Originally posted by CosmicComet
No, you're incapable of actually addressing any of the above points.Wonderful. You're actually agreeing with something I said.
Again. Wonderful. You're agreeing with something I said. In which case you negate your own initial argument of them being wary of Michonne and Andrea when they come upon them hiding in the grass with weapons as a reason for counter suspicion. Afterall, they were just being smart, which both Andrea and Michonne should be able to appreciate, right?
What happens right after that though? They realize they are in a well-fortified refuge, and they are being given clean clothes, water, food, and can Andrea or her find any ulterior motive for them doing so? No. They cannot.
What is strange or 'telling' about anything here? My stance has revealed that practical suspicion is good is it not? Michonne's suspicion extends beyond that. Even Andrea was suspicious, but she's not idiotic enough to turn down help that saved her life, which, again, we are shown no ulterior motive for them helping them. They could have simply killed them on the spot and saved themselves two more mouths to feed.
Also, lol at even thinking their situations are congruent as far as application of suspicion goes. Rick and Co happen upon a prison. And they meet prisoners. Prisoners. Who instinctively shouldn't be rendered trustworthy haphazardly even outside of an apocalypse. Rick and company have women and a kid in their group--emphasis on women, and he's dealing with prisoners.
What does Michonne see? She sees a community that came about by the Governor's leadership and decision making. And compared to the rest of the world out there, it is a real paradise. This paradise saved her friend Andrea's life with medical treatement, gave them running water, food, and clean clothes and a place to rest as long as they wished. The Governor's achievements in the end more than justify whatever means he used to finally help these vast group of people find peace, especially for these circumstances.
You, even if you knew of the Governor's issues, would not choose the outside world over Woodsbury, so long as you have a good feeling that the Governor is just looney behind doors and doesn't actually endanger anyone else in Woodsbury. You would choose Woodsbury--so long as you aren't afflicted by insane paranoia like Michonne is.
I really hope the 'telling' bit wasn't some actually serious attempt at a 'race card' pull or some shit. That's the stuff of weak troll fggtree, like we've seen from another couple of other regular customers in here. 😐
The issue isn't her exuding suspicion, jesus. The issue is her character is non-existent, terribly written, and she'll end up being right about the Governor's character by sheer happenstance of her magical, insane paranoia.
She's a scowl. And a sword. With no background, no changing facial expressions, or good lines at at all this point. One dimensional as hell. This does not a good character make. Like I said again, maybe she'll evolve into a character later, but she'll always have this disgraceful arc with Woodsbury where she was completely inarticulate in voicing any coherent argument for why Andrea should leave Woodsbury and having no character at all, and being revealed to be insane in that she prefers the wild with zombie slaying (which we know actually gives her some happiness), as opposed to having food, shelter, a bed to sleep on and a roof over her head with no apparent strings attached other than the obvious, unspoken assumption that she'll abide by the rules of the town.
As of right now, she's nothing but a stupid pseudo comic book/manga fantasy character trying to mesh in a show about actual human realism.
Oh. Dear me. Let's see. There are soldiers. With guns. Bullets as we know, don't differentiate between friends and allies either while they are flying in a frenzy. We also know that zombies bleed as well. The scenario given is that they were overrun by walkers. We also know that zombies aren't the only threat out there. Michonne also has no way of aging any blood splatter she might have seen to check out whether it matches up with the time frame of the Governor finding the supposedly overrun men. We also know that entire squads of soldiers have been overrun already in the show, even before these men. Michonne also has absolutely no idea what the numbers and condition of the men were when they were supposedly overrun, nor where they might have been positioned to make one soldier driving away a sure-fire possibility, nor does she know the actual mental fortitude of these men, whom really may have not been willing to leave behind his men and flee off alone. Michonne also cannot poke holes into anything the Governor said, as they were all plausible scenarios, and as well as that, it is fully enforced when she couldn't even bring herself to try to use her 'hunch' as proof for Andrea to leave--obviously because she knew it was not proof.
