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TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol.
Once more: Kirkman gave a vague answer. Gimple did not. That said, just because Kirman's ambiguous answer is more recent by a single day does not mean it supersedes Gimple's extremely specific/direct/unambiguous answer. Clinging to the former like it proves...anything at all...borders on ridiculous. Like I said: "a few months" is a blanket comment that can mean something different to everyone-- you might take it to mean 2 months, I might take it to mean 8 months, and neither of us would, by definition, be wrong. Conversely, the punctilious statement: "6 or 7 months have passed" doesn't leave anything up to the imagination.
And as myself and a few others have pointed out: Gimple's answer, in conjunction with the numerous improvements we saw to the Prison in the first episode(added people, added structures, a government, developed crops, mature swine the group has raised since they were piglets, etc.) does conclusively suggest that 6-7 months have passed.
I honestly don't believe you really think that much could happen in a mere 2-3 months. It just seems like you don't want to admit that your stance makes no sense.

The problem is that Kirkman's interview happened more recently. We give precedence to the most recent turn of events.

Nope, your argument largely rests on dead pigs getting roided up for the 6-7 month time period to be conclusive.

I have clearly stated that I'll wait and see for myself in the next episode(s) whether Kirkman was right or Gimple. You on the other hand want to force your opinion down my throat as if it's an objective fact when it's not been confirmed yet. I clearly told you to agree to disagree if you have a problem with my stance, but it seems your real problem is with letting things go.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The problem is that Kirkman's interview happened more recently. We give precedence to the most recent turn of events.
Nope, your argument largely rests on dead pigs getting roided up for the 6-7 month time period to be conclusive.
I have clearly stated that I'll wait and see for myself in the next episode(s) whether Kirkman was right or Gimple. You on the other hand want to force your opinion down my throat as if it's an objective fact when it's not been confirmed yet. I clearly told you to agree to disagree if you have a problem with my stance, but it seems your real problem is with letting things go.

Lol, more recently by a single day. And again: it proves nothing at all-- ambiguous claims never do. Unambiguous answers are [obviously] more reliable than ambiguous answers... I shouldn't have to explain why.

You're ignoring what I've repeatedly stated. Again: Gimple's answer, in conjunction with(key words) the numerous improvements we saw to the Prison in the first episode(added people, added structures, a government, developed crops, mature swine the group has raised since they were piglets, etc.) does conclusively suggest that 6-7 months have passed. Gimple's answer by itself should have been more than enough proof for anyone with half a brain. I simply used the other evidence from the show to further solidify his answer for the...special... individuals among us. But if you'd rather cling to an extremely vague/ambiguous statement that doesn't tell us anything, in lieu of quantifiable evidence, then that is your prerogative.

Nah, you're just being purposefully obtuse because you can't simply admit that a 2-3 month gap makes no logical sense based on what we've already seen in the show(Gimple's answer notwithstanding.)

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, more recently by a single day. And again: it proves nothing at all-- ambiguous claims never do. Unambiguous answers are [obviously] more reliable than ambiguous answers... I shouldn't have to explain why.
You're ignoring what I've repeatedly stated. Again: Gimple's answer, in conjunction with(key words) the numerous improvements we saw to the Prison in the first episode(added people, added structures, a government, developed crops, mature swine the group has raised since they were piglets, etc.) does conclusively suggest that 6-7 months have passed. Gimple's answer by itself should have been more than enough proof for anyone with half a brain. I simply used the other evidence from the show to further solidify his answer for the...special... individuals among us. But if you'd rather cling to an extremely vague/ambiguous statement that doesn't tell us anything, in lieu of quantifiable evidence, then that is your prerogative.
Nah, you're just being purposefully obtuse because you can't simply admit that a 2-3 month gap makes no logical sense based on what we've already seen in the show(Gimple's answer notwithstanding.)

It's still more recent. Point proven. Nope, it only tells us that the answer is not set in stone.

