Originally posted by carver9
LOL, so using his showing with Hulk, that makes you think he could solo Goku; LOL. I guess since Hulk has fought Gladiator, Hyperion, etc... he could hang with DBZ characters.Everything is thrown out the window as a low showing huh? What about the time Thor hammer collided with another hammer creating a nuclear type blast which again took the fight out of him; is that a low showing as well?
Show me Thor hammer homing in on someone that is moving as fast as Goku or any other Z fighter.
show me where it is stated that goku is movinng at lightspeed. not just speculations and assupmtions but pure hard evidence.
Originally posted by carver9No, it's not.
The anime is just as cannon as the manga since the writer approved of it and it was written DIRECTLY from the book. He was actually SHOCKED that they made the anime just like the way he was trying to represent it in the manga.
The anime has filler and in the dubs incorrect statements.
Just gonna highlight it takes less than a mach of speed to be beyond what someone can track visually. You can A>B>C with speed all through out the series and never conclusively come out with anythign you can prove to be more than a "bunch of times the speed of sound".
Also, there's no way they're gonna force the audience to sit there for hours waiting for something to happen to the moon.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
low showingsvector would solo goku using just his showings against hulk, not even his powered up version
beta ray bill would laugh at all of that
And I disagree and stop using Beta Ray Bill feats for Thor. Bill is a cyborg and Thor is an Asgardian. I can show plenty of feats from Bill disproving your case and argument.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i'm not falling for that "carver type" argument, you don't even know what vector is capable of
He beat up Hulk so I guess he can also do the same to Goku. 😕
I guess Vector can also solo Thor since recently Hulk took on the entire avengers that included Thor and was stomping them and then recently Hulk beat Thor to sleep with his own hammer.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, Carv wants us to show Thor hitting someone moving at a speed he can't even prove their moving at? 😆
Its speed much greater than Thor. As a child he slapped machine gun bullets out of the air with just a flick of his hand. As an adult he is millions of times faster and again, him outracing blast that made it to the moon in less than a second is proof enough for me.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Just gonna highlight it takes less than a mach of speed to be beyond what someone can track visually. You can A>B>C with speed all through out the series and never conclusively come out with anythign you can prove to be more than a "bunch of times the speed of sound".Also, there's no way they're gonna force the audience to sit there for hours waiting for something to happen to the moon.
Goku was going above the speed of sound as a teen. He is millions of times more stronger faster and more powerful than his teen self so speed of sound is out of the question. Hell, speed of sound was out of the question during the saiyan saga. By the way, do you have any on panel evidence of Thor fighting at the speed of sound? Dont show me him twirling his hammer; I want to see actual combat at the speed of sound.
Originally posted by carver9
Its speed much greater than Thor. As a child he slapped machine gun out of the air with just a flick of his hand. As an adult he is millions of times faster and again, him outracing blast that made it to the moon in less than a second is proof enough for me.
And Thor has deflected machine gun fire with Mjolnir, plucked darts out of the air, reacted at the last possible moment to avoid getting a possessed Mjolnir from crashing into his face, grabbed missiles in mid trajectory, etc.
And how the hell can you prove that Goku is millions of times faster as an adult without quantifiable speed feats? You can't. You can assume that he is, which is fine, but don't get surprised if people demand proof aside from heavy feat projection, ABC logic, and fan guess work on how strong and fast these characters are.
And Goku outracing a blast that made it to the moon < Thor flying at x3 lightspeed.
Originally posted by carver9
Goku was going above the speed of sound as a teen. He is millions of times more stronger faster and more powerful than his teen self so speed of sound is out of the question. Hell, speed of sound was out of the question during the saiyan saga. By the way, do you have any on panel evidence of Thor fighting at the speed of sound? Dont show me him twirling his hammer; I want to see actual combat at the speed of sound.
Prove he's millions of times stronger and faster. Power Levels measure overall fighting capacity and ki levels and are independent of things such as speed and physical strength. USSJ Trunks was more powerful than Cell, but far less faster.
You're basically demanding feats and quantifiable proof while being unable to support any of your own. Becoming a blur of motion =/= supersonic reflexes, much less lightspeed reflexes, which Thor has been proven to have.
Goku's above speed of sound, then Raditz is sliightly faster, and then Vegeta's faster, and then Burter is faster, and then Freiza, then the androids, then Cell.
Mach 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Cell could easily sit on mach 6. But I'm just making that number up, but it's plausible. Is it close to c? Nah.
It's also plausible to take it as high as mach 30, why not? but really, there's no way to quantify.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Prove he's millions of times stronger and faster. Power Levels measure overall fighting capacity and ki levels and are independent of things such as speed and physical strength. USSJ Trunks was more powerful than Cell, but far less faster.You're basically demanding feats and quantifiable proof while being unable to support any of your own. Becoming a blur of motion =/= supersonic reflexes, much less lightspeed reflexes, which Thor has been proven to have.
Stop using the Cell and USSJ Trunks as evidence when EVERYTHING involving DBZ proves you wrong. It was explained why trunks lost his speed. The reason Goku was faster than Nappa was due to the power level difference. The reason frieza was faster than Picollo was due to the power level difference. The reason frieza was more faster than Black hair Goku was due to the power level difference. The reason Super Saiyan Goku was more faster than none complete Frieza was due to the powerlevel difference. The reason Frieza became just as fast and as strong as Goku was due to him POWERING UP. I can go about this for days. Dont use one incident that was EXPLAINED as evidence to back your claim because its not helping you against someone that read the manga.
Twirling your hammer at the speed of light doesnt mean that you are a person that can fight at light speed. Fighting people like Gladiator, Hyperion, and Silver Surfer doesnt mean you have light speed combat when you have people like Hulk doing the same things. 😆
Now again, show me Thor combating at the speed of sound CONTINUOUSLY.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Goku's above speed of sound, then Raditz is sliightly faster, and then Vegeta's faster, and then Burter is faster, and then Freiza, then the androids, then Cell.Mach 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Cell could easily sit on mach 6. But I'm just making that number up, but it's plausible. Is it close to c? Nah.
It's also plausible to take it as high as mach 30, why not? but really, there's no way to quantify.
So how fast would you have to be to outrace a nuke while being in the heart of the blast?
Originally posted by carver9Explosions max out at Mach 23, IIRC.
So how fast would you have to be to outrace a nuke while being in the heart of the blast?
Also, in response to your earlier post, you cannot prove power level = linear speed progression. Captain Ginyu had a higher power level than Burter, know who was faster? Burter.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Explosions max out at Mach 23, IIRC.Also, in response to your earlier post, you cannot prove power level = linear speed progression. Captain Ginyu had a higher power level than Burter, know who was faster? Burter.
LOL, how was burta faster when he was unable to keep up with Goku with the aid of Jeice but Captain Ginyu was whipping goku ass in the beginning until Goku powered up?
LOL 😆
And I could have sworn you said Goku can only go the speed of sound but we have him outracing a nuclear blast that was created by frieza.