Originally posted by Mindship
^ Cool. What's that creature? Looks almost like the Relic beast.
No clue. I don't really care about the video, I just think Nightwish's music kicks ass.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I can only assume that Digi posted a youtube video. All youtube is blocked here, so I just see a blank post. 😉
Yes, minds are being blown. A shame you can't take part.
Originally posted by Mindship
Yeah, yeah, that's cool too.Actually, if I knew how to upload a video directly into my post, I'd further derail this thread with some Rammstein.
Blah, Rammstein. Nightwish, Epica, Dragonforce, Evanescence if you're not into these bands and need a more mainstream example. I like my hard rock with an infusion of classical, which just elevates it to "absurdly epic" status. Even Slayer can't capture that awesome, it's really just good for scaring hippies (or my friends who listen to 20's-to-50's era big band).
Originally posted by DigiEvanescence. 👆
Blah, Rammstein. Nightwish, Epica, Dragonforce, Evanescence if you're not into these bands and need a more mainstream example. I like my hard rock with an infusion of classical, which just elevates it to "absurdly epic" status. Even Slayer can't capture that awesome, it's really just good for scaring hippies (or my friends who listen to 20's-to-50's era big band).
Actually, if you like your "hard rock with an infusion of classical," ( 👆+), may I recommend the early stuff of Renaissance. Between their use of classical sound/instruments and Annie Haslam's 5-octave-range voice, they can get quite epic. The link below is to what was probably their best known piece (they were never mainstream, and when they did go pop, well, I mourned their "passing"😉.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvFPlWh1yQY
Unfortunately, the above youtube -- while the best-sounding recording of that song -- cuts off the last minute or so, where their harmonzing really hits a crescendo. Their best stuff is from Prologue (intro album) and Turn of The Cards.
As for 20s-50s, it's tough to beat Cab Calloway, or Albert Ammons (below with Pete Johnson)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9X6xMkc6s8
As for thread relevance...I would imagine that somebody somewhere playing these types of music was an atheist.
Originally posted by Digi
Blah, Rammstein. Nightwish, Epica, Dragonforce, Evanescence if you're not into these bands and need a more mainstream example. I like my hard rock with an infusion of classical, which just elevates it to "absurdly epic" status. Even Slayer can't capture that awesome, it's really just good for scaring hippies (or my friends who listen to 20's-to-50's era big band).
Dragonforce...well...Dragonforce has maybe three good songs.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Epica is alright, but they're just Kamelot's little cousin.Dragonforce...well...Dragonforce has maybe three good songs.
Your mom has maybe three good songs.
uhuh
Seriously though, every Dragonforce song is basically the same. Some incoherent lyrics before a 5-minute impossibly complex guitar solo. I would think they'd be one of the last bands to engender this kind of response.
Kamelot's decent. They don't bring it as consistently as the ones I mentioned though, imo. They're missing something transcendent. There's lots that have elements of that same sound: Therion, Amon Amarth, Lacuna Coil, even some of the more epic fare from Muse or Coheed and Cambria (though I despise their emo lyrics). Nightwish is probably consistently my favorite. More complexity and power overall.
Originally posted by Mindship
Evanescence. 👆Actually, if you like your "hard rock with an infusion of classical," ( 👆+), may I recommend the early stuff of Renaissance. Between their use of classical sound/instruments and Annie Haslam's 5-octave-range voice, they can get quite epic. The link below is to what was probably their best known piece (they were never mainstream, and when they did go pop, well, I mourned their "passing"😉.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvFPlWh1yQY
Unfortunately, the above youtube -- while the best-sounding recording of that song -- cuts off the last minute or so, where their harmonzing really hits a crescendo. Their best stuff is from Prologue (intro album) and Turn of The Cards.
As for 20s-50s, it's tough to beat Cab Calloway, or Albert Ammons (below with Pete Johnson)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9X6xMkc6s8
As for thread relevance...I would imagine that somebody somewhere playing these types of music was an atheist.