Not really, the only thing that your argument truly rested upon is a bunch of steroid-pumped pigs. But still, since you're being so quippy about it, I'll address the rest of your points as well:
1) added people
Nope, not indicative of a half year gap. We already had a considerable number of people being added from the Woodubury survivors. The current prison populace isn't too much above that.
2) added structures
Again, not proof of anything either, as making these structures isn't that hard to do even if by one person also seeing his how Morgan did so on his own. A group as experienced as Rick's shouldn't be incapable of such in 2-3 month time period.
3) a government
Lol, now you're just grasping at straws here.
4) developed crops
Hershel already talked about doing so way back in season 3.
5) mature swine
Reiterating my previous reply:

How do you know for sure that said pig wasn't just captured by Rick as a semi-grown specimen, and that is why he was claiming that it's not a piglet anymore when asking Carl not to name them? On the same note, how do you even know for sure that Rick was simply using a generic form of colloquial conversation rather than him specifically telling us viewers that, "Hey, this full grown she-pig was a baby when it arrived here!". Not to mention that some breeds of domestic pigs can mature to butcher weight within 2-3 months as well, something that you clearly didn't take into consideration.

Gimple's claims don't supersede Kirkman's. Similarly, Kirkman's claims don't override Gimple's. Considering that it doesn't take someone with even half a brain to figure this out, I thought you would have caught up already. Clearly, I overestimated you.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah, you're just being purposefully obtuse because you can't simply admit that a 2-3 month gap makes no logical sense based on what we've already seen in the show(Gimple's answer notwithstanding.)

The irony is in a bafflingaly overload mode here. I merely stated that we should wait and see for ourselves if it's indeed true in the coming episodes. You on the other hand want to shove your opinion down my throat. I told you just agree to disagree and let's leave it at that. You have no right to use the word "obtuse" in that sentence, brother.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
It's still more recent. Point proven. Nope, it only tells us that the answer is not set in stone.
Not really, the only thing that your argument truly rested upon is a bunch of steroid-pumped pigs. But still, since you're being so quippy about it, I'll address the rest of your points as well:
1) added people
Nope, not indicative of a half year gap. We already had a considerable number of people being added from the Woodubury survivors. The current prison populace isn't too much above that.
2) added structures
Again, not proof of anything either, as making these structures isn't that hard to do even if by one person also seeing his how Morgan did so on his own. A group as experienced as Rick's shouldn't be incapable of such in 2-3 month time period.
3) a government
Lol, now you're just grasping at straws here.
4) developed crops
Hershel already talked about doing so way back in season 3.
5) mature swine
Reiterating my previous reply:
Gimple's claims don't supersede Kirkman's. Similarly, Kirkman's claims don't override Gimple's. Considering that it doesn't take someone with even half a brain to figure this out, I thought you would have caught up already. Clearly, I overestimated you.
The irony is in a bafflingaly overload mode here. I merely stated that we should wait and see for ourselves if it's indeed true in the coming episodes. You on the other hand want to shove your opinion down my throat. I told you just agree to disagree and let's leave it at that. You have no right to use the word "obtuse" in that sentence, brother.

Lol, you cling incessantly to a statement that proves absolutely nothing, just because it is a day more recent? That is just silly, and moreover, illogical.

Could the group have added numbers, structures, numerous improvements, and formed a government in a scant 2 months? If they were rushing to do so(which I HIGHLY doubt), it *might* be possible. However, they didn't have crops last season, yet had well developed crops this season-- this obviously means they started growing them during the hiatus. Crops, on average, don't grow that large in 2 months. They also didn't have pigs last season, yet had a mature swine this season-- this obviously means they raised the pig(which, as Rick confirmed, was a piglet when they first acquired it) during the hiatus as well. A piglet definitely didn't mature to that size in 2 months... And mind you: this is all secondary/irrelevant to Gimple flat-out telling us that 6-7 months have gone by.

What exactly isn't computing here? Why exactly do you think an overtly ambiguous comment from Kirkman which literally tells us nothing, and could mean something different to every single person who reads it, should take any sort of precedence over Gimple's explicit/direct/unambiguous/black&white answer? Rhetorrical question: it shouldn't, and it doesn't.

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Your line of logic...

Chris Hardwick: "How many guns does the group have access to?"
Scott Gimple: "They have 24 or 25 guns."

