Originally posted by cdtmTrue. But unlike Superman, Vegeta isn't physically strong enough to do damage to Thor. Even if Thor couldn't react, Vegeta's physical melee's are worthless.
It pretty much comes down to another Superman vs Thor argument.One either believes Thor can respond to a blitz, or they don't.
Originally posted by cdtm
It pretty much comes down to another Superman vs Thor argument.One either believes Thor can respond to a blitz, or they don't.
He can respond to a blitz. I don't get why people think he can't. He can either:
Omniblast
Swing Mjolnir in a path that will tag anyone who gets close
Throw Mjolnir, which can seek out a target and home in on it.
Just reach out and grab them.
Thor doesn't move or fight like the Flash, but that doesn't mean anyone with movement speed which eclipses his autowins against him.
And Vegeta isn't even as fast as Superman nor as strong so the point is moot.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank/thread
He can respond to a blitz. I don't get why people think he can't. He can either:Omniblast
Swing Mjolnir in a path that will tag anyone who gets close
Throw Mjolnir, which can seek out a target and home in on it.
Just reach out and grab them.Thor doesn't move or fight like the Flash, but that doesn't mean anyone with movement speed which eclipses his autowins against him.
And Vegeta isn't even as fast as Superman nor as strong so the point is moot.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He can respond to a blitz. I don't get why people think he can't. He can either:Omniblast
Swing Mjolnir in a path that will tag anyone who gets close
Throw Mjolnir, which can seek out a target and home in on it.
Just reach out and grab them.Thor doesn't move or fight like the Flash, but that doesn't mean anyone with movement speed which eclipses his autowins against him.
And Vegeta isn't even as fast as Superman nor as strong so the point is moot.
Using Superman as an example of the logic behind speed blitzing:
Think how Superman defeated Massacres precog ability. Massacre was definitely quick enough to respond to Supermans blitz attempts, but he couldn't respond to anything if he was stunned and reeling.
That's how I see it with Thor. It's not a question of whether he can detect Supermans attack. It's a question of whether it will matter if he's getting his brains scrambled by an assault.
Originally posted by cdtm
Using Superman as an example of the logic behind speed blitzing:Think how Superman defeated Massacres precog ability. Massacre was definitely quick enough to respond to Supermans blitz attempts, but he couldn't respond to anything if he was stunned and reeling.
That's how I see it with Thor. It's not a question of whether he can detect Supermans attack. It's a question of whether it will matter if he's getting his brains scrambled by an assault.
Since your going the CBR speed blitz type route:
Based on the reflexes his shown, Thor is capable of placing a barrier around him before Superman can touch him. All he has to do is think and it would happen.
Problem solved.
Is this the instance?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsHyperion5.jpg
Originally posted by cdtm
Look again.Hype clearly landed the first blow, Thor absorbed it and counterattacked.
A good feat for Thor, but also in line with what I was arguing.
this is a point of view thing...
to me it is clear that if Hype was able to land a clear blow with this speed and considering his strength, the effect would have been something much worse than a "ouf" from thor. maybe he would senf him in the botom of the sea or something. I don't say he didn't touch him, I say thor reacted to doge what would have been a full blow. and let's not forget that thor was not prepared for an attack as the squadron supreme were allies at this time.
Thor certainly has the spead to react to speedsters although he is not one
A few examples of power in early DB, just to make a little baseline for further discussion on later feats.
Tao Pai Pai's mode of transportation was to take stone pillars or large trees, throw them, and ride them across entire cities like a plane. This is clearly a feat of strength above Spider-man and probably above even class 50 characters like Carnage, so we can presume early DBZ characters at this stage were at least above class 50, but nothing Thor can't replicate with ease. Goku also leaped a large distance into the air and kicked a big missile back at a large war machine when he took on the red ribbon army, using nothing but brute strength.
When Goku fought Piccolo for the second time, they vanished in the middle of an open arena to the eyes of Kami. This is significant, as Kami is a speedster in his own right, and was actually stronger than both Goku and Piccolo up until they trained for the big tournament.
To put this in perspective, Roshi could catch multiple bullets from a machinegun, something early post crisis Wally West could NOT do (This is outright stated in an Armageddon 2001 Flash tie in.) And Roshi was a snail compared to Goku as of the Tenshinhan fight, and Goku received two power ups since that fight. Kami is also above Roshi, and always was.
So there's a little baseline from the early days, vs what happens later in the series..
Originally posted by cdtm
Look again.Hype clearly landed the first blow, Thor absorbed it and counterattacked.
A good feat for Thor, but also in line with what I was arguing.
I thought what you were arguing is that if Superman blitzes Thor, Thor wouldn't be able to react due to the power of Superman's attack. I.e being stunned by his blows etc.
That scan proves that Thor can react if someone on Superman's level attempts to blitz him. It serves to disprove your stance no support it.
Originally posted by Warlord
I remmebr him being able to dodge a blitzing Hyoerion for one thing...yeah Marvel artists should have lightning to highlight his movement since that's the only way to certify superhuman reflexes in internet
Hyperion definitely hit him but Thor reacted in response. Nothing wrong with that. Hyperion has nanosecond combat speed etc. Besides, the Squadron Supreme suddenly attacked (More specifically, Hyperion attacking Thor.) while the Avengers were trying to reason with them.
How is Vegeta weaker than Thor? In the Frieza saga(manga) pre-SSJ Goku kicked down Frieza(from a few hundred ft up) through an island which caused the entire island to be destroyed. Frieza after having half of his body being cut off still survived a planetary explosion. If we powerscale from there, then Vegeta would be atleast in Thor's league. Stronger most likely.
