Originally posted by carver9
Stop using the Cell and USSJ Trunks as evidence when EVERYTHING involving DBZ proves you wrong. It was explained why trunks lost his speed. The reason Goku was faster than Nappa was due to the power level difference. The reason frieza was faster than Picollo was due to the power level difference. The reason frieza was more faster than Black hair Goku was due to the power level difference. The reason Super Saiyan Goku was more faster than none complete Frieza was due to the powerlevel difference. The reason Frieza became just as fast and as strong as Goku was due to him POWERING UP. I can go about this for days. Dont use one incident that was EXPLAINED as evidence to back your claim because its not helping you against someone that read the manga.Twirling your hammer at the speed of light doesnt mean that you are a person that can fight at light speed. Fighting people like Gladiator, Hyperion, and Silver Surfer doesnt mean you have light speed combat when you have people like Hulk doing the same things. 😆
Now again, show me Thor combating at the speed of sound CONTINUOUSLY.
It was explained as him not achieving the transformation correctly, trading speed for raw power. It proves my point, though: simply being more powerful or having a power level of such and such doesn't extend into you being x times faster than someone with a lower power level.
And again, you can't prove HOW FAST THEY ARE. You can't. You can't prove, quantifiably how strong or how fast these characters are physically. So saying they're millions of times faster than Thor is a joke. How do you know? You're guessing Carv. No way around it. Unless you can point me to a specific instance of someone in the manga or anime stating "______ moved past lightspeed" there's no reason to believe that they are. That would be like assuming the Flash moves at lightspeed in every comic he's in, which he clearly doesn't. Only difference is that Flash's speed is quite quantifiable and therefore holds more weight that the long and shaky chain of ABC DBZ logic.
Only Thor has reacted at lightspeed, so yes, it kinda does. Just because people don't fly around fighting like DBZ characters doesn't mean they don't possess FTL reflexes.
You can't even quantify how fast a DBZ character moves in a fight, Carver. You just cling to the "Oh, well, he's more powerful than this guy who beat this guy who in turn had this one maybe supersonic speed feat".
And you still can't get around ki draining, absorbing energy attacks, much less proving that they can even down Thor for the count with, again, highly speculated and unproven feats of strength.
Hell, you can't even support a single DBZ character without projecting another feat on him. 😬
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That was Goku at the beginning of Z, hence it went < Raditz < Vegeta, ect, you know, to get to CELL. Who this thread is about?also, Frieza didn't create nukes. 😐 And why should his explosions on planet with an atmosphere different from Earth's max out at mach 23?
Frieza didnt create nukes? I will show you in a minute. Its pretty obvious that Planet namek gravity was the same as earth because if it was any different, Bulma would have died.
Again, Goku as a child blocked machine gun bullets at super speed from 5 different shooters. Goku as a child at point blank range dodged machine gun fire at super speed. As a CHILD he had faster than sound reflexes. The same Goku that fought Nappa would see that Same Child Goku as a snail.
Again, I dont get what you are saying.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It was explained as him not achieving the transformation correctly, trading speed for raw power. It proves my point, though: simply being more powerful or having a power level of such and such doesn't extend into you being x times faster than someone with a lower power level.And again, you can't prove HOW FAST THEY ARE. You can't. You can't prove, quantifiably how strong or how fast these characters are physically. So saying they're millions of times faster than Thor is a joke. How do you know? You're guessing Carv. No way around it. Unless you can point me to a specific instance of someone in the manga or anime stating "______ moved past lightspeed" there's no reason to believe that they are. That would be like assuming the Flash moves at lightspeed in every comic he's in, which he clearly doesn't. Only difference is that Flash's speed is quite quantifiable and therefore holds more weight that the long and shaky chain of ABC DBZ logic.
Only Thor has reacted at lightspeed, so yes, it kinda does. Just because people don't fly around fighting like DBZ characters doesn't mean they don't possess FTL reflexes.
