Cross-Genre Match #1: Vegeta vs Thor

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Well, his punches shattered mountains.

He could destroy planets pre-SSJ. He wins this easily.

Thor's strikes have done the same thing. facepalm

His strikes have also effected reality when met with an equal force.

So how does that prove, prove being the keyword, he's stronger than Thor?

And scans/clips of a DBZ character busting a planet with physical force? Unless you mean via energy attacks, attacks which will be absorbed/shielded against, in which case it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by carver9
How about a weaker version of Goku kicking Frieza through two mountains which made the entire area around the planet namek shake or how about a weaker frieza punching Goku so hard that it was creating shockwaves that was disentigrating rocks and that was seen with the necked eye. Or how about frieza punching Goku so hard that it was creating nuke like explosions?

Is that enough.

Thor has caused entire planets to shake with his blows, Carv. While arm wrestling with Herc, he threw the planet out of orbit. Thor's blows, without Mjolnir, meeting Hercules' have closed dimensional rifts. His energy blasts have shaken entire countrysides.

Seriously, how does ANY OF THAT, prove he's stronger than Thor when Thor has done the exact same thing?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor's strikes have done the same thing. facepalm

His strikes have also effected reality when met with an equal force.

So how does that prove, prove being the keyword, he's stronger than Thor?

And scans/clips of a DBZ character busting a planet with physical force? Unless you mean via energy attacks, attacks which will be absorbed/shielded against, in which case it doesn't matter.

You asked for class 100 feats. Those are class 100 feats.
And, how is that you get to high-ball Thor, but we can't use basic ABC logic to back out claims when it is completely probable?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
You asked for class 100 feats. Those are class 100 feats.
And, how is that you get to high-ball Thor, but we can't use basic ABC logic to back out claims when it is completely probable?

I asked for feats which prove what people are claiming: strength greater than that of Thor.

How come you can't use ABC logic without quantifiable measurement of strength/speed over something that could be "probable" when you can't directly prove it? Seriously?

And I'm arguing Thor fighting to the best of his ability. With, y'know, feats. Proof. On panel evidence of him ACTUALLY DOING WHAT I'M SAYING HE CAN.

Big difference.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor has caused entire planets to shake with his blows, Carv. While arm wrestling with Herc, he threw the planet out of orbit. Thor's blows, without Mjolnir, meeting Hercules' have closed dimensional rifts. His energy blasts have shaken entire countrysides.

Seriously, how does ANY OF THAT, prove he's stronger than Thor when Thor has done the exact same thing?

LOL, I never said Thor wasnt strong, you said Z fighters are weak. Honestly, with that hammer, I think "if he could get a solid lick" hits harder than a none blitzing Vegeta punch.

I know Thor is strong, hell, I am one of the people that have always stated that Thor is>all high heralds. I am the guy that said Thor would defeat Gladiator. Thor is the numero uno but I cant see him winning this fight.

Originally posted by carver9
LOL, I never said Thor wasnt strong, you said Z fighters are weak. Honestly, with that hammer, I think "if he could get a solid lick" hits harder than a none blitzing Vegeta punch.

I know Thor is strong, hell, I am one of the people that have always stated that Thor is>all high heralds. I am the guy that said Thor would defeat Gladiator. Thor is the numero uno but I cant see him winning this fight.

I didn't say Z Fighters were weak at all. Nor have I lowballed them like you've done with Thor. You claimed that their many times stronger than Thor physically.

Prove it.

Show a strength feat from the Buu saga or something that Thor can't or hasn't been shown replicating or can replicate.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I asked for feats which prove what people are claiming: strength greater than that of Thor.

How come you can't use ABC logic without quantifiable measurement of strength/speed over something that could be "probable" when you can't directly prove it? Seriously?

And I'm arguing Thor fighting to the best of his ability. With, y'know, feats. Proof. On panel evidence of him ACTUALLY DOING WHAT I'M SAYING HE CAN.

Big difference.

Its obvious; Vegeta is just better. Like I said before and will always say. I will vote for Thor against almost any character but this is a fight he isnt winning. They will be writing a Goku vs Thor fight soon, I wonder who they will have winning. You do know I am basing this fight off of Black Hair Vegeta right? I'm not even talking about Super Saiyan Vegeta. That would be a massacre.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I asked for feats which prove what people are claiming: strength greater than that of Thor.

How come you can't use ABC logic without quantifiable measurement of strength/speed over something that could be "probable" when you can't directly prove it? Seriously?

And I'm arguing Thor fighting to the best of his ability. With, y'know, feats. Proof. On panel evidence of him ACTUALLY DOING WHAT I'M SAYING HE CAN.

