The Walking Dead

Originally posted by KingD19
There's a difference between being the voice of reason, and being so unwilling to kill you endanger people you're supposed to protect as well as yourself. Not killing those Wolves who jumped him at his campfire in the first place is how they found Alexandria. Because he dropped his bag with the pictures in it.

Then he allowed several to get away. He could have murdered every single wolf in that 1 v 5 fight he was in. But he let them get away after pointing out the Wolves weakness to them, then let the one wolf get away with a gun. And what made it worse?! You realize Morgan had a loaded gun on his hip the entire time. He couldn't catch up so he just let them go. He didn't even try to shoot the one with the gun in the back. At least he could have stopped him.

Even the Alpha Wolf he fought in the house could have killed him because he was screwing around and refusing to seriously injure him. I mean...why would you apologize to a guy who is leading a band of people who are indiscriminately wholesale slaughtering everyone you care about in this world?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Thing is, Morgan is nothing like Herschel. Even Herschel understood the necessity of violence in the new world. Morgan reminds me of Dale, who like Morgan was trying to spout some kind of BS ethical code that meant not killing an obvious threat in the form of Randall.

Five seasons in, the point has been made pretty damn clear that resorting to violence is the ONLY way to survive in this world. After everything we've seen with the Guv, Joe, Terminus, and the hospital, how do the writers at all expect us to root for Morgan's pacifism when they've already shown its not a viable tactic?

I think this may also lead to a problem

Spoiler:
regarding Negan, if they stick by the comic storyline. No way in hell will it seem smart for Rick to take him prisoner after what he does. No audience member would root for such a decision

It has been beaten into out heads for years now: if you aren't willing to kill, you will be killed. Simple. People, not Walkers, are the real threat these days... Hell, FTWD has already touched on that concept, and it's only 6 episodes deep in the very first season. srsly

Morgan's unwillingness to kill, and his shaming of those in the group that do(because they must), is ridiculous. As we've seen numerous times: there is rarely ever a 'less-than-lethal' option. If you don't kill your enemy now, they'll just try to kill you later.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
TBH, Merle should have been kept alive. He made TV show different and more interesting then comics. He could keep Rick in check and also be a big asset to the group at times. He would have made morality politics very interesting. But AMC storytellers aren't so bright.

I would have enjoyed seeing Merle and Carol talk shit whIle taking down Wolves.

Thank God the writer for season 3 who had Merle killed off got fired. Too bad the damage had already been done though regarding him. I could name probably at least a dozen moments from the past couple seasons that I would've enjoyed more if Merle were still alive.

Morgan having the mentality that he does is just bad writing.

I honestly think Morgan is the way he is because he feels guilty for doing something uber ****ed up, which we'll see as the season progresses.

At least I hope so.

Well, I think there is something to Morgan's attitude. And it may have to do with staying human, retaining a sense of humanity. Because after all, by killing where is the difference between walkers and people?

I think this is an interesting theme. Because if survival can only be achieved by killing other people, you're basically doing te exact same thing the walkers are doing.

^ couldn't disagree more. I'll actually go as far as saying you're factually wrong.

zombies and bad people (like the wolves and the claimers) kill indiscriminately and for completely self-serving or immoral reasons.

Rick and co. only kill people when it's necessary for survival. The very fact that they didn't kill everyone in Alexandria and take it over means that they have retained their humanity... they want to be around good people.

name an instance where Rick and co. just killed people for no reason. you can't.

Walkers kill because of a biological need to eat and pass on the virus.

The Wolves didn't even attempt to parlay or ask for help. They just raided the place and tried to murder everyone as viciously as possible.

And it's Morgan's fault. Him trying to retain his "humanity" in your opinion is/has put a lot of innocent people at risk and ended up with them dead, because he refuses to kill.

His line of thinking isn't wrong, its just wrong for the world they live in.

Morgan is stupid, he already knows what happens when you don't kill something trying to kill you: it comes back and bites you in the face. Or your son's face.

Also, if that gun does what I think it will, I hope Rick ****ing kills him.

I guess y'all were hoping for a return of season 3 Morgan, decked out in armor and having an entire town boobie-trapped? 😛

Eh, I disagree with his mentality too but still appreciate having his character around again.

Originally posted by queeq
Well, I think there is something to Morgan's attitude. And it may have to do with staying human, retaining a sense of humanity. Because after all, by killing where is the difference between walkers and people?

I think this is an interesting theme. Because if survival can only be achieved by killing other people, you're basically doing te exact same thing the walkers are doing.

This reminds of that spell Rick went thru when he was willing to literaly kill every one around him just to keep Carl and Judith safe.

This show is just stupid.

^ that literally never happened

Originally posted by marwash22
^ that literally never happened

Yes it did. It was around that time when Rick went KooKoo for Coco Puffs and was taking to his dead wife on the phone. He didn't actively go around killing everyone but his mentality at the time was going in that direction.

It wasn't though.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]This reminds of that spell Rick went thru when he was willing to literaly kill every one around him just to keep Carl and Judith safe.

This show is just stupid. [/B]

I will drown you in a river of your own blood.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Yes it did. It was around that time when Rick went KooKoo for Coco Puffs and was taking to his dead wife on the phone. He didn't actively go around killing everyone but his mentality at the time was going in that direction. [/B]

👆

So yeah,

Spoiler:
Glenn

Completely unexpected, tbh.

Wooooooooow.