-A day later-

Random interviewer: "How many guns does the group have access to?"
Robert Kirkman: "We say "a few guns." Some people think a few is two, some people think a few is three. It's a vague answer.."

You: "Kirkman vaguely said that the group only has a few guns, so I'll assume they only have 2 or 3 until I watch more episodes. F*ck the exact answer Gimple gave us, and f*ck gathering a bit of logical info by watching the show itself!"
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Sorry, but I can't agree with that. I am, however, tired of this circular BS, so you can have the last word on this subject. 👆

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, you cling incessantly to a statement that proves absolutely nothing, just because it is a day more recent? That is just silly, and moreover, illogical.

Even quanchi112 never resorted to such a rinse and repeat tactic after having each and every one of his points systematically addressed on a point-by-point basis. What is indeed silly and illogical is you assuming one show runners opinion holds over another's, and using superficial examples from the show itself to indicate that it is indeed true.

Originally posted by Galan007
Could the group have added numbers, structures, numerous improvements, and formed a government in a scant 2 months? If they were rushing to do so(which I HIGHLY doubt), it *might* be possible. However, they didn't have crops last season, yet had well developed crops this season-- this obviously means they started growing them during the hiatus. Crops, on average, don't grow that large in 2 months. They also didn't have pigs last season, yet had a mature swine this season-- this obviously means they raised the pig(which, as Rick confirmed, was a piglet when they first acquired it) during the hiatus as well. A piglet definitely didn't mature to that size in 2 months... And mind you: this is all secondary to Gimple flat-out telling us that 6-7 months have gone by.

Are you selectively blind or what? I clearly showcased what a complex series of traps Morgan alone was able to make on his own in less than a year, and his craftmanship far and away exceeded any of the new fancies we've seen in the prison so far. As far as the internal shelter goes, they could have easily salvaged stuff from Woodbury, repaired the fence damage after driving out the walkers in the field in less than a week, so I don't know what your fanatical clinging to this point has to do with anything whatsoever. We already saw Hershel talking about planting crops like potatoes, tomatoes, and soy beans in the fields in Season 3. Rick mentioned the same thing to Tomas about the field being for the crops when he told them to clear the prison. You have absolutely no point to make regarding either crops or new traps and tenting zones, and your "government" point is just too laughable to be taken seriously. We're back to roided up pigs now, are we? How many times do I have to repeat the same argument, and how many times will you conveniently ignore it just to make it seem like your ground is more solid than mine? Stop clinging to Gimple's balls. I certainly didn't do so with Kirkman after hearing about Gimple's interview.

Originally posted by Galan007
What exactly isn't computing here? Why exactly do you think an overtly ambiguous comment from Kirkman which literally tells us nothing, and could mean something different to every single person who reads it, should take any sort of precedence over Gimple's explicit/direct/unambiguous/black&white answer? Rhetorrical question: it shouldn't, and it doesn't.

What in the holy phuck is wrong with you? I merely stated an opinion and gave my reasons for standing by said opinion, and when you couldn't agree to it, I amicably asked you to disagree. I believe that neither Kirkman nor Gimple's opinions supersede the other, but you seem to have a funny way of playing favorites with one over the other. It was done more recently, which is why logically it should be given more precedence, but I have made it clear that I don't favor one over the other and will wait for future episodes to decide for myself. Or have you not been following this conversation so far?

Originally posted by Galan007
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Your line of logic...
Chris Hardwick: "How many guns does the group have access to?"
Scott Gimple: "They have 24 or 25 guns."
-A day later-
Random interviewer: "How many guns does the group have access to?"
Robert Kirkman: "We say "a few guns." Some people think a few is two, some people think a few is three. It's a vague answer.."
You: "Kirkman vaguely said that the group only has a few guns, so I'll assume they only have 2 or 3 until I watch more episodes. F*ck the exact answer the other Producer gave us, and f*ck gathering a bit of logical info by watching the show itself!"
__________

Hahaha, look at you desperately trying to make yourself look as the smart guy and me as the dense one by exaggerating the difference in scale between Kirkman's answer and Gimple's.

