The Walking Dead

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Wei Phoenix One-Eyed Dragon Of Oshu

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I have been watching this show throughout. She transitions from a vulnerable woman who doesn't knows how to handle a gun to a Commando-level individual. How realistic is this?

During the prison session, she was ready to take on an angered Tyreese and survived on her out in the wild after Rick kicked her out.

As for the cracker, she fired it with a precision that a trained military officer would.

I understand that conditions shown in TWD can really force a person to toughen-up but come on, a layman doesn't magically equals a Commando in skills even in long-term.

The tough guys in the show were tough before the zombie-apocalypse started. They toughened-up further with experience and luck.

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If being realistic makes me sexist, so be it. I don't care about your remarks and sentiments.

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Oh, did I hurt your feelings?

In that case, no one should've been able to make that shot outside of Abraham and other army chick. Although neither of them are commando level.

There is no evidence that says that all of the tough ones were tough before the plague. Evidence shows that Michonne was an average mother with a lover and no training in combat. There is no evidence that shows that Morgan was a tough, action hero before the apocalypse. Rick was barely tough before the apocalypse. You have a problem with a woman who has spent a lot of time with Daryl, surviving in the wild alone? Tyreese survived even worse odds than that on numerous occasions.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your subtle attempts at trying to incite reactions from other men with feminist overtures and idiotic questions are problematic and portray you as an insecure looser of a feminist who cannot tolerate even constructive criticism about a fictional female character. You need to keep your unhealthy feminist preaching to yourself. This is an international community and I am not obligated to appease feminists on this board and neither did I sign-up to be answerable to feminists about my views about women in fiction and/or reality.

B/W I am not angry, I find your questions idiotic and devoid of common sense.

You asked me that why do I consider women useless and my point is that I don't. However, if you want to portray my statements as anti-women, you may continue, but I don't give a rat@ss about your judgment.

I will ask you again: Did I hurt your feelings?

You dropped the word "feminist" five times there during your diatribe and I'm not even a feminist, so thanks for proving my point 👆

You made it a point of making any usefulness women have, is to serve men in some fashion.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
In that case, no one should've been able to make that shot outside of Abraham and other army chick. Although neither of them are commando level.

Realistically, only a professional should be able to pull off that kind of shot in a single attempt. Depiction of this scene could be made more realistic for a person like Carol by her making lets say 3 attempts.

Carol was depicted like a Rambo in the 1st episode of Season 5 of TWD, IMO. Ironically, in a later episode, Carol remarked that she got really lucky. I assume that producers realized this error on their part to some extent and therefore the remark.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
There is no evidence that says that all of the tough ones were tough before the plague.

Tough people had no reason to act tough needlessly before the plague unless duty-bound or something.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Evidence shows that Michonne was an average mother with a lover and no training in combat.

Michonne had a sword and knew how to use it. Just because she had a family, doesn't means that she wasn't tough before the plague.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
There is no evidence that shows that Morgan was a tough, action hero before the apocalypse.

Morgan haven't done any Rambo stuff yet. He is smart though.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Rick was barely tough before the apocalypse.

Excuse me?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You have a problem with a woman who has spent a lot of time with Daryl, surviving in the wild alone?

I don't have a problem with existence and survival of Carol but I do find her character development as rushed and poor in the context of development of skills.

She was depending upon others in Season 1 and Season 2 and she suddenly turned in to a Rambo by Season 3. Even with some training from Daryl, this could not be possible.

Carol can have a good supportive role but it seems as if she is the toughest individual of the group based on how she had been promoted since Season 3. She can handle herself under most circumstances even when alone. The purpose of a GROUP in the first place is to make sure that people survive by helping each other, even the tough ones. Carol is somehow an exception and savior.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Tyreese survived even worse odds than that on numerous occasions.

Tyreese is physically very strong but he is also surviving due to support from the GROUP he is part of.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
You dropped the word "feminist" five times there during your diatribe and I'm not even a feminist, so thanks for proving my point 👆

You made it a point of making any usefulness women have, is to serve men in some fashion.


Are you ashamed of your real identity? Of you being a Feminist?

You behave and react like a Feminist and then you say that you are not one.

Once again, why should I give you "politically correct" statements to satisfy your Feminist curiosities?

