Cross-Genre Match #1: Vegeta vs Thor

Originally posted by carver9
Why dont you think Vegeta have the stamina and Thor isnt tanking Vegeta attacks?

Vegeta can cover the distance almost instantly and be all over Thor before he had the time to do any of what you've mentioned.

Because Thor has better stamina feats.

When Vegeta throws a punch, that's energy used up. When he flies, that's energy being used. Ki blasts? Energy. After imaging? Energy. Thor can use the weather and discharge blasts from Mjolnir independent of his own energy. Thor's durability is also good enough to enable him to take a prolonged beating from foes who are stronger than him physically.

Just like Phoenix's instant TP blast which a groggy Thor blocked and sent back at its target.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
To the point of doing stupid shit?

Vegeta BY FAR.

Thor's pride rarely endangers innocent people or cause him to risk victory just for the sake of a fight. He's been pushed to those points, yet, but Vegeta's rampant egomanical tendencies have screwed him over constantly in DBZ.

he often brawls with thor, in the presence of innocents nearby. had he swallowed his pride, he would bfr hulk with his hammer...but he doesn't. he likes to fight more than anything else and thor is just as cocky as vegeta, although maybe not as verbal about it.

Originally posted by carver9
I cant believe you just said Black hair Vegeta isnt strong enough. What if I showed you Vegeta punching something that weighed tonnes a couple of feat destroying it with just a flick of his arm. I already told you that black hair Gohun was moving his feat up and down creating a city wide earth quake. Then we have black hair Gohun who is much weaker than Vegeta lifting a 300 passenger plane up with one arm. Then we have punching Goku through mountains during the saiyan saga. Then we have Frieza who is much weaker punching Goku so hard that it was creating shock waves across namek that sent bulma flying for miles.

Vegeta not having enough energy as black hair Vegeta? WOW. I could have sworn that a teen Vegeta was about to destroy earth with an attack. How much energy do you think is needed to drop Thor. I also cant believe that you said Black hair Vegeta isnt fast enough when we clearly again have someone much slower than Vegeta dodging blast so fast that it appears that he isnt even moving.

No i'm saying that thor could absorb it.IMO thor wouldn't try this right away but thor does a great powerset against these characters.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
WHo said Vegeta has to just stand there? And considering how efficient and quickly Mjolnir works, even if he doesn't get all of his energy in one sitting, he's going to feel the effects of it which will in turn weaken Vegeta enough for Thor to do the same easier next time. Every tactic Vegeta has to do here in order to attempt to beat Thor requires energy, however minute. Thor, on the other hand, doesn't have to tap into his own energy to offensively engage Vegeta. Considering he can summon rain powerful enough to restrict a pissed off Hulk whose strength and durabilty amp continuously, Vegeta's not going to be able to effectively use that speed to the point of overwhelming Thor.

He has too many options here where as Vegeta has one course of action to successfully get the majority on Thor, which is melee.

And he has used rain that can restrain hulk how many times?I don't like to use things with one showing.You showed my multiple of the draining energy but only one of that kind of rain.

And is there any reason why vegeta can't melee him?

Originally posted by Starscream M
thor's fights with hulk disprove your notion

he often brawls with thor, in the presence of innocents nearby. had he swallowed his pride, he would bfr hulk with his hammer...but he doesn't. he likes to fight more than anything else and thor is just as cocky as vegeta, although maybe not as verbal about it.

Which is why I said that Thor has been pushed to those points.

Vegeta's history of his ego screwing him over is worse than Thor's. And no, Thor isn't as cocky as Vegeta is. Thor admits when someone is his equal or superior before having to be beat nearly into submission. He doesn't give up, but he knows he's the underdog. Vegeta's delusional ass thought he was a Super Saiyan when he fought Frieza. He let Cell become Perfect for the challenge and even attacked his own son during.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because Thor has better stamina feats.

When Vegeta throws a punch, that's energy used up. When he flies, that's energy being used. Ki blasts? Energy. After imaging? Energy. Thor can use the weather and discharge blasts from Mjolnir independent of his own energy. Thor's durability is also good enough to enable him to take a prolonged beating from foes who are stronger than him physically.

Just like Phoenix's instant TP blast which a groggy Thor blocked and sent back at its target.

That as just a quick draw.

Originally posted by Starscream M
thor's fights with hulk disprove your notion

he often brawls with thor, in the presence of innocents nearby. had he swallowed his pride, he would bfr hulk with his hammer...but he doesn't. he likes to fight more than anything else and thor is just as cocky as vegeta, although maybe not as verbal about it.

Honestly vegeta is more cocky and arrogant but their way of fighting and pride gets in the way.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Which is why I said that Thor has been pushed to those points.

Vegeta's history of his ego screwing him over is worse than Thor's. And no, Thor isn't as cocky as Vegeta is. Thor admits when someone is his equal or superior before having to be beat nearly into submission. He doesn't give up, but he knows he's the underdog. Vegeta's delusional ass thought he was a Super Saiyan when he fought Frieza. He let Cell become Perfect for the challenge and even attacked his own son during.

