How did that zombie fit an entire adult corpse in his stomach? Do zombies take shits to make room for more? And if so, where is the giant pile of Lori poop? And why does no other zombie in the show bother finishing off an entire corpse, bones and all? Next episode we'd better get to see zombie Lori crawling around with legs or something.
Originally posted by Lord LucienMaybe he wasn't the only one to eat her.
How did that zombie fit an entire adult corpse in his stomach? Do zombies take shits to make room for more? And if so, where is the giant pile of Lori poop? And why does no other zombie in the show bother finishing off an entire corpse, bones and all? Next episode we'd better get to see zombie Lori crawling around with legs or something.
What an interesting episode....
Rick trying to re-bond with his wife. Especially after what we saw with the Governor and his daughter.
He tried to stab her out of the zombie that ate her.....yet re-found his bond with her through a simple telephone. Awkward yet genius.
Kind of a send out to the modern day I-Generation. Love is only a phone call away.
Originally posted by Robtard
Being taken against her will is a good reason to *****. Being denied her weapons is a good reason to *****. Asking the obvious of why a bunch of armed men(the National Guards) with vehicles didn't just drive away and instead decided to presumably get eaten. Michonne has good reasons to suspect.You got issues, dude.
Terrible reasoning.
Merle finds these two people hiding in the bushes with weapons looking on at his group, and the group themselves have no idea who these people are and for safety purposes has to assume they are a potential threat from a larger group sending them to scout.
Merle at least sees that one of them is actually a past-acquaintance, and then they both get taken to their refugee center where they are both cared for. Andrea was f*cking dying on the road, she gets taken in and nursed back to health.
That act is not reason enough to 'suspect' anyone. As Merle said, its a new world. Caution is survival. --It's not like Rick's group didn't act the same way towards the prisoners. Weapons being taken, again precaution. Obviously, they would have eventually been given back if they earned trust with the group. As was the case with Merle, he was a new recruit at one time and now he has a right to bear weapons. In fact, the governor was offering just that, her sword, if she would agree to join the research team.
Michonne just came across as a mewling, pouty toddler bytch that got her toy taken away from her while she was looking at her sword the whole time on the shelf.
So, we've gone over the initial taking to their refuge as not being a sole cause alone to suspect anyone, as it did in-fact end up being an overly kind service to BOTH of them. Andrea was dying from a flu/fever on the road, Michonne was burdened with her, and Woodbury took care of them both. So there. Not a valid point.
Another one? Michonne then shifted her suspicion to the visual she saw of the governor killing those guys (that were actually dead) in the helicopter crash. She thought he was killing injured men through her obscured vision through the long grass. She did not know that they had just re-animated as zombies, because both her and Andrea believed that only happened if you got bit--which the two men were not. So, another strike for Michonne. She got her reasons of suspicion completely shut down because she was ignorant of some crucial facts.
What happens? She continues to insist on having these suspicions with absolutely no overt reason to do so, whatsoever.
Woodbury at a glance cannot be mistaken as anything other than a nice place unless you're a psycho like Michonne. There are women and children, even dogs, all clean, well fed and content. She cannot find anything wrong, yet she insists on moping.
Eventually we get to the scene of her inspecting the army jeeps. A bullet hole? OH WOW. Such a smoking gun for her to extrapolate from. Her probing questions, all of them got readily plausible answers. Bullet holes? Of course, its a post-apocalyptic world, they could have come across any number of bandits that might have put a dent or two in their jeeps as a desperate attempt to get at their supplies. How did all those soldiers get overrun by walkers and not one of them got away? Well, its happened before to soldiers all over the nation now at various camps has it not? She had no idea what their exact situation was--maybe they were camped in a dense forest and got attacked at night. She has no idea what their situation was. The Governor's response thus was a completely plausible one as well. All of her wonderful, supposedly insightful, probing questions were met with completely plausible responses. Could she poke holes into anything he said? Absolutely not. She was not capable of that. That's why she all we got from her in the end was a one-liner.