You ask me tricky and idiotic questions and then you try to judge me on the points.

If you have insecurities about your identity, consult a professional who may guide you.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Are you ashamed of your real identity? Of you being a Feminist?

You behave and react like a Feminist and then you say that you are not one.

Once again, why should I give you "politically correct" statements to satisfy your Feminist curiosities?

You ask me tricky and idiotic questions and then you try to judge me on the points.

If you have insecurities about your identity, consult a professional who may guide you.

Oh, you got me there. You called me a "feminist" again.

"Are you Middle Eastern?" is a "tricky" question now? LoLz.

It's clear to everyone you have a problem with women being depicted as equal or god forbid superior to men.

eg You have no problem with Rick going from small-town-sheriff-nobody to Mr. Murdermachine in a few seasons, but Carol fires a rifle at a massive propane tank and that's somehow not "realistic" of what a woman could do.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
Oh, you got me there. You called me a "feminist" again.

I am pointing out your real identity.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Are you Middle Eastern?" is a "tricky" question now? LoLz.

No.

This is:

Why do you hate women and consider them useless?

Originally posted by Robtard
It's clear to everyone you have a problem with women being depicted as equal or god forbid superior to men.

And now you are proving my position about yourself that you are a Feminist and carry Feminist agenda in every discussion related to women in fiction or reality.

My constructive criticism of character of Carol is suddenly a challenge to the philosophy of equality of sexes? Are you nuts or something? Perhaps you are.

Originally posted by Robtard
eg You have no problem with Rick going from small-town-sheriff-nobody to Mr. Murdermachine in a few seasons, but Carol fires a rifle at a massive propane tank and it's somehow not "realistic" of what a woman could do.

So small-town Sheriffs are not tough, have no professional training in use of firearms and handling opponents, and/or have no experience of coping with danger and tough situations? Does anybody recall the story that inspired the movie Walking Tall?

Based on the games that I played, Shane seemed like a tough guy, I would expect Rick to be as well.

Carol's firing towards a tank with rifle was never the point of contention. You are not paying attention it seems, rather reacting like an emotional Feminist which is not surprising since you are one.

Robtard Senor Member

And my real identity is?

You're basing things on "games you played"? 😂

Stop dancing. You called Carol a "Commando" because she uses a rifle. Anyhow, everyone is mocking you, read back. You clearly have a low opinion of women.

"Women are important to men in various ways and are unlikely to be useless for them." VERY telling of your silly views.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
You're basing things on "games you played"? 😂

An official TWD game which provides some backstory to Shane.

Also, I would bet on the chances of a competent Sheriff at coping with/and tackling TWD style danger then that of layperson woman with little training/experience, in real life.

Originally posted by Robtard
Stop dancing. You called Carol a "Commando" because she uses a rifle. Anyhow, everyone is mocking you, read back.

"Women are important to men in various ways and are unlikely to be useless for them." VERY telling of your silly views.


2 persons are not everybody.

You stop reacting like an emotional whinny Feminist to constructive criticism about a fictional female character.

My point of contention is not about Carol using a rifle. You don't have a clue of what you are talking about, rather derailed this thread with your politically correct Feminist agenda.

Robtard Senor Member

You're upset that Carol is "Commando-level", those were your words, now you're dancing because everyone is mocking you for hating women.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
You're upset that Carol is "Commando level", those were your words, now you're dancing because everyone is mocking you for hating women.

Carol transitioned from a Housewife to a Rambo/Commando in a single Season and I find this character development unrealistic. In-fact, this doesn't happen in the novel and I don't like Carol's depiction in the novel either; the novel version commits suicide by getting bitten from a Zombie just because she is rejected by someone for love.

These views make me a woman-hater now? Insecurity of Feminists is really preposterous.

Robtard Senor Member

Incorrect. Carol has slowly gone from useless and abused housewife to survivor over the course of 5 seasons.

You clearly can't handle this and it's clear to everyone now with your silly comments that you have issues with women.

"Women are important to men in various ways and are unlikely to be useless for them." -you

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
Incorrect. Carol has slowly gone from useless and abused housewife to survivor over the course of 5 seasons.

This is your perception and you are entitled to it.

