Atheism

posted by Digi
LP, Christianity has numerous myth predecessors?

The OT God's anger is indisputable. Dress it up how u want, slavery is slavery. Good eating habits? y r they sins? y can I not come into contact with a woman during her period

Continued Digi.....paraphrased..

Y have nonsense rules if they don't affect salvation? Some laws are ignored or done away with.

The bible is all subjective and opinion

Originally posted by long pig
Continued Digi.....paraphrased..Any law of food and whatnot is to make healthy. If anyone ignores a law they r wrong. No, there is only one true meaning of the entire bible. I never said i was the only one who knows it. And u r wrong, the world would not b better off without true christianity, but itd b better off withou false christianity. Seriously, i dont believe, but i am well informed and the bible doctrine is flawless.

If you think that why are you not a believer?

The definition of sin is transgression of th law. But that doesnt mean all shop are equally bad(no matter what some dumb ass christians say). Some are worse than other which is why each sin gets a diff punishment. I have no idea where they get that masturbation is a sin, as for being gay, its not a sin. They are born that way. But acting on gay urges is a sin. I get what you mean Digi about me being the only one who knmys certain things and it may seen egotistical, but its true. You should hear my thoughts on tithing. Its a sin to tithe now.

Well, recognizing the perfection of the theology in the bible is based on fact, not faith. My lack of faith isn't due to the bible's lack of credibility, it's not my choice to have no faith. Faith is something god gives, and only a few people are given it. I'd love to have the faith of abraham. I'm just trusting god to understand why us non believes don't believe. In fact, the bible says god put most of the world in a slumber making it impossible for them to believe. There will be a thousand years after his return that we will be taught the truth by yeshua himself.

long pig is one confusing/confused individual.

Originally posted by long pig
Well, recognizing the perfection of the theology in the bible is based on fact, not faith. My lack of faith isn't due to the bible's lack of credibility, it's not my choice to have no faith. Faith is something god gives, and only a few people are given it. I'd love to have the faith of abraham. I'm just trusting god to understand why us non believes don't believe. In fact, the bible says god put most of the world in a slumber making it impossible for them to believe. There will be a thousand years after his return that we will be taught the truth by yeshua himself.

But if you know that the bible is flawless and true then you don't need faith to be a believer.

Originally posted by long pig
Well, recognizing the perfection of the theology in the bible is based on fact, not faith. My lack of faith isn't due to the bible's lack of credibility, it's not my choice to have no faith. Faith is something god gives, and only a few people are given it. I'd love to have the faith of abraham. I'm just trusting god to understand why us non believes don't believe. In fact, the bible says god put most of the world in a slumber making it impossible for them to believe. There will be a thousand years after his return that we will be taught the truth by yeshua himself.

Your faith in the bible is misplaced.

Originally posted by Digi
Probably the most common misconception of atheism. It doesn't claim proof of anything. If you think that atheism represents a statement of proof, you're working with a flawed definition. Even the most strident atheists won't claim to "know" there is no God, at least those with a modicum of sense about them.

There's really only a matter of severity between agnostics and atheists. Agnostics would mostly say "We don't know for sure." Atheists will mostly say "We don't know for sure, but I don't believe in a God." It's still a statement of belief, but much like Sym's marble analogy.

Interesting.

So ok, ok, ok. I guess I did indeed have major misconceptions about Atheism.

See I've always thought Agnostic was that line of thought, I thought that Athiests simply refused to accept there MIGHT potentially be a god.

Originally posted by long pig
In fact, the bible says god put most of the world in a slumber making it impossible for them to believe.

Originally posted by Liberator
Interesting.

So ok, ok, ok. I guess I did indeed have major misconceptions about Atheism.

See I've always thought Agnostic was that line of thought, I thought that Athiests simply refused to accept there MIGHT potentially be a god.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I barely even understand why people use the term agnostic. Usually in most cases the two are the same thing.

Originally posted by Mindship
One is placing his bet; the other is still thinking.

That's a pretty good way to put it actually.

Originally posted by Mindship
One is placing his bet; the other is still thinking.

Originally posted by Mindship
One is placing his bet; the other is still thinking.

Bottom line, one who doesn't believe in God is an atheist. For the last 10+ pages we've discussed at length how this is NOT necessarily the same as the positive claim that god is false, but simply a passive absence. Given that, I would say that 90% or more of agnostics fit into that category, because they don't themselves believe that there is a god, but simply don't take a position. Thus they don't register a positive belief in god's existence, and are atheists.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't think that's really true, though. Being an agnostic doesn't mean one is actively pursuing a new theological perspective, and being an atheist doesn't mean you've closed yourself off to asking those questions.

Bottom line, one who doesn't believe in God is an atheist. For the last 10+ pages we've discussed at length how this is NOT necessarily the same as the positive claim that god is false, but simply a passive absence. Given that, I would say that 90% or more of agnostics fit into that category, because they don't themselves believe that there is a god, but simply don't take a position. Thus they don't register a positive belief in god's existence, and are atheists.

You are right that agnosticism is generally used as "negative atheism" at the moment, however agnosticism does of course have a valid meaning.

That's why I said that most agnostics are atheists.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't think that's really true, though. Being an agnostic doesn't mean one is actively pursuing a new theological perspective, and being an atheist doesn't mean you've closed yourself off to asking those questions.

Bottom line, one who doesn't believe in God is an atheist. For the last 10+ pages we've discussed at length how this is NOT necessarily the same as the positive claim that god is false, but simply a passive absence. Given that, I would say that 90% or more of agnostics fit into that category, because they don't themselves believe that there is a god, but simply don't take a position. Thus they don't register a positive belief in god's existence, and are atheists.

Actually, since an atheist can still ask those questions, he's like a closet agnostic.

Originally posted by Mindship
But I see Joe Agnostic as also not registering a positive belief in God's nonexistence. .

Originally posted by King Kandy
To be an atheist, you just need to NOT have a positive belief in God.