You're letting the issue of you being a viewer and personally knowing the Governor killed those men cloud your judgement, and making you think that because Michonne suddenly has this magical knowledge and certainty about how events went down without any ability to concretely pull together evidence to say so, make you think she's some sort of brilliant detective character or something. Lol. No. She's just a bad Mary Sue, who's able to do and know the implausible with no logical reasoning as to why.
She had no further reasons to distrust these people after they did well by her and gave her food and water and saved her from being burdened by a sick Andrea on the road--whom they also treated with their nurse and brought back to health.
Could she find an ulterior motive for them lending them a helping hand? No. Absolutely not. Again, maybe if she found out some plot that her and Andrea were in mortal danger from assassination attempts or Woodsbury was planning to go cannibal on them or something, THEN she'd have a point for wanting Andrea and her to get out of there. But she couldn't find anything. She could only find what she felt was a trace that the Governor is less than clean in situations dealing outside of Woodsbury with the jeep thing. And that was never concrete to being with, and that was the only thing she could find without going around outright breaking and entering buildings and such. Once more, we KNOW Michonne is crazy, and enjoys the zombie slaying bit. --Therefore even from the viewer point of view we can't admit she's very credible in her decisions.
She continued to look for reasons to buck against the governor because she's crazy and enjoys being out on in the wilds.
LoL, countered every point you made.
WTF? The point was that trusting people is not smart.
Nope. The Governor and company taking in Mochonne and Andrea under the "can't trust people" claus, in no manner of fashion makes Michonne's cautious attitude faulty. That's just stupid reasoning.
It's telling for given reasons. You have no problem with Rick and crew not accepting the convicts and being weary at first. Yet Michonne shows apprehension; she's a fail try-hard weeabo character, you're reaching to hate the character. It's not like she was at Woodbury for months and months and was still frowning.
And Michonne being a woman who has had to defend herself can't be distrusting of a community of mostly men in a world without laws? Especially one that took her in at gunpoint and took her weapons. Again, you're reaching to not like her.
No, not a race issue. I would have called you a racist if I felt it appropriate. You're just reaching to hate her, probably because she's popular.
Nope. Your scenarios while technically plausible, doesn't mean Michonne couldn't be suspicious of the Governor's story not adding up in regards to the National Guard guys. In fact, your "friendly fire" and "couldn't drive away" scenarios are more of a reach than Michonne suspecting the Governor and his men of being parasitic scavengers in this given setting. These guys would have survived how long now against the zombies? But they get surprised, freak out and overrun now, while in vehicles no less? That's just more reaching.
LoL, if she's "crazy", then you just refuted your entire basis for her being lame cos she acts irrationally.
Good job. Concession accepted.
One for the black delogation?
Originally posted by Galan007Huh. I just watched Highlander yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ1WyBGG_Vw
Spoiler:.
It sucked
Weakest episode of the season sadly.
On a different note, I'm still unsure how Michonne (prior to this episode) know the Governor and his town was evil. Sure, there were bullet holes in the car but that could have easily come from somewhere else. And she just assumes the Governor raped the girl because her name is in a book... eh... Don't get me wrong she is right to be suspicious, but it didn't take much for her to threaten the Governor.
Originally posted by -K-M-
I wish the Walking Dead used that song as their opening.
Nah, this would be a great Walking Dead song. "I follow the walking dead..."
I disagree about this episode being the weakest of the season. I thought it was one of the better ones. Granted, they've all been mixed with boring shit that's being dragged out because it's a long-ass show. But this had some of the most intense stuff. Michonne taking taking out those fu$kers was awesome. Merle being a deceptive dick was interesting. Merle coming upon Glenn and Maggie was fu$king intense. And yeah, they should have shot him in the head. They should have assumed he hasn't changed one bit. In fact, they probably should have assumed that he's only gotten worse. You can see this all building to a big climax.. I hate waiting from week to week, so this better pay off big time..
I think next season I'm just gonna wait for the DVD release, cuz commercials and cliffhangers drive me nuts. The condensed story-telling of movies has spoiled me, heh..