Cross-Genre Match #1: Vegeta vs Thor

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Himself. It's about as relevant as Roshi and Vegeta's power levels being used in comparison to the moon being destroyed.

I've posted the scans directly from ODG's respect thread. I've shown him moving at that speed and beyond through flight, reacting to an attack at the speed or better, and throwing Mjolnir far faster than that speed. The fact he's shown to A) Fly at those speeds, B) React at those speeds, and C) Throw Mjolnir at those speeds prove that he can tag Vegeta and respond to his attacks.

Originally posted by carver9
Again, this is all of your opinion. I told you the reason why I think Vegeta is winning this. Class 100 strength, super speed, planet destroying attacks, etc...

The myths that was stated about frieza also gives me reason to believe he would crush Thor. Frieza was classified as a universal threat. King Ki stated it numerous of times along with Frieza himself. I'm not saying that he is a universal destroyer but he was classified as a universal THREAT.

Now given freiza is a universal threat as he is easily a planet buster but thor would beat him.It's like MM fighting juggarnaut.Juggarnaut is more powerful but MM has the right powerset.Thor has the perfect powerset to beat DBZ characters.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Himself. It's about as relevant as Roshi and Vegeta's power levels being used in comparison to the moon being destroyed.

I've posted the scans directly from ODG's respect thread. I've shown him moving at that speed and beyond through flight, reacting to an attack at the speed or better, and throwing Mjolnir far faster than that speed. The fact he's shown to A) Fly at those speeds, B) React at those speeds, and C) Throw Mjolnir at those speeds prove that he can tag Vegeta and respond to his attacks.

So flying equals combat speed? What if I show you Rogue or Magneto flying through space at those speeds, do they have faster than light reflexes? What if I show you Despero doing those things, does he have faster than light reflexes?

Throwing his hammer doesnt equal reflexes, thats a strength feat. Thats like me saying since Spiderman can throw a rock faster than the speed of sound, he has the same type of reflexes.

So you are using Thor vs blast as a speed feat? Lets not go there.

Thor cant combat at the speed of light.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol when Thor went crazy he was billed as a universal threat. He's been dubbed one of the strongest beings in the universe.

I agree, during that time Thor went crazy, especially when he had the gem, he was a universal threat. I also agree with you, Thor is one of the strongest beings in the universe, he has proven this.

This still doesnt change the fact that Frieza was classified as a universal threat before he powered up to his max.

lol at carver pwning the shit outta jakethebank in this debate 🙂

Originally posted by Black bolt z
If you can quote those scans.I've seen flying at FTL and throwing at FTL but not FTL combat speeds WBH was also stated to be a cosmic threat...

Now given freiza is a universal threat as he is easily a planet buster but thor would beat him.It's like MM fighting juggarnaut.Juggarnaut is more powerful but MM has the right powerset.Thor has the perfect powerset to beat DBZ characters.

WBH was NEVER classified as a universal threat. Dont even go there, I know everything there is to know about WWH. I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your post, its meaningless.

Originally posted by Starscream M
lol at carver pwning the shit outta jakethebank in this debate 🙂

More like the other way around.Carver is bringing up good ppoints but jake has brought more solid proof to the table.

Originally posted by carver9
WBH was NEVER classified as a universal threat. Dont even go there, I know everything there is to know about WWH. I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your post, its meaningless.

But freiza actually is a universal threat.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
facepalm

More like the other way around.Carver is bringing up good ppoints but jake has brought more solid proof to the table.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
If you can quote those scans.I've seen flying at FTL and throwing at FTL but not FTL combat speeds

[QUOTE=12431984]Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[b]III. SUPERSPEED

But he has more than just subjective exclamations (no matter how reliable the speaker). What everyone really cares about are the more objective and reliable speed feats. One reliable type of speed feat is where the character moves so fast that they become a blur of motion or move too fast to be seen. Here, Thor fights Heimdall and swings his hammer down on him at speeds "moving too swiftly for the eye to follow," even too fast for Heimdall in Journey Into Mystery #125:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed06JIM125.jpg

Phoenix shoots a telepathic blast at a groggy Thor at the moment Thor's arms are at his side. AFTER the shot is fired and already traveling at him, Thor raises his arms and reflects it back with Mjolnir. Telepathy being instantaneous traditionally (as noted in the narration), we can assume for the sake of argument that it was only traveling at light-speed, making this another FTL feat, from Excalibur #428:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed18428.jpg

Those are a couple for you.