Originally posted by Starscream M
vegeta's matured alot...he became alot less cocky as the series went on

Originally posted by Black bolt z
A cuple of tons...thor could do the same.Lifting a plane with one arm.Same for thor.I think I know the "mountains" you are talking about and if you don't notice someone like pam at age 4 could probably bust one.

No i'm saying that thor could absorb it.IMO thor wouldn't try this right away but thor does a great powerset against these characters. The second vegeta starts getting drained he will be able to leave the range of the drain.Mabye the energy of a ki blast.Also IIRC a DBZ character has never collasped due to using too much ki or even being drained.

And he has used rain that can restrain hulk how many times?I don't like to use things with one showing.You showed my multiple of the draining energy but only one of that kind of rain.

And is there any reason why vegeta can't melee him?

I never said Thor couldnt do the things that I mentioned, what I was trying to prove is that black hair Vegeta is strong enough to injure Thor when in reality, he is. The Black hair Vegeta during the Android saga was> Frieza and I know for a FACT frieza strength wise has enough strength to injure Thor.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No i'm saying that thor could absorb it.IMO thor wouldn't try this right away but thor does a great powerset against these characters. The second vegeta starts getting drained he will be able to leave the range of the drain.Mabye the energy of a ki blast.Also IIRC a DBZ character has never collasped due to using too much ki or even being drained.

And he has used rain that can restrain hulk how many times?I don't like to use things with one showing.You showed my multiple of the draining energy but only one of that kind of rain.

And is there any reason why vegeta can't melee him?

Why wouldn't he want to absorb a high level energy manipulator/being charged with an abundance of energy? And again, considering how quickly Mjolnir works with draining, not to mention how effective ki draining has been shown on DBZ characters, even if he gets away, he's going to be substantially weaker than before. DBZ characters get tired all the time in DBZ, hence the heavy breathing, panting, etc. And plenty of DBZ characters have collapsed due to ki expending. Tien has, Goku has, Vegeta killed himself with a kamikaze attack.

He's used rain control multiple times, not just against Hulk. He's the God of Thunder.

I never said Vegeta can't melee him, but getting that close opens him up for more draining from Mjolnir. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

I agree, Vegeta is more cocky and arrogant.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said Thor couldnt do the things that I mentioned, what I was trying to prove is that black hair Vegeta is strong enough to injure Thor when in reality, he is. The Black hair Vegeta during the Android saga was> Frieza and I know for a FACT frieza strength wise has enough strength to injure Thor.

I have a question Jake; what if Thor punch at Vegeta and Vegeta does this... what is Thor going to do?

Fast forward it to 5 minutes and 32 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2iZpgeiilU

Originally posted by Starscream M
vegeta's matured alot...he became alot less cocky as the series went on

So has Thor. Thor's actively learned humility whereas Vegeta pretty much had to get his ass kicked for years for him to admit Goku is his better. Thor also had more experience to learn from his mistakes than Vegeta.

Originally posted by carver9
I have a question Jake; what if Thor punch at Vegeta and Vegeta does this... what is Thor going to do?

Fast forward it to 5 minutes and 32 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2iZpgeiilU

Track him with Mjolnir.

Originally posted by carver9
I have a question Jake; what if Thor punch at Vegeta and Vegeta does this... what is Thor going to do?

Fast forward it to 5 minutes and 32 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2iZpgeiilU

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Nothing happens at 5:32...check again.

I think he meant moving at the way/after imaging.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Didn't mean to say it couldn't hurt him I meant to say that BH vegeta wasn't strong enough(unlike SS2)to put him down.

I dont know why you say that when its pretty much plain and clear that Vegeta is a 100 tonner.

Fast forward this to 8 minutes and 50 seconds. That kick alone should hurt Thor and again, Vegeta after the frieza saga>that goku.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2iZpgeiilU

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think he meant moving at the way/after imaging.

Yep, thats exactly what I meant, frieza completely disappeared and stayed at constant speed. What is Thor going to do in a situation like that?

Originally posted by carver9
Yep, thats exactly what I meant, frieza completely disappeared and stayed at constant speed. What is Thor going to do in a situation like that?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Track him with Mjolnir.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why wouldn't he want to absorb a high level energy manipulator/being charged with an abundance of energy? And again, considering how quickly Mjolnir works with draining, not to mention how effective ki draining has been shown on DBZ characters, even if he gets away, he's going to be substantially weaker than before. DBZ characters get tired all the time in DBZ, hence the heavy breathing, panting, etc. And plenty of DBZ characters have collapsed due to ki expending. Tien has, Goku has, Vegeta killed himself with a kamikaze attack.

He's used rain control multiple times, not just against Hulk. He's the God of Thunder.

I never said Vegeta can't melee him, but getting that close opens him up for more draining from Mjolnir. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

OK i remember the tein and the vegeta both fo whcih were purposefully using all their energy and knew they were going to die.Vegeta died to try to kill buu and tien just tried a constant 3-eye attack thing on cell.When did goku fall?

I mean like rain that has stopped the likes of hulk before.Any other scans of rain like that?

I can also see him do things like a close range ki blast which seems to(at SS2)be equal to that of a nuke.I just don't see thor draining vegeta.It also isn't in vegetas character but he can blitz him.