Originally posted by psycho gundam
kamahamaha isn't lightspeed so......and goku's dodging thing is indeed very fast, but let's not tack on the title of lightspeed so easily k.
burter's only speed feat was catching the dragonball vegeta threw before anyone realized he even moved,
but if you have ever thrown something against a wall and heard an echo, you realize how fast sound (are not so fast). burter could have been going 800 - 1000 mph and accomplished the same thing
Well, if you listen to Garrick in Final Crisis: "Time slows down at the point of light speed. Flash fact." And again, time Krillian and Vegeta appeared to be moving in slow motion from Burters perspective when he engaged his super speed.
Admittedly, Z feats in general are kind of vague. Gotenks speeding around the Earth multiple times in the Buu saga is the best example you'll likely find, and even that has problems as evidence.. But at the least they're well above your standard Earth fare. Guys like Luke Cage or Cyclops simply shouldn't be a problem for them, with herald levelers or speedsters with more solid feats being somewhat beyond them..
In the case of Thor, his personal speed feats are also vague enough and inconsistent enough where you can give the standard Superman argument: E.g., they have a maulers chance.
Either they overwhelm him with admittedly lesser, but still damaging attacks in the first few moments of the fight, or they fall. It's the same way I see Superman vs Thor...
I'll vote for Thor having the edge, at about 6-7/10, since he's tanked damage from Hulk and the like before.