Heimdall's senses are noted as being able to detect an ant crawling on the Great Wall of China, being able to hear prayers from around the world, etc. Moving too fast for his eyes to follow is a HUGE feat.

And a groggy Thor defending against an instant telepathic blast from the Phoenix should pretty much do away with this Thor not being able to react at FTL speeds.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, during that time Thor went crazy, especially when he had the gem, he was a universal threat. I also agree with you, Thor is one of the strongest beings in the universe, he has proven this.

This still doesnt change the fact that Frieza was classified as a universal threat before he powered up to his max.

Ok?

Majin Buu was more powerful than Frieza, he wasn't dubbed a multiversal or omniversal threat. He'd still be a universal threat.

Originally posted by Starscream M
carver is bringing up legit points while jake is obfuscating with irrelevant crap...remember, jake is someone who believes thor can beat wwh 😱

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
[QUOTE=12431984]Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B][b]III. SUPERSPEED

But he has more than just subjective exclamations (no matter how reliable the speaker). What everyone really cares about are the more objective and reliable speed feats. One reliable type of speed feat is where the character moves so fast that they become a blur of motion or move too fast to be seen. Here, Thor fights Heimdall and swings his hammer down on him at speeds "moving too swiftly for the eye to follow," even too fast for Heimdall in Journey Into Mystery #125:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed06JIM125.jpg

Phoenix shoots a telepathic blast at a groggy Thor at the moment Thor's arms are at his side. AFTER the shot is fired and already traveling at him, Thor raises his arms and reflects it back with Mjolnir. Telepathy being instantaneous traditionally (as noted in the narration), we can assume for the sake of argument that it was only traveling at light-speed, making this another FTL feat, from Excalibur #428:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed18428.jpg

Those are a couple for you.

Heimdall's senses are noted as being able to detect an ant crawling on the Great Wall of China, being able to hear prayers from around the world, etc. Moving too fast for his eyes to follow is a HUGE feat.

And a groggy Thor defending against an instant telepathic blast from the Phoenix should pretty much do away with this Thor not being able to react at FTL speeds. [/B]

Still haven't seen anything that can prove he can best vegeta in combat speeds.

Originally posted by Starscream M
carver is bringing up legit points while jake is obfuscating with irrelevant crap...remember, jake is someone who believes thor can beat wwh 😱

You know, I think I've been pretty patient with you for a long time, Starscream.

I don't get why you feel this need to come into threads and try to attack me every single time you disagree with me. You've proved you're unable to go very long in a thread without resorting to insults and then - and this is hilarious - you have gall to complain and get on your high horse about others attacking posters.

Funnier still, when someone calls you out on your shit, you turn tail and run, hiding from the thread until it cools down so you can bring your sorry ass back in here. And then you say, "No, I'm not trolling, you're trolling."

You can't even troll consistently. And we'll play the same game over and over, with the vast majority siding with my opinion and actively contributing to the thread with you attempting to incite others and target a single person who disagrees with you while pretending to be be civil and cordial.

You're a sad, strange, little man, Bruce.

I pity you, but I also hope you continue to paint yourself to be a resident joke in these forums.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ok?

Majin Buu was more powerful than Frieza, he wasn't dubbed a multiversal or omniversal threat. He'd still be a universal threat.