You can't even quantify how fast a DBZ character moves in a fight, Carver. You just cling to the "Oh, well, he's more powerful than this guy who beat this guy who in turn had this one maybe supersonic speed feat".
And you still can't get around ki draining, absorbing energy attacks, much less proving that they can even down Thor for the count with, again, highly speculated and unproven feats of strength.
Hell, you can't even support a single DBZ character without projecting another feat on him. 😬
I think you want to take some of your statements back because I can show you two incidents where it was stated that Z fighters can move at the speed of light. Then I can also show you Captain Ginyu moving so fast that he turned to light. Then I can show you Goku moving so fast during a blitz that he turned to light. So you might want to take this statement back "Unless you can point me to a specific instance of someone in the manga or anime stating "______ moved past lightspeed".
Thor cannot combat at the speed of light.
Originally posted by carver9
I think you want to take some of your statements back because I can show you two incidents where it was stated that Z fighters can move at the speed of light. Then I can also show you Captain Ginyu moving so fast that he turned to light. Then I can show you Goku moving so fast during a blitz that he turned to light. So you might want to take this statement back "Unless you can point me to a specific instance of someone in the manga or anime stating "______ moved past lightspeed".Thor cannot combat at the speed of light.
Show them. Ginyu flew so fast he turned into light, cool. Thor has moved faster than that. Thor has also thrown Mjolnir faster than light in many times of excess.
Not much to get here.
I'll go with quantifiable proof over guess work.
Originally posted by carver9
I think you want to take some of your statements back because I can show you two incidents where it was stated that Z fighters can move at the speed of light. Then I can also show you Captain Ginyu moving so fast that he turned to light. Then I can show you Goku moving so fast during a blitz that he turned to light. So you might want to take this statement back "Unless you can point me to a specific instance of someone in the manga or anime stating "______ moved past lightspeed".Thor cannot combat at the speed of light.
so, show it already
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Show them. Ginyu flew so fast he turned into light, cool. Thor has moved faster than that. Thor has also thrown Mjolnir faster than light in many times of excess.Not much to get here.
I'll go with quantifiable proof over guess work.
One sec, I will show you but as for your strength feat you asked for. Thor, Superman, etc... use their strength in a different fashion than DBZ characters. Goku doesnt go around picking up things but if you want a strength feat, I can give you one. How about gohun tapping his feat up and down during class creating a city level earthquake.
Originally posted by carver9Approving of it does not make everything in it canon, if it didn't happen in the manga, it's not canon. You are, apparently, with your blanket statement of the anime being as canon as the manga.
And the anime was approved by the writer and who is saying that anyone is including filler with my statement.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
so, show it already
Fast forward this to one minute and 56 seconds. Goku as a teen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fGdq5W499c
Would you like to hear another statement because I can keep going? Would you like to see Goku turn to light or would you like another statement?
Originally posted by Mindset
Approving of it does not make everything in it canon, if it didn't happen in the manga, it's not canon. You are, apparently, with your blanket statement of the anime being as canon as the manga.
I never said everything in it is cannon, only the part in the manga is cannon to me.
Originally posted by carver9
Fast forward this to one minute and 56 seconds. Goku as a teen.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fGdq5W499c
Would you like to hear another statement because I can keep going? Would you like to see Goku turn to light or would you like another statement?
And Thor's moved faster still, reacted faster, thrown Mjolnir faster, etc. So, yeah.
I could be an ass and just dismiss this statement like you've dismissed Thor's feats by saying "What the phuck does Yamcha know about anything?", but I think I proved my point.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And Thor's moved faster still, reacted faster, thrown Mjolnir faster, etc. So, yeah.I could be an ass and just dismiss this statement like you've dismissed Thor's feats by saying "What the phuck does Yamcha know about anything?", but I think I proved my point.
but, what does yamcha know? 😛
anyways, the question is if the translation is actually accurate from the original japanese language. we all know that somethings are always lost in translation. for example, in dbz cartoon, hell and death are replaced with "sent to the other dimenssion".
for reference, here's the original manga, and again, i have no idea how accurate the translations are.
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