Cross-Genre Match #1: Vegeta vs Thor

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, because DBZ is hard up on the actual feats needed to debate characters, it's okay to use ABC logic? Because it's DBZ? That's faulty and phucked up logic. I don't see what's so hard about using Vegeta's feats from the Buu Saga, ie. things Vegeta actually did on his own, not projecting feats on to him because he's supposedly more powerful than another person. Show or tell me exact speed feats from Vegeta. Show me these strength feats of his. Not Frieza's, not Cell's, but Vegeta's and his alone.

If I used ABC logic with Thor, this thread would veer off the edge.

Five seconds is a lot to work with when you're Thor and you have the reaction time he does, anyway.

And no, I'm hard pressed to find a situation where Thor decides not to block with Mjolnir because his pride dictates it.

But thors feats can easily be remembered with ABC.DBZ if you want speed feats you have to go through specifics.Like a whole episode then you still might not find anything.

But when your majin buu and only need 5 sec to blow up a planet...he wins

Meh.I thought I read somewhere where he decided to tank a blast./shrugs.
@ psycho
But is it possible for a power overload?I remember an episode where there was a creature that can absorb energy and goku amped so high it overloaded exploded.

Originally posted by Starscream M
and of course mjolnir can replicate what androids do, RIIIIIIIGHT? 🙄

Mjolnir's energy absorption feats absolutely shit on what Gero was capable of in the forms of the Androids, even Super 17. Surely you get this.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
So bascially what you guys are saying is that Roshi/Frieza wwere more powerful than vegeta?

No, basically what I'm saying is that Vegeta's feats/showings alone should be used for Vegeta instead of projecting feats onto him because he doesn't have any of his own to be used. Thor beat the Surfer who was amped by Loki; I don't use Surfers own feats as proof that Thor can do the same or better because he beat him.

Originally posted by Starscream M
and of course mjolnir can replicate what androids do, RIIIIIIIGHT? 🙄

but then again your threads are without it and your thor knowledge is next to none anyway. you wouldn't know

Originally posted by Starscream M
holy batman!

captain cold grabs flash before flash can move and smashes his head...captain cold moves beyond light speed fo
shure

^ your judgment is severely in question

fo shure

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I'm not saying ABC is the only way just the best way without searching through youtube or my VCR tapes.I haven't watched in a while but I always remember the show being epic.

But thors feats can easily be remembered with ABC.DBZ if you want speed feats you have to go through specifics.Like a whole episode then you still might not find anything.

But when your majin buu and only need 5 sec to blow up a planet...he wins

Meh.I thought I read somewhere where he decided to tank a blast./shrugs.
@ psycho
But is it possible for a power overload?I remember an episode where there was a creature that can absorb energy and goku amped so high it overloaded exploded.

Hell, even off hand using Vegeta's own feats through memory is better than taking a good feat that someone else did and then claiming Vegeta can do the same thing. I don't get what's hard about using his own feats as per Buu Saga.

So because DBZ's feats are harder to quantify, we should just assume that they're all really good and better than Thor's?

Majin Buu would get that blast sent right back at him by Thor.

And no, nothing Vegeta ever did in DBZ comes close to the power needed to "overload" Mjolnir based on what it has absorbed.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lightspeed is the pinnacle of travel speed in dbz, and only goku and that alien race he learned the technique from can do it (besides he needs to home in on a ki signature, so it's basically teleportation rather than say monica rambuex lightray travel) and thor shits on lightspeed travel

if thor wanted to, he could toss mjolnir twice lightspeed, vegeta is thus phucked

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Twice lightspeed?Prove he can do that.

He's flown with Mjolnir at three times the speed of light. Why can't he throw it at that same speed and instead of hanging on, just let it fly?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hell, even off hand using Vegeta's own feats through memory is better than taking a good feat that someone else did and then claiming Vegeta can do the same thing. I don't get what's hard about using his own feats as per Buu Saga.

So because DBZ's feats are harder to quantify, we should just assume that they're all really good and better than Thor's?

Majin Buu would get that blast sent right back at him by Thor.

