Originally posted by Galan007I guess.
I thought he was upset because he hadn't been privy to said lessons..?
It's not like he needs instruction though, and it didn't make any sense for Carol to tell him not to tell his father if he was upset that he wouldn't be included. His dad doesn't want him to kill, he wants to kill, telling his dad about secret training on how to kill seems to go against his desires.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He is young and iirc it has been about 6 months and under the watchful eye of a father and the first showings of a return to community.No, you having a problem with a character change despite the logical reasoning behind it is ridiculous.
Wrong, I have a problem with the pussification of a character that has been that way for way longer than Rick has flip-flopped back to being a goody two shoes for the second time in a row.
Carl was established as a bonafide badass in S3, there is no reason reduce him back to being a "good boy" just because his father all of a sudden decides to become a "human" again.
Originally posted by DigiOf course these variables factor into a zombie's level of strength. A newly-converted zombie, for example, is going to be much stronger(pound for pound) than a several month old zombie, as its body(the muscles, mainly) hasn't decayed nearly as much.
So...all circumstances are the same? Zombie size, strength, leverage, etc. as well as the inherent randomness in any physical encounter? This seems like a stretch.
Aside from that, some zombies just come off as stronger than others-- the one who tore Dale's abdomen open is a prime example. If every zombie in TWD-verse were that strong, every one of the protagonists would be dead by now.
Originally posted by MindsetTbh, I don't know why Rick would be opposed to Carol teaching the kids how to kill zombies anyway. It's part of their daily life now.
I guess.It's not like he needs instruction though, and it didn't make any sense for Carol to tell him not to tell his father if he was upset that he wouldn't be included. His dad doesn't want him to kill, he wants to kill, telling his dad about secret training on how to kill seems to go against his desires.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerThe Producer interviewed on 'The Talking Dead' stated that 6-7 months have gone by since last season.
Nope. Beth's poster currently indicates that about a 100 days have gone by without incident, but apart form that we don't know for sure. All that the show makers say is a "few months", they aren't specific on how few:http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/14/walking-dead-season-premiere-robert-kirkman/
Originally posted by Galan007
It's not vague at all. If the show's Producer says 6-7 months have passed, then 6-7 months have passed.What record are you referring to?
Beth's 100 day record. Number of days without incident.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerWhat exactly is vague about the Producer telling us "6 or 7 months have passed"..?
Except it's vague. In that interview I linked, they maintain that it's unclear about the exact time that has passed, but they choose to refer it to as "few months". Few months can mean 2 months, 3 months, 6 months or seven months.Beth's 100 day record. Number of days without incident.
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...Am I missing something? 😕
Originally posted by Galan007
What exactly is vague about the Producer telling us "6 or 7 months have passed"..?
Originally posted by Galan007
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http://i.imgur.com/pYIplSo.jpg...Am I missing something? 😕
Originally posted by TheGodKillerI couldn't find any web-links. However, if you have DVR, you can just watch that episode of TTD again, or you can download it on pretty much any reputable torrent site-- I just did. PM me if you'd like that link.
I'd like to have a link regarding the exact quote where said producer mentioned that. Like the link which I provided.
Anyway, the comment is made by Executive Producer Scott Gimple at 2:04 into the show.
Chris Hardwick: "The tone is very comfortable coming back in after this season. So how much time has passed? Where are we? How long do you think they've been in this community and growing?"
Scott Gimple: "About 6 or 7 months have passed. They've slowly been putting together this community. They've been bringing in more people than just Woodbury. They do have this Council." Etc.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller👆
I misremembered that.
Originally posted by Galan007
I couldn't find any web-links. However, if you have DVR, you can just watch that episode of TTD again, or you can download it on pretty much any reputable torrent site-- I just did. PM me if you'd like that link.Anyway, the comment is made by Executive Producer Scott Gimple at 2:04 into the show.
Chris Hardwick: "The tone is very comfortable coming back in after this season. So how much time has passed? Where are we? How long do you think they've been in this community and growing?"
Scott Gimple: "About 6 or 7 months have passed. They've slowly been putting together this community. They've been bringing in more people than just Woodbury. They do have this Council." Etc.👆
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: How much time has gone by in-between the end of season 3 and the start of season 4?
ROBERT KIRKMAN: We say “a few months.” Some people think a few is two, some people think a few is three. It’s a vague answer.
That's why I believe it's vague. I don't believe that either Kirkman or Gimple's claims supercede the other, so I think we'll have to wait for the next couple of episodes to clarify this sh1t. /shrugs
Kirkman's statement is vague. Gimple's is not. Aside from that, if you simply look at the vast improvements made to the Prison as a whole, it's obvious that more than 2 months have gone by.