Your example would have made more sense had you stuck with Gimple's original numbers of 6 to 7. Instead by going overboard with this 24-25 figure, you've unwittingly made yourself look...confused to say the least in the process.

Originally posted by Galan007
Sorry, but I can't agree with that.

You don't have to agree with anything, mate. Except for disagreeing, which I offered you a couple posts ago and chose to bypass for some reason. If an e-war is what you want, then an e-war is what you get. 👆

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Like I said, you can have the last word. I'm over the circular BS. 👆

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Moving on: does anyone have a theory on why the Governor has let them live peacefully all this time?

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Galan007
Like I said, you can have the last word. I'm over the circular BS.

Concession accepted. 💃

Originally posted by Galan007

Moving on: does anyone have a theory on why the Governor has let them live peacefully all this time?

I presume that he doesn't consider it worth either his time or effort to waste them all, except for maybe Michonne. Either that or he's planning a big move which'll be executed in the coming episodes. And there's always the 3rd possibility: he died and may or may not have become a walker.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Either that or he's planning a big move which'll be executed in the coming episodes.

This is what I'm thinking. I mean, he's had 6-7 months[😖hifty:] of prep, so when he attacks again it'll likely be an epic bloodbath just like it was in the comics.

I wonder what'll become of Judith when all of that goes down..?

ares834 Senior Member

Remember the Governor is pretty much on his own now. He doesn't have his army anymore so he can't attack like he did in the comics (unless he gets some more followers).

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Galan007
6-7 months[😖hifty:]

That doesn't bother me considering you already submitted to me.

Originally posted by Galan007

I wonder what'll become of Judith when all of that goes down..?

I believe she might end up becoming Walker-snack like her mother. And that may happen even without(or before) the Governor's Hail Mary assault on the prison.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by ares834
Remember the Governor is pretty much on his own now. He doesn't have his army anymore so he can't attack like he did in the comics (unless he gets some more followers).

He just has to say the right stuff and he'll ensnare people just like before.

...Although it's hard to imagine things playing out like that again. He's a complete lunatic nowadays.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Galan007
He's a complete lunatic nowadays.

Or, there's always the possibility that

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
he died and may or may not have become a walker.

Rikudo sennin Senior Member

A prison bloodbath like the one in the comics is a MUST!

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Or, there's always the possibility that

Possible? Maybe. I highly doubt it, though.

Imo, the show's Producers wouldn't just throw away such a good villain without letting him unleash even a quarter of the carnage displayed in the comics. He'll be back.

ares834 Senior Member

Yeah, no way would the writers kill the Governor off screen like that. He is still around for sure and likely biding his time until he can get his revenge.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Nope. Beth's poster currently indicates that about a 100 days have gone by without incident, but apart form that we don't know for sure. All that the show makers say is a "few months", they aren't specific on how few:http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/14/walking-dead-season-premiere-robert-kirkman/
Wrong, I have a problem with the pussification of a character that has been that way for way longer than Rick has flip-flopped back to being a goody two shoes for the second time in a row.
Carl was established as a bonafide badass in S3, there is no reason reduce him back to being a "good boy" just because his father all of a sudden decides to become a "human" again.

Talking Dead the guy said 6 mos. Sorry, kid. Watch the show at follows it so you won't say such silly little things.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by quanchi112
Talking Dead the guy said 6 mos. Sorry, kid. Watch the show at follows it so you won't say such silly little things.

Not confirmed yet. EP Kirkman also said that it's a vague answer in a more recent interview. Think.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Galan007
Possible? Maybe. I highly doubt it, though.
Imo, the show's Producers wouldn't just throw away such a good villain without letting him unleash even a quarter of the carnage displayed in the comics. He'll be back.

Hey, I'm just throwing out the possibility there. I agree that with the Governor there is a lot of potential yet to be explored.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

So is that weird little girl feeding them or what?

TheGodKiller True Killer

^Pretty obvious.

And

Spoiler:
those burnt bodies at the end of the ep

seemed to have the Governor written all over them.

On a sidenote, hooray for the return of

Spoiler:
badass Rick and Carl

.