So, she continues her moping based on absolutely nothing concrete thus far, why? We find out why when she just happens to come across those penned up walkers. Ah, finally she comes across something concrete to say there are cracks in Woodbury's visage.
Now, that certainly comes across as highly questionable but she has no idea what they are there for in the first place. These people aren't idiots, afterall, they know what walkers are and what they are capable of (afterall they knew about everyone being infected and she did not), she also knows they have a scientist in their ranks who has been trying to learn more about them--thus that alone can't be used as damning evidence when she doesn't have a complete picture. It's definitely not a pretty thing, and thus its not something the Governor or anyone logical as a leader would feel the need to reveal to just anyone who doesn't need to know, but obviously there would be a reason.
Anyway, moving on, that scene with her letting the walkers out. We realize why then she was moping around in a place as awesome as Woodbury; She is insane. She actually gets enjoyment out of the whole zombie slaying thing. We see her mouth curl into a near smile when they are coming towards her, but then the Talking Dead segment after the show clarified it entirely and said that was a flash of happiness on her face because she was in her 'element'. Michonne was never, ever willing to give this place a chance. She was trying to get out from the moment she got in, and looking for reasons to support her stance. Even from the moment of not having any reason to suspect anything, she did so.
Michonne is crazy, and we know that as the viewers now. Thus it shouldn't come as a surprise if an actual character on the show that has had a lot of dealings with her (Andrea), could come to the same conclusion as well and start to question her judgement. After all, it must be extremely annoying as hell for Andrea when Michonne is unable to actually articulate a reason for them to leave. She's been given plenty of time to do so, yet cannot do anything but give vague statements. She can provide no coherent argument as to why. She's simply ending up looking paranoid as hell. She talks about them not being able to leave unless they allow them to, well of course Michonne you phucking idiot--there's a gate there for the whole town's safety which has to be opened on someone's order. OF COURSE you can only leave when allowed to. On the other hand, it's not like having two more mouths to feed are beneficial for the town to have in the first place. Again, she's looking like a paranoid idiot. Maybe if she could uncover a plot that Andrea and her are about to killed, she'd be able to provide a sufficient reason for her to leave.
Seriously, you need to stop judging these situations as all-knowing viewers. That's not a realistic way to appraise these scenes, as these people don't know the whole spectrum as you do. That's really the only reason at all to support Michonne over Andrea at all, simply because you as the viewer are given the reason to believe she is going to end up looking correct with her magical plot-no-jutsu quasi-omniscient judgement powers.
Andrea's choice for staying in Woodbury is the sane choice. Going back out on the road with Michonne, living off scraps, having no clean clothes, possibly almost dying from a fever again, that's the idiotic choice. The comforts of Woodbury are worth having an off-kilter behind the scenes leader. The Governor works for the greater good at least, and he's brought all these people together and made them happy. He's easily the most resourceful and successful person we've seen in this show thus far. Much as it pains me to say, even more than the Ricktator.
Oh, and how bright is Michonne for openly showing her distrust for the Governor? A person in power, who you think is crooked, and has the power to put you down is not the person that you by your lonesome are supposed to openly show your contempt and mistrust for. That kind of behavior is inviting trouble. But wait, I'm guessing she's confident because she carries a Katana. No weeaboo in their right mind is afraid of bullets right? 🙄
Granted, Andrea is stupid for falling in love with a virtual stranger within a few days, but that's just general stupidity. It'd be stupid for her to do so with anyone she's only known for that long, not simply because its the governor whom we know is disturbed. Again, the latter is judging too strongly from a purely viewer standpoint. Andrea's not 'stupid' for not being privy to the same information that we are as viewers, she's stupid for behaving like a woman would in this scenario. vin
Seriously, I've been through all of this before, and none of Michonne's defenders can ever seem to make a valid point. I'm not really sure why it seems expected that she was going to get a nothing but love. Maybe because they expected a gimmick of some stupid ninja samurai weeaboo carrying a katana to resonate with everyone as 'cool'. She's a stupid gimmick. A checklist of bad tropes and cliches. Maybe one day she'll end up being an actual character that makes sense, but for now she's complete shit. Nothing but a scowl and a sword. That does not make you a good character. Anyone could fill the Michonne role in this show--Male or Female--and they would be just as shit as her. The role itself is terrible. If say Glenn had her role, he'd be just as shit, probably even more so as he'd be an Asian fulfilling a lame stereotype fantasy.