That Northern Lights song...I think you're missing the point. I don't want hippie bands that sound like a unicorn riding through the meadow. I want bands that sound like they're wearing the skin of the unicorn so that a tiny bit of magic mixes with the blood and thunder emitting from their lips.
Awesome video with the piano duet. That's not Big Band though. Jazz is pretty cool from any era, but is a very mood-specific thing.
If you like Evanescence though, check out the other bands I mentioned. I'm actually not really a big Evan. fan (some good songs, meh overall), I just use them as an example because they're the closest mainstream band to ones that I do like.
I wouldn't worry much about staying on topic. From a forum perspective, this is my thread and I'm also a mod. From a conceptual standpoint, discussion is discussion. Nightwish might be as close to religion as I get, so it's actually completely relevant.
YouTube video
...not sure what's up the anime video. I couldn't find a regular non-live version though.
Originally posted by Digi😂
That Northern Lights song...I think you're missing the point. I don't want hippie bands that sound like a unicorn riding through the meadow. I want bands that sound like they're wearing the skin of the unicorn so that a tiny bit of magic mixes with the blood and thunder emitting from their lips.
Oh what the hell (skip to 2:34 if you don't like a sitar-type sound).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox_hzO6SIAY&feature=related
Originally posted by DigiActually I was never a fan of Big Band, but you mentioned 20s-50s, and that reminded me of some great boogie.
Awesome video with the piano duet. That's not Big Band though. Jazz is pretty cool from any era, but is a very mood-specific thing.
Originally posted by Digi
Your mom has maybe three good songs.uhuh
Seriously though, every Dragonforce song is basically the same. Some incoherent lyrics before a 5-minute impossibly complex guitar solo. I would think they'd be one of the last bands to engender this kind of response.
Kamelot's decent. They don't bring it as consistently as the ones I mentioned though, imo. They're missing something transcendent. There's lots that have elements of that same sound: Therion, Amon Amarth, Lacuna Coil, even some of the more epic fare from Muse or Coheed and Cambria (though I despise their emo lyrics). Nightwish is probably consistently my favorite. More complexity and power overall.
http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-us-atheists-turn-reason-rally-221111895.html
Anyone else see this? A lackluster turnout as giant rallies go, but there were some A-listers on hand and it seemed like a cool gathering.
I've never pretended that atheism are more marginalized than other traditionally put-upon groups, but fear and hatred does exist toward them on a not-insignificant level, so I don't mind seeing some of these awareness-raising events. And, religious or not, I don't think anyone should mind an injection of reason into the national discussion, which was part of the rally's message.
They did manage to obscure some statistics in the article though. Painting the 15% "nones" in the country as atheistic is false. Most of those are agnostic and wouldn't be found at such a rally. I think the most recent figure has atheists somewhere between 3-4%. So they're a growing demographic, that much is true, but not quite as much as the article might lead you to believe.
Heard about that on NPR. There was a lady...and I'm horrible with names...that said atheism needs the angry atheist and the kind atheist types if "things are going to work". I tend to agree. She was referring to this gathering, to be exact.
But getting a bunch of people together that specifically dislike some of the ideas and teachings of organized religion is counterintuitive, imo. I did not think they were going to get the 30,000 people turn out that they were saying they would get.
Originally posted by Digi
They did manage to obscure some statistics in the article though. Painting the 15% "nones" in the country as atheistic is false. Most of those are agnostic and wouldn't be found at such a rally. I think the most recent figure has atheists somewhere between 3-4%. So they're a growing demographic, that much is true, but not quite as much as the article might lead you to believe.
This is how one of my employees are: he is agnostic and strongly dislikes being labeled as "atheist" by those polls.