They never said anything else after the frieza saga about universal or multiversal threats. Goku did state that if they dont stop kid buu that he could destroy the universe in an hour but I'm not counting that because if frieza was classified as a universal threat, anything after frieza should be given that title since they are clearly more powerful. Why would they just call out every time they see a villian "Cell is a universal threat, the android are a universal threat." It just does not make any sense to me.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
[QUOTE=12431984]Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B][b]III. SUPERSPEED

But he has more than just subjective exclamations (no matter how reliable the speaker). What everyone really cares about are the more objective and reliable speed feats. One reliable type of speed feat is where the character moves so fast that they become a blur of motion or move too fast to be seen. Here, Thor fights Heimdall and swings his hammer down on him at speeds "moving too swiftly for the eye to follow," even too fast for Heimdall in Journey Into Mystery #125:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed06JIM125.jpg

Phoenix shoots a telepathic blast at a groggy Thor at the moment Thor's arms are at his side. AFTER the shot is fired and already traveling at him, Thor raises his arms and reflects it back with Mjolnir. Telepathy being instantaneous traditionally (as noted in the narration), we can assume for the sake of argument that it was only traveling at light-speed, making this another FTL feat, from Excalibur #428:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed18428.jpg

Those are a couple for you.

Heimdall's senses are noted as being able to detect an ant crawling on the Great Wall of China, being able to hear prayers from around the world, etc. Moving too fast for his eyes to follow is a HUGE feat.

And a groggy Thor defending against an instant telepathic blast from the Phoenix should pretty much do away with this Thor not being able to react at FTL speeds. [/B]

The man who posted the scans himself said that Vegeta defeats Thor.

/thread

Originally posted by TheTyrant
The man who posted the scans himself said that Vegeta defeats Thor.

/thread

Really?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
All powers including exotic yes he can.CIS off and all exotic powers yes.But barring exotc powers no. As for the fast scans that proves he can swing his hammer at faster then sound.Not FTL and just swinging the hammer.Not the kind of speed vegeta does everything at.As for the second scan it said telepathic bolt but is certainly just looks like a fireball.And all that rproves is he is good on the quickdraw.

Still haven't seen anything that can prove he can best vegeta in combat speeds.

Have a question for you black bolt. Lets say if Vegeta was restricted from using energy attacks, he can only fight Thor physically.

Lets say if you took Thor hammer away, he has to be physical with Vegeta.

Who would win?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
All powers including exotic yes he can.CIS off and all exotic powers yes.But barring exotc powers no. As for the fast scans that proves he can swing his hammer at faster then sound.Not FTL and just swinging the hammer.Not the kind of speed vegeta does everything at.As for the second scan it said telepathic bolt but is certainly just looks like a fireball.And all that rproves is he is good on the quickdraw.

Still haven't seen anything that can prove he can best vegeta in combat speeds.

He moved faster for Heimdall to see. 😐 Heimdall. You'd be hard pressed to find someone with better senses than him outside of a Kryptonian or someone with Cosmic Awareness.

It said it was an instant telepathic blast. Telepathy, thought in both Marvel and DC is quantified at moving at least at lightspeed. And Thor, while groggy, defended against that attack.

Those aren't even his better feats.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
The man who posted the scans himself said that Vegeta defeats Thor.

/thread

LOL, he sure did. He actually said that Frieza would CRUSH Thor.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You know, I think I've been pretty patient with you for a long time, Starscream.

I don't get why you feel this need to come into threads and try to attack me every single time you disagree with me. You've proved you're unable to go very long in a thread without resorting to insults and then - and this is hilarious - you have gall to complain and get on your high horse about others attacking posters.

Funnier still, when someone calls you out on your shit, you turn tail and run, hiding from the thread until it cools down so you can bring your sorry ass back in here. And then you say, "No, I'm not trolling, you're trolling."

You can't even troll consistently. And we'll play the same game over and over, with the vast majority siding with my opinion and actively contributing to the thread with you attempting to incite others and target a single person who disagrees with you while pretending to be be civil and cordial.

You're a sad, strange, little man, Bruce.

I pity you, but I also hope you continue to paint yourself to be a resident joke in these forums.

I don't run away, I do have to be away from the computers at times...sorry if I can't be on 24/7 responding to your old trite examples of thor blocking straight projectiles as evidence he can handle a z fighters speed.

I don't like debating in circles, which is what we would be doing constantly rehashing the same old points again and again.

I find you to be laughably biased in any thread involving thor and I hope I can do my part to eventually make you realize that and become a better debator.

Originally posted by carver9
LOL, he sure did. He actually said that Frieza would CRUSH Thor.

Based on what? A groggy Thor reacting to an instant telepathic attack which travels at FTL speed?

Lol.