I don't read the comics, but it seems to me a lot of Michonne defenders have crossed over from there, where a lot more is known about her, and a lot more is known about the governor, and letting that bias their judgement before everything has completely played out the way it will in the tv show--which is unlikely to be the same. If anything it will be a lot more nuanced, making things muddier to judge than what such simple black and white outviews can allow for.
But, as of right now, TV Michonne is a terrible 'character'.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Terrible reasoning.(had to edit, as it wouldn't let me post with your wordwall)
Nope. You're utterly reaching and trying to find reasons to hate her. Stop.
You're acting like this happened in Boise Idaho on a sunny average day. It's the ****ing ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE, people to people dynamics have changed.
Being distrustful of strangers is smart, as it's dog-eat-dog world now. Why you have no problem with Rick and crew being distrustful of Axel and the new token black guy, yet rip on Michonne for being distrustful is both strange and telling.
As far as your downplay of just a "bullet hole", it was obviously more than just a bullet hole.
1) There was blood splatter consistent with bullet wounds
2) Zombies don't use guns
3) And the smack in your face obvious: Why in the **** didn't a bunch of well armed men in military vehicles just drive away if the supposed zombie horde was overwhelming in size?
So yeah, you're simply wrong and scraping the barrel to hate her as shown. She has reasons to not trust these people, especially after a sort stay.
Originally posted by Robtard
Nope. You're utterly reaching and trying to find reasons to hate her. Stop.
No, you're incapable of actually addressing any of the above points.
You're acting like this happened in Boise Idaho on a sunny average day. It's the ****ing ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE, people to people dynamics have changed.
Wonderful. You're actually agreeing with something I said.
Being distrustful of strangers is smart, as it's dog-eat-dog world now.
Again. Wonderful. You're agreeing with something I said. In which case you negate your own initial argument of them being wary of Michonne and Andrea when they come upon them hiding in the grass with weapons as a reason for counter suspicion. Afterall, they were just being smart, which both Andrea and Michonne should be able to appreciate, right?
What happens right after that though? They realize they are in a well-fortified refuge, and they are being given clean clothes, water, food, and can Andrea or her find any ulterior motive for them doing so? No. They cannot.
Why you have no problem with Rick and crew being distrustful of Axel and the new token black guy, yet rip on Michonne for being distrustful is both strange and telling.
What is strange or 'telling' about anything here? My stance has revealed that practical suspicion is good is it not? Michonne's suspicion extends beyond that. Even Andrea was suspicious, but she's not idiotic enough to turn down help that saved her life, which, again, we are shown no ulterior motive for them helping them. They could have simply killed them on the spot and saved themselves two more mouths to feed.
Also, lol at even thinking their situations are congruent as far as application of suspicion goes. Rick and Co happen upon a prison. And they meet prisoners. Prisoners. Who instinctively shouldn't be rendered trustworthy haphazardly even outside of an apocalypse. Rick and company have women and a kid in their group--emphasis on women, and he's dealing with prisoners.
What does Michonne see? She sees a community that came about by the Governor's leadership and decision making. And compared to the rest of the world out there, it is a real paradise. This paradise saved her friend Andrea's life with medical treatement, gave them running water, food, and clean clothes and a place to rest as long as they wished. The Governor's achievements in the end more than justify whatever means he used to finally help these vast group of people find peace, especially for these circumstances.