And no, nothing Vegeta ever did in DBZ comes close to the power needed to "overload" Mjolnir based on what it has absorbed.

No I'm saying that taking a planet busters power levels and having proof that this person is much more powerful then that planet buster then they are no pushover.IMO ABC logic is the best way to show amps in DBZ.

and whats to stop buu from instant transmissioning right next to thor then using it?

Never said it could.Just bringing up a point.I thought of that after I posted and just didn't edit.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's flown with Mjolnir at three times the speed of light. Why can't he throw it at that same speed and instead of hanging on, just let it fly?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Because I don't remember his feats in Kid buu and I don't have them on video.Going on youtube it too hard.I'm lazy.

No I'm saying that taking a planet busters power levels and having proof that this person is much more powerful then that planet buster then they are no pushover.IMO ABC logic is the best way to show amps in DBZ.

and whats to stop buu from instant transmissioning right next to thor then using it?

Never said it could.Just bringing up a point.I thought of that after I posted and just didn't edit.

K. Well, that bodes badly for Vegeta then if we can't/won't use his own feats, right?

ABC logic is faulty, especially when Thor isn't in the DBZ universe, so all it is is really projecting feats on Vegeta.

The distance doesn't matter as Mjolnir would still do its job.

Okay.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Scans please.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSpeed01185.jpg

He also has other FTL reflexes to suggest that yes, he can throw Mjolnir far faster than light.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSpeed01185.jpg

He also has other FTL reflexes to suggest that yes, he can throw Mjolnir far faster than light.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's flown with Mjolnir at three times the speed of light. Why can't he throw it at that same speed and instead of hanging on, just let it fly?

Didn't he fly from one end of the universe to the other in something like a second once?

And yeah, seeing it's the hammer getting him there, it will do the same speeds acting as a projectile. Maxed out Flash is probably the only character who could dodge it, or maybe The Runner...

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's beyond them dummy

but then again your threads are without it and your thor knowledge is next to none anyway. you wouldn't know

^ your judgment is severely in question

fo shure

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Mjolnir's energy absorption feats absolutely shit on what Gero was capable of in the forms of the Androids, even Super 17. Surely you get this.

No, basically what I'm saying is that Vegeta's feats/showings alone should be used for Vegeta instead of projecting feats onto him because he doesn't have any of his own to be used. Thor beat the Surfer who was amped by Loki; I don't use Surfers own feats as proof that Thor can do the same or better because he beat him.

DBZ characters basically have the same power set though. Or at least, the Z crew does.

If you're more powerful, you're automatically stronger, faster, have more powerful energy projections.. Of course, there's exceptions such as Aku Man who could make someones evil heart expand causing them to explode, or Buu's transmutation attack, but generally speaking the raw power abilities follow a pretty generic stat curve...

Originally posted by Mindset
That post is still funny.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Stupid anything goes plot hammer....I concede on that point.

There was also this:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir116-SpeedWhomtheGodsWoul.jpg

And combined with tricks like this: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir16-Self-GuidanceJIM097.jpg

And this: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir22-Self-GuidanceAvengers.jpg

Vegeta will be tagged and quite hard.

Edit: Damn, Jake beat me to it.

In the first scan Jake posted, Thor threw Mjolnir at speeds millions...no, billions of times faster than light. He threw it to the edge of the Galaxy and it came back. All in 60 seconds.

And while we're on the topic.

Thor is capable of even interstellar travel without Mjolnir such as here when he flies from Asgard to Earth in moments.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/FlywithoutMjolnirinSpace.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/FlyWithoutMjolnirInSpace1.jpg\
Note What really makes this impressive is that Thor did not use the rainbow bridge here apparently, meaning he would have to take the long way around, which would mean he should have flown at a speed way beyond light based on most descriptions of Asgard's distance from Earth. Here's one recent (In regards to the above incident where he flew.) example.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/AsgardDistance1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/AsgardDistance2.jpg

this next one is just sex on ice:

thor could hit vegeta with ALL his ki energy just like he did kang.

this is over man

fixed 😄

He doesn't need to hit him with his own energy, just drain him.