Originally posted by Omega VisionI'm not basing it off that.Either kubik self retconed or he was underselling himself.But I see celestials as being abstract level as they have thrown planets at people and go up against cosmic threats.Minimum elder gods do that(and last a few seconds)IMO.
Rank and file Celestials do nothing to warrant that ranking beyond Kubik's unsupported statement.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
When Vegeta was in his ape form Yajirobe performed his only noteworthy feat and leapt into the air to cut the tail off cleanly.I agree its a low showing, but I only bring it up to highlight the same tactics you and others have been using here.
their tail durability sucks balls. goku got his tail cut by puar by turning into a pair of scissors. by PUAR! how lame is that?! then we have vegeta geting his tail cut by yajirobi by a katana. again, how lame is that?!
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Vegeta can melee him.I see no reason why not.Given vegetas personality he will spend a bit of energy on energy attacks which might hit.Things like ki blasts will kost likely connect but things the like final flash have no chance.
This is a none fight. I have voted for Thor against almost anyone he is pitted against but he isnt winning this fight. Thor doesnt have the reaction speed to hang with someone like Vegeta. Again, if Iron Patriot and his crew can take Thor out before he had the chance to react, Vegeta would rip him a new one. If hulk can go hand to hand with Thor and actually gain advantages over him, Vegeta would crush him. Thor has the power to drop Vegeta but it just would not connect. You cant even find one of Vegetas low end feats to make an argument for Thor combat speed hitting him.
Originally posted by carver9
This is a none fight. I have voted for Thor against almost anyone he is pitted against but he isnt winning this fight. Thor doesnt have the reaction speed to hang with someone like Vegeta. Again, if Iron Patriot and his crew can take Thor out before he had the chance to react, Vegeta would rip him a new one. If hulk can go hand to hand with Thor and actually gain advantages over him, Vegeta would crush him. Thor has the power to drop Vegeta but it just would not connect. You cant even find one of Vegetas low end feats to make an argument for Thor combat speed hitting him.
Thor has shown better reaction feats than getting jumped by Iron Patriot and his crew, so moot point. You're basically lowballing, using a low end showing of Thor, to support your argument. And it's painfully obvious at his best, his reaction showings trump that instance.
Hulk has nothing to do with this, and you'd have to prove how Vegeta is stronger in melee than Hulk (Good luck, btw) for this line of thought to work.
I don't have to lowball Vegeta in order to support Thor hitting him as Vegeta hasn't shown lightspeed movement capabilities nor lightspeed reaction time which trumps Thor's ability to throw Mjolnir at >>>>> lightspeed.
That's pretty much the crux of this thread. You, and other Vegeta supporters (not all of them, though) use Thor's low end showings while ignoring or writing off Thor's many showings supporting his ability to react at FTS/FTL speeds. Conversely, I'm not taking anything away from Vegeta aside from refusing to put him on a level that can't be proven one way or the other.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI wouldn't doubt that as it seemed he brought up a low showing.
Thor has shown better reaction feats than getting jumped by Iron Patriot and his crew, so moot point. You're basically lowballing, using a low end showing of Thor, to support your argument. And it's painfully obvious at his best, his reaction showings trump that instance.Hulk has nothing to do with this, and you'd have to prove how Vegeta is stronger in melee than Hulk (Good luck, btw) for this line of thought to work.
I don't have to lowball Vegeta in order to support Thor hitting him as Vegeta hasn't shown lightspeed movement capabilities nor lightspeed reaction time which trumps Thor's ability to throw Mjolnir at >>>>> lightspeed.
That's pretty much the crux of this thread. You, and other Vegeta supporters (not all of them, though) use Thor's low end showings while ignoring or writing off Thor's many showings supporting his ability to react at FTS/FTL speeds. Conversely, I'm not taking anything away from Vegeta aside from refusing to put him on a level that can't be proven one way or the other.
Vegeta SS2 is only exceeded in strength IMO by WWH and WBH(of the hulk group.Others exceed him but just them in the hulk group).
If vegeta can outrace a blast to the moon in a second he has FTL speeds.Light travels around earth 1 time in 3 seconds.The distance from the earth to the moon is like 12x that of the diameter of earth.Now I think i'm probably wrong here but doesn't that mean he was moving like 36x the speed of light?I think i'm wrong but meh...
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Vegeta SS2 is only exceeded in strength IMO by WWH and WBH(of the hulk group.Others exceed him but just them in the hulk group.
*sigh*
I get that statement is your opinion, but strength wise, what has Vegeta shown that makes him such a high end class 100 in terms of strength?
The problem with these statements is that you really can't prove it one way or the other. You can guess, yeah, even make educated ones, but in a forum fight, we go by what we can prove.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor has shown better reaction feats than getting jumped by Iron Patriot and his crew, so moot point. You're basically lowballing, using a low end showing of Thor, to support your argument. And it's painfully obvious at his best, his reaction showings trump that instance.Hulk has nothing to do with this, and you'd have to prove how Vegeta is stronger in melee than Hulk (Good luck, btw) for this line of thought to work.
I don't have to lowball Vegeta in order to support Thor hitting him as Vegeta hasn't shown lightspeed movement capabilities nor lightspeed reaction time which trumps Thor's ability to throw Mjolnir at >>>>> lightspeed.
That's pretty much the crux of this thread. You, and other Vegeta supporters (not all of them, though) use Thor's low end showings while ignoring or writing off Thor's many showings supporting his ability to react at FTS/FTL speeds. Conversely, I'm not taking anything away from Vegeta aside from refusing to put him on a level that can't be proven one way or the other.
LOL... 😆 so you are using Thor THROWING his hammer at light speed as evidence that he can beat Vegeta. I wonder how hard and fast Vegeta can throw a hammer.
Recently, Thor has yet to show any kind of speed feat. He has been owned speed wise by Wolverine and even ADMITTED that Wolverine was faster than him. It was stated outright by a writer that Thor and Ares are equals. Thor got his head bashed in by Hulk and has two defeats by Hulk twice. Then you use Thor hitting the ground as a speed feat against quick silver. Thor is powerful but his recent showings is making the Iron Patriot feat look even more pleasant.
Thor isnt hitting Vegeta unless Vegeta lets him and even if he does hit Vegeta, he isnt one shotting him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
*sigh*I get that statement is your opinion, but strength wise, what has Vegeta shown that makes him such a high end class 100 in terms of strength?
The problem with these statements is that you really can't prove it one way or the other. You can guess, yeah, even make educated ones, but in a forum fight, we go by what we can prove.
How about a weaker version of Goku kicking Frieza through two mountains which made the entire area around the planet namek shake or how about a weaker frieza punching Goku so hard that it was creating shockwaves that was disentigrating rocks and that was seen with the necked eye. Or how about frieza punching Goku so hard that it was creating nuke like explosions?
Is that enough.