In fact, I think the vast majority of so-called "atheists" are agnostics including Dawkins. They are just labels and boy do people love labels.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Heard about that on NPR. There was a lady...and I'm horrible with names...that said atheism needs the angry atheist and the kind atheist types if "things are going to work". I tend to agree. She was referring to this gathering, to be exact.But getting a bunch of people together that specifically dislike some of the ideas and teachings of organized religion is counterintuitive, imo. I did not think they were going to get the 30,000 people turn out that they were saying they would get.
This is how one of my employees are: he is agnostic and strongly dislikes being labeled as "atheist" by those polls.
In fact, I think the vast majority of so-called "atheists" are agnostics including Dawkins. They are just labels and boy do people love labels.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Atheism defined as "there is no God and I know it" is epistemically irrational, so I'd hope no one was atheist if that was the case.
There are such people. Mostly people who have unexamined philosophies.
In a limited way you can support that position (assuming you accept at least one of empiricism or rationalism). Some gods are simply inconsistent with reality and some are logically impossible.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Atheism defined as "there is no God and I know it" is epistemically irrational, so I'd hope no one was atheist if that was the case.
Well, I'd wager that many that "think" they are atheist are actually Ignosticists which is just another flavor of agnosticism. This is what most famous atheists like Dawkins or Teller would represent...but I caution on labeling Teller as he clearly states that he is a gnostic atheist...the very type to which you cringed.
I think a single label is not possible for everyone. There are some elements of my personal beliefs that make me a "weak agnostic" but I label myself as an agnostic theist. Naw what I mean?
http://www.alexfiles.com/thomas-huxleys-letter-on-the-death-of-his-son/
"I neither deny nor affirm the immortality of man. I see no reason for believing in it, but, on the other hand, I have no means of disproving it."
That line of reasoning leads down a gigantic rabbit hole of uncertainty where even your supposed existence can be questioned. 🙁
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There are such people. Mostly people who have unexamined philosophies.In a limited way you can support that position (assuming you accept at least one of empiricism or rationalism). Some gods are simply inconsistent with reality and some are logically impossible.
Which gods are logically impossible because, from certain atheistic perspectives, all the gods would literally be real or exist.
Originally posted by dadudemon
In fact, I think the vast majority of so-called "atheists" are agnostics including Dawkins. They are just labels and boy do people love labels.
We've had label discussion, no need to do so now. But this is ridiculous. If Dawkins isn't an atheist, there's about 2 people in the entire world who actually are.
Originally posted by inimalist
someone is really going to have to clarify the difference between "knowing" and "believing" for me...
In my experience "knowing" is most often just the term that dumb people use in place of "believing for a bad reason" or more benignly "being really really really sure".
Originally posted by Mindship
Yeah, yeah, that's cool too.Actually, if I knew how to upload a video directly into my post, I'd further derail this thread with some Rammstein.
That's the spirit, the chemicals between us by bush was such a powerful song it triggered an apocalyptic event known as 9-11, like a butterfly may trigger a hurricane, chaos, a science that can be mastered through advanced fractal mathematics novel applications
Nice song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNdfsdFcsMM&feature=player_embedded
That line of reasoning leads down a gigantic rabbit hole of uncertainty where even your supposed existence can be questioned
Which gods are logically impossible because, from certain atheistic perspectives, all the gods would literally be real or exist.
As ideas gods exist, within simulations and mmorpgs, virtual reality, matrix like simulations gods may be real in a very real sense. Yet dependent on the underlying physical reality for sustainance.
If we believe that truth exists, that may be sufficient for high skill level that may yield science indistinguishable from magic, and thus miracle like technology. So that humans could very well call the peak humans in different fields most certainly gods or godlike at the least.
Alice is good at giving titles, god is just one more title to give.
btw, the anime video above, Rurouni kenshin's skill is described as beyond godlike speed.
The linked song from my post embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNdfsdFcsMM&feature=player_embedded
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Atheist perspective song.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There are such people. Mostly people who have unexamined philosophies.In a limited way you can support that position (assuming you accept at least one of empiricism or rationalism). Some gods are simply inconsistent with reality and some are logically impossible.