A blatant example of this is Carl/Rick's monologue pertaining to the group's pig, Violet..
Carl: "What's up with Violet?"
Rick: "Carl, I told you not to name them. They're not piglets anymore."
This implies that the group has raised Violet since she was a piglet. That being said, Violet was obviously more than 2 months old:
Just for a point of reference, here is what a 2 month old pig actually looks like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8fBurUufi0
Here is a 6 month old pig:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16832700/2.jpg.html
We can also look at the size of their crops, etc. Suffice to say, I'll side with Gimple's timeframe. No question.
I don't believe that Rick's admonishment of Carl naming the potential food sources of their new animal husbandry is indication of how much time has passed between the 2 seasons.
Nor do I consider the availability of crops(something which Hershel intended to do way back in S3's beginnings) is also an indication of a near half-year gap either.
But to each his own. Agree to disagree, I guess.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerThe group didn't have a pig last season. This season they do. Obviously Violet was acquired during the hiatus. Rick went on to comment that they'd raised Violet since she was a piglet.
I don't believe that Rick's admonishment of Carl naming the potential food sources of their new animal husbandry is indication of how much time has passed between the 2 seasons.Nor do I consider the availability of crops(something which Hershel intended to do way back in S3's beginnings) is also an indication of a near half-year gap either.
But to each his own. Agree to disagree, I guess.
Do you honestly believe a piglet can grow into a mature swine in a scant 2 months? If your answer is "yes", then they must have cut out the part in the show where we see Rick pumping mass amounts of steroids and growth hormones into the scraps they feed Violet, as it would be otherwise impossible for that amount of growth to occur in such a miniscule amount of time. 6-7 months is much, much more logical.
So yeah, aside from Gimple flat-out telling us how long it has been since last season, the time-frame he gave us makes sense based on what we saw. Kirkman's phrase "a few months" is laughably ambiguous, and could mean something different to everyone. That is why I find it... silly... that you are clinging to his comment as extensively as you are-- it certainly doesn't disprove(or supersede) Gimple's very clear/exact answer in the slightest.
Decent first ep of the season. Wondering if Michonne is indeed on Rick's cock or not.
As far as 'how much time passed', I would say 6+ months is highly feasible considering the farm, the implied stragglers they brought in, Hershel's comment on the farm and it being a sustained and viable food source and how much Karl grew(but Karl can be ruled out).
All that seem implausible if it's just a 'few month's ie less than 3-4.
Originally posted by Galan007
The group didn't have a pig last season. This season they do. Obviously Violet was acquired during the hiatus. Rick went on to comment that they'd raised Violet since she was a piglet.Do you honestly believe a piglet can grow into a mature swine in a scant 2 months? If your answer is "yes", then they must have cut out the part in the show where we see Rick pumping mass amounts of steroids and growth hormones into the scraps they feed Violet, as it would be otherwise impossible for that amount of growth to occur in such a miniscule amount of time. 6-7 months is much, much more logical.
So yeah, aside from Gimple flat-out telling us how long it has been since last season, the time-frame he gave us makes sense based on what we saw. Kirkman's phrase "a few months" is laughably ambiguous, and could mean something different to everyone. That is why I find it... silly... that you are clinging to his comment as extensively as you are-- it certainly doesn't disprove(or supersede) Gimple's very clear/exact answer in the slightest.
So no, using dead pigs to "conclusively" prove that exactly that much of time has passed between the 2 seasons is faulty, especially when we have another producer telling us more recently that the exact time frame is a vague answer as of yet. Let's wait for the next episode. Maybe you're right, maybe I am wrong, but unless it's confirmed for sure on the show itself, arguing simply based on the differing opinions of 2 different exec producers isn't the best course of action for either of us.
Lol.
Once more: Kirkman gave a vague answer. Gimple did not. That said, just because Kirman's ambiguous answer is more recent by a single day does not mean it supersedes Gimple's extremely specific/direct/unambiguous answer. Clinging to the former like it proves...anything at all...borders on ridiculous. Like I said: "a few months" is a blanket comment that can mean something different to everyone-- you might take it to mean 2 months, I might take it to mean 8 months, and neither of us would, by definition, be wrong. Conversely, the punctilious statement: "6 or 7 months have passed" doesn't leave anything up to the imagination.
And as myself and a few others have pointed out: Gimple's answer, in conjunction with the numerous improvements we saw to the Prison in the first episode(added people, added structures, a government, developed crops, mature swine the group has raised since they were piglets, etc.) does conclusively suggest that 6-7 months have passed.
I honestly don't believe you really think that much could happen in a mere 2-3 months. It just seems like you don't want to admit that your stance makes no sense.
