was either regular Sentry, partial Voided out, or full on Void.

When stressed out and having a Void moment under Bendis, but other than that, no. His basically another high herald. Even under Bendis, when his eyes blacked out, and he defeated Molecule Man, the Sentry persona did not remember anything of what happened. Completely different power levels between hero/brick mode Sentry, and even Voided out Sentry. Heck, just look at the difference between his interactions with Thor. It progressively showed an increase in power.

1) Sentry in hero mode vs. Thor - He got knocked away like a pest.
2) Voided out Sentry vs. Thor - He was going toe to toe and even had Thor on the ropes.
3) Full on Void vs. Thor - He was above Thor in power.

I don't know how anyone can deny there's a difference in power between the two.

The modern continuity Void is more powerful than Thor but the Sentry isn't. Statements don't mean much, and while were on the topic, what statements specifically?

Sure he does.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm confused. What exactly are you addressing? And where was it shown or stated he was 90% Void at the end of the Dark Avengers? He was either regular Sentry, partial Voided out, or full on Void.

When stressed out and having a Void moment under Bendis, but other than that, no. His basically another high herald. Even under Bendis, when his eyes blacked out, and he defeated Molecule Man, the Sentry persona did not remember anything of what happened. Completely different power levels between hero/brick mode Sentry, and even Voided out Sentry. Heck, just look at the difference between his interactions with Thor. It progressively showed an increase in power.

1) Sentry in hero mode vs. Thor - He got knocked away like a pest.
2) Voided out Sentry vs. Thor - He was going toe to toe and even had Thor on the ropes.
3) Full on Void vs. Thor - He was above Thor in power.

I don't know how anyone can deny there's a difference in power between the two.

The modern continuity Void is more powerful than Thor but the Sentry isn't. Statements don't mean much, and while were on the topic, what statements specifically?

Sure he does.

The power levels are the same it's his mindset which limits him. Sentry at his best though to me is still with the Void calling the shots. it wasn't 100 percent Void which appeared at the end of siege so it still counts for the Sentry as well.

1)It was still Sentry with a strng hint o fthe void and he got knocked away while Thor got crushed before inferior opponents and he was talked down to by norman on his home turf on tv.

2)He crushed asgard while he easily restrained Thor which proves he can have his way with Thor and still dominate asgard at the same time.

3)Sentry and Void are both above Thor in power.

Statements made during siege, secret invasion bios, etc. all put the Sentry/Void on a much higher level than Thor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So this is another case where you dismiss both of the characters showings and comparisons and pretend the Surfer can challenge him.

You need to read their encounters because it's clear Surfer has no chance.

IMO regular sentry(non voided)is above thor in power but because of his persona wouldn't beat him in a fight.But even partialy voided out IMO he would beat thor.

T2 FTW.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
How am I dismissing showings?I know surfer is nothing to regular thanos.But that surfer isn't going all out.Full going out surfer would give thanos a fight but thanos would still win.Thanos is simply above surfer.I know that but you make it seem like surfer was fighting to the best of his abilities.

IMO regular sentry(non voided)is above thor in power but because of his persona wouldn't beat him in a fight.But even partialy voided out IMO he would beat thor.

T2 FTW.

Thanos is far too powerful for it to matter and when he connects Surfer goes down.