However, my perception is different from yours regarding Carol's character development which I find rushed and unrealistic.

Carol's Rambo-ism began in Season 3 by the way, and swiftly. This wasn't a slow transition. Also, she is not just a survivor, rather the survivor since she managed to survive on her own for many days after Rick kicked her out from the Group with apparently inadequate training in combat and lack of physical toughness of a strong man. In comparison, most are depending upon others for survival and have formed GROUPS for this purpose. Not even the Governor could survive on his own for long alone.

Originally posted by Robtard
You clearly can't handle this and it's clear to everyone now with your silly comments that you have issues with women.

"Women are important to men in various ways and are unlikely to be useless for them." -you


I don't have an issue with depiction of tough women in TWD, as an example; I was rather disappointed by short-term survival of a female soldier who was killed during Prison raid in anti-climatic fashion, she had potential.

However, just because I am being critical of Carol's character, doesn't means that I hate women or something.

You are an insecure Feminist who asked me silly and tricky questions earlier and is using one of my statements in misleading ways.

Robtard Senor Member

And now you have a problem with Carol surviving by herself for a bit because she's a woman. Protip: being alone in a survival situation isn't always a negative. eg She'd not easily attract zombies and potentially harmful people like larger group could.

You do realize that every time you say "Feminist" in the fashion that you are, you come off sounding like a complete asspipe and you've done it over tens times now, yeah?

Badabing Gym rat

Can everybody please get back on topic. If I have to come in here again it won't be pretty.

Ridley_Prime Smug icon slayer

Never in a long time have I seen one's masculinity be/feel so threatened by a woman using a big gun and causing a little explosion... Priceless, and the poor attempts of denying it just make it more funny.

edit: Sorry, didn't see the above reply about getting back on topic. Must've been right when I posted. Okay, I'll shut up now.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
And now you have a problem with Carol surviving by herself for a bit. Protip: being alone in a survival situation isn't always a negative. eg She'd not easily attract zombies and potentially harmful people like larger group could.

Carol still have to look for stuff to feed herself and she can attract attention in this manner, many buildings are crowded with Walkers. In addition, other survivors can also threaten Carol.

There is greater safety in numbers then going solo.

Originally posted by Robtard
You do realize that every time you say "Feminist" in the fashion that you are, you come off sounding like a complete asspipe and you've done it over tens times now, yeah?

Explain the reason for asking this nonsense first:

Originally posted by Robtard
Why do you hate women and consider them useless?

Does the thought of an independent and capable women threaten the perception of your own manhood? Seems like it does.

Are you by chance Middle Eastern?

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Carol still have to look for stuff to feed herself and she can attract attention in this manner. Many buildings are crowded with Walkers. In addition, other survivors can also threaten Carol.

There is greater safety in numbers then going solo.

Explain the reason for asking this nonsense first:

Bada told you to stop it.

Anyhow, on topic: Safety in numbers isn't always the case in the Zombie Apoc. Remember season one where Glenn commented that he was that first group's "runner", where he could get in and out of stores with supplies much easier and safer than with a group since a lone person attracts much less attention.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
Anyhow, on topic: Safety in numbers isn't always the case in the Zombie Apoc. Remember season one where Glenn commented that he was that first group's "runner", where he could get in and out of stores with supplies much easier and safer than with a group since a lone person attracts much less attention.

Wasn't Glenn familiar with the territory and had some experience beforehand? If I recall correctly.

Robtard Senor Member
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Wasn't Glenn familiar with the territory and had some experience beforehand? If I recall correctly.

He was a pizza delivery guy, not sure that prepared/trained him to survive in the Z-Apoc.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
He was a pizza delivery guy, not sure that prepared/trained him to survive in the Z-Apoc.

Glenn was well-aware of the layout of Altanta due to nature of his job. This knowledge coupled with agility and smartness served him well during the apocalypse in Atlanta at-least.

Some information here: http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Glenn_Rhee_(TV_Series)

Also, TWD video game series provided some backstory to Glenn in Season 1. Glenn was in Macon before arriving in Atlanta. In Macon, Glenn attempted a solo mission but had to be rescued by Lee and Carley.

Confirmation here: http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Season_1_(Video_Game)

Therefore, in unfamiliar territory, even Glenn can falter solo.