You, even if you knew of the Governor's issues, would not choose the outside world over Woodsbury, so long as you have a good feeling that the Governor is just looney behind doors and doesn't actually endanger anyone else in Woodsbury. You would choose Woodsbury--so long as you aren't afflicted by insane paranoia like Michonne is.
I really hope the 'telling' bit wasn't some actually serious attempt at a 'race card' pull or some shit. That's the stuff of weak troll fggtree, like we've seen from another couple of other regular customers in here. 😐
The issue isn't her exuding suspicion, jesus. The issue is her character is non-existent, terribly written, and she'll end up being right about the Governor's character by sheer happenstance of her magical, insane paranoia.
She's a scowl. And a sword. With no background, no changing facial expressions, or good lines at at all this point. One dimensional as hell. This does not a good character make. Like I said again, maybe she'll evolve into a character later, but she'll always have this disgraceful arc with Woodsbury where she was completely inarticulate in voicing any coherent argument for why Andrea should leave Woodsbury and having no character at all, and being revealed to be insane in that she prefers the wild with zombie slaying (which we know actually gives her some happiness), as opposed to having food, shelter, a bed to sleep on and a roof over her head with no apparent strings attached other than the obvious, unspoken assumption that she'll abide by the rules of the town.
As of right now, she's nothing but a stupid pseudo comic book/manga fantasy character trying to mesh in a show about actual human realism.
As far as your downplay of just a "bullet hole", it was obviously more than just a bullet hole.1) There was blood splatter consistent with bullet wounds
2) Zombies don't use guns
3) And the smack in your face obvious: Why in the **** didn't a bunch of well armed men in military vehicles just drive away if the supposed zombie horde was overwhelming in size?
Oh. Dear me. Let's see. There are soldiers. With guns. Bullets as we know, don't differentiate between friends and allies either while they are flying in a frenzy. We also know that zombies bleed as well. The scenario given is that they were overrun by walkers. We also know that zombies aren't the only threat out there. Michonne also has no way of aging any blood splatter she might have seen to check out whether it matches up with the time frame of the Governor finding the supposedly overrun men. We also know that entire squads of soldiers have been overrun already in the show, even before these men. Michonne also has absolutely no idea what the numbers and condition of the men were when they were supposedly overrun, nor where they might have been positioned to make one soldier driving away a sure-fire possibility, nor does she know the actual mental fortitude of these men, whom really may have not been willing to leave behind his men and flee off alone. Michonne also cannot poke holes into anything the Governor said, as they were all plausible scenarios, and as well as that, it is fully enforced when she couldn't even bring herself to try to use her 'hunch' as proof for Andrea to leave--obviously because she knew it was not proof.
You're letting the issue of you being a viewer and personally knowing the Governor killed those men cloud your judgement, and making you think that because Michonne suddenly has this magical knowledge and certainty about how events went down without any ability to concretely pull together evidence to say so, make you think she's some sort of brilliant detective character or something. Lol. No. She's just a bad Mary Sue, who's able to do and know the implausible with no logical reasoning as to why.
So yeah, you're simply wrong and scraping the barrel to hate her. She has reasons to not trust these people, especially after a sort stay.
She had no further reasons to distrust these people after they did well by her and gave her food and water and saved her from being burdened by a sick Andrea on the road--whom they also treated with their nurse and brought back to health.
Could she find an ulterior motive for them lending them a helping hand? No. Absolutely not. Again, maybe if she found out some plot that her and Andrea were in mortal danger from assassination attempts or Woodsbury was planning to go cannibal on them or something, THEN she'd have a point for wanting Andrea and her to get out of there. But she couldn't find anything. She could only find what she felt was a trace that the Governor is less than clean in situations dealing outside of Woodsbury with the jeep thing. And that was never concrete to being with, and that was the only thing she could find without going around outright breaking and entering buildings and such. Once more, we KNOW Michonne is crazy, and enjoys the zombie slaying bit. --Therefore even from the viewer point of view we can't admit she's very credible in her decisions.
She continued to look for reasons to buck against the governor because she's crazy and enjoys being out on in the wilds.