Big difference.

Vegeta fought a universal reality warper who ACTUALLY warped the DBZ universe. How about this?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
*sigh*

I get that statement is your opinion, but strength wise, what has Vegeta shown that makes him such a high end class 100 in terms of strength?

The problem with these statements is that you really can't prove it one way or the other. You can guess, yeah, even make educated ones, but in a forum fight, we go by what we can prove.

Originally posted by carver9
Its obvious; Vegeta is just better. Like I said before and will always say. I will vote for Thor against almost any character but this is a fight he isnt winning. They will be writing a Goku vs Thor fight soon, I wonder who they will have winning. You do know I am basing this fight off of Black Hair Vegeta right? I'm not even talking about Super Saiyan Vegeta. That would be a massacre.

That first line sums up your line of thought and debating in this thread, Carver.

"Its obvious; Vegeta is just better."

You can't prove he is. You just claim he is and claim it's obvious. Whereas I supply multitudes of scans and evidence for Thor, you cling to the belief that Vegeta is "better". Define better?

Do you at least see where I'm coming from with this? If you think Vegeta wins, cool, but don't claim all this crap if you can't prove in uncertain terms he's > than Thor in certain area.

Lol. Who's the unlucky "they" writing Thor vs. Goku? And where will this gem of literature be located? And where, praytell, did you hear this?

It doesn't matter which Vegeta here as you can't prove much of anything regardless. Thor drains his ki and attacks him with his own energy ampflied by ten to hundredfold.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Vegeta fought a casual universal reality warper who ACTUALLY warped the DBZ universe. How about this?

And this proves he's = much less > than Thor...how?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And this proves he's = much less > than Thor...how?

Janemba who in his first and only appearance unintentionally at a weak stage warped a universe > Odin and Odin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thor.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Janemba who in his first and only appearance unintentionally at a weak stage warped a universe > Odin and Odin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thor.

Those ">" signs?

That don't mean anything if you can't prove anything with them.

Odin has effected the Multiverse in a fight, so there's that.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Vegeta fought a universal reality warper who ACTUALLY warped the DBZ universe. How about this?

Originally posted by carver9
Its obvious; Vegeta is just better. Like I said before and will always say. I will vote for Thor against almost any character but this is a fight he isnt winning. They will be writing a Goku vs Thor fight soon, I wonder who they will have winning. You do know I am basing this fight off of Black Hair Vegeta right? I'm not even talking about Super Saiyan Vegeta. That would be a massacre.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Who was this exactly?

He means Janemba, which is laughable.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Those ">" signs?

That don't mean anything if you can't prove anything with them.

Odin has effected the Multiverse in a fight, so there's that.

So, Thor can fight a universal reality warper now? Post the scans please.

Really? I have read the issue(Journey into Mystery 513). Please post the scans that indicate that his battle with Seth shook the multi-verse.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That first line sums up your line of thought and debating in this thread, Carver.

"Its obvious; Vegeta is just better."

You can't prove he is. You just claim he is and claim it's obvious. Whereas I supply multitudes of scans and evidence for Thor, you cling to the belief that Vegeta is "better". Define better?

Do you at least see where I'm coming from with this? If you think Vegeta wins, cool, but don't claim all this crap if you can't prove in uncertain terms he's > than Thor in certain area.

Lol. Who's the unlucky "they" writing Thor vs. Goku? And where will this gem of literature be located? And where, praytell, did you hear this?

It doesn't matter which Vegeta here as you can't prove much of anything regardless. Thor drains his ki and attacks him with his own energy ampflied by ten to hundredfold.

I agree, with the energy drain, Thor could win and the reasons that I think Vegeta would win is because he is faster, blasting powers that would mess Thor up and he can attack him from every angle and Thor is lucky to even land a lick on someone that clearly has the better combat speed wise.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Who was this exactly? I'm sorry but black hair vegeta has no chance of winning this.SS2 would have a hard time.SS4 he would in pretty easily though.

Why doesnt black hair Vegeta stand a chance? He is a hundred tonner planet destroyer with Super speed. He stand plenty of a chance.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
So, Thor can fight a universal reality warper now? Post the scans please.

Really? I have read the issue(Journey into Mystery 513). Please post the scans that indicate that his battle with Seth shook the multi-verse.

http://img223.imageshack.us/f/odinsethuniverse8gm.jpg/

I think Strange would know better than you or I.

And show Janemba "universally warping reality".

Originally posted by carver9
Why doesnt black hair Vegeta stand a chance? He is a hundred tonner planet destroyer with Super speed. He stand plenty of a chance.

Via powerscalling Saiyan saga Vegeta would crush Thor.