Atheism

See, you see a link to add to your favorites, I see a headache.

Basically they just rename the same friggin' distinctions. Functionally, that list is equivalent to the one of mine we were using in the other thread. It's grouped differently, but it's all the same categories.

And they DO have to use the word atheism to describe what I am. They preface it with "agnostic," so even by your favored list it's a form of atheism and agnosticism. Like a weird hybrid that only serves to make our futile debate here a draw. lol.

Pretty much proof that it doesn't really matter what we call ourselves, just how those beliefs manifest themselves in our lives (which relates back to the inamilist quote I've been posting recently).

Originally posted by dadudemon
Question: Do you get people like that at your door, very often?

I do not. Though I consider it only a matter of time before I'm confronted in some form. I'll be happy to try the experiment myself if I get the chance.

Originally posted by Digi
See, you see a link to add to your favorites, I see a headache.

I'll be adding a website, not a webpage, to my favorites. The link I posted was for your benefit. I already know 90% of the information on that website.

Originally posted by Digi
Basically they just rename the same friggin' distinctions.

That's a pretty shitty slippery slope you just created for yourself because now you've just defined you and I as having the same metaphysical beliefs, conceded this entire argument by indirectly admitting that you're actually agnostic, and told about 200 years of many different philosophers that they made no progress.

I'm sure none of those three things you actually believe so I'll ignore your statement and consider it just frustration over philosophy.

Originally posted by Digi
Functionally, that list is equivalent to the one of mine we were using in the other thread. It's grouped differently, but it's all the same categories.

Not really. Your list (including the expanded version to include theisms...or was that my addition? I don't remember) included the span from agnosticism to atheism.

Originally posted by Digi
And they DO have to use the word atheism to describe what I am. They preface it with "agnostic," so even by your favored list it's a form of atheism and agnosticism. Like a weird hybrid that only serves to make our futile debate here a draw. lol.

But...it's a subcategory of agnosticism. "agnostic atheism" is a type of agnosticism, not atheism.

And it is not my "favored list". 😬

And, no, you've ignored the fact that it is a type of agnosticism, not a hybrid. There is no "draw" as I was right from the beginning. The only point of me continuing this discussion with you, despite how useless and futile it has been, was the hope that you'd come around.

I believe you did come around a post or two back, though. I can't be arsed to look. So right now, we are just masturbating the conversation, to steal a phrase from you.

Originally posted by Digi
Pretty much proof that it doesn't really matter what we call ourselves, just how those beliefs manifest themselves in our lives (which relates back to the inamilist quote I've been posting recently).

three things...

1. It does matter as I've pointed out recently. You care deeply for what label you have for yourself as do the extreme majority of people. It is messing with someone's self-identity of years to tell them that they and their associates have been mislabeling themselves.

2. I agree that it is more important for how those beliefs manifest themselves in our actions and thoughts: the labels don't really matter as long as you know what they actually are.

3. "inimalist" estahuh

Originally posted by Digi
I do not. Though I consider it only a matter of time before I'm confronted in some form. I'll be happy to try the experiment myself if I get the chance.

It's fun as hell. Much more fun than the "telemarketers".

I guess it is the equivalent of trolling in real life. hmm

Also, more in general to the thread...and anyone can answer...

Have you lost any friends (good ones) or family members because you "came out" as an atheist?

I can say that I lost one good friend, over the years, when he found out I was a Mormon. I am quite certain atheists experience this as well. Share your stories, basically, on what the world did or did not do when you spoke up.

Let me take another stab here, because I feel like you're misreading some of my comments.

Because you've seen me preface even atheistic statements with the "we don't know for sure, but..." you're saying I'm agnostic. In a technical sense, I can't argue. My approach, though, has been a sociological one. Basically, you can say most atheists are "wrong" about their label, but I'm looking at it in terms of self-identity, not textbook veracity. If that is what atheism has become in the cultural zeitgeist, that's the definition that matters more to me, because it has real-world implications. I only care about the label insofar as it has some sort of sociological impact. Your strict definitions don't have that impact, because they aren't adopted by society.

So it's not an appeal to authority to say that they're right and you're wrong. It's an appeal to practicality, to say that the average self-identifying atheist's definition is more relevant to any discussion of modern atheism than yours. Because I don't want to split hairs on labels...I just want to talk about issues that atheists deal with.

Originally posted by Digi
Let me take another stab here, because I feel like you're misreading some of my comments.

Because you've seen me preface even atheistic statements with the "we don't know for sure, but..." you're saying I'm agnostic. In a technical sense, I can't argue.

Like I said, I really don't think we ever really had an argument because you admitted that at the very worst...academically and technically, it IS a form of agnosticism.

In fact, I think we wasted a shit load of each other's time and, instead, got into a pissing match.

Originally posted by Digi
My approach, though, has been a sociological one. Basically, you can say most atheists are "wrong" about their label, but I'm looking at it in terms of self-identity, not textbook veracity.

But I obviously am and you argued against such a position (the "textbook veracity" one). I would not have continued this discussion had I approached the topic with no clear definition of which "side" I was arguing. I clearly outlined my position from the beginning and the approach I was taking.

Originally posted by Digi
If that is what atheism has become in the cultural zeitgeist, that's the definition that matters more to me, because it has real-world implications. I only care about the label insofar as it has some sort of sociological impact. Your strict definitions don't have that impact, because they aren't adopted by society.

I wouldn't call my definitions strict. I would say I have a giant swathe of definitions I am using but I just happen to be using the correct words for the correct definitions. It would actually be a very limited (and wrong) application of a very few words that most "atheists" are doing these days.

Don't you think it makes them appear less ignorant to use the correct labels? If they are going for a quick and easy label, "agnostic" would be more appropriate. If they are wanting to be pedantic, "agnostic atheist" would be the most appropriate.

But "atheist" has more of a punch. As I have pointed out in another discussion, "coming out" as atheist is considered a "risk taking" behavior. People are being risky. They perceive it as risky. Now, this is in general, not for every last case. So don't you think the professed "atheist" enjoys the risky claim of calling themselves atheists? It is not as risky if they claim a more bland and academic term for their belief system. Maybe that's why your experience of "agnosticism" gets less flack because people see it as less harmless out of ignorance (seriously, I don't know why...just speculating)?

Now, that's just one approach for why so many people are incorrectly claiming to be atheist. There are many reasons to claim to be atheist including academic and logical ones.

Originally posted by Digi
So it's not an appeal to authority to say that they're right and you're wrong. It's an appeal to practicality, to say that the average self-identifying atheist's definition is more relevant to any discussion of modern atheism than yours. Because I don't want to split hairs on labels...I just want to talk about issues that atheists deal with.

And you use an appeal to population. In the realm where the literal authorities - a philosopher that coined the word - set the definitions, the appeal to authority is the far less "grievous" sin. I was just contemplating on these "labels" and realized that the majority of so called "atheists" are actually agnostics.

And the issues that atheists deal with are the same that agnostics deal with, imo. It just depends on how strong either position is.

More on topic and less on the old argument...

I was reading recently and there is some modern philosopher that claims one can know God and have evidence of it. I need to read more. He's a philosopher professor and I don't remember his name. If his arguments are sound, that would be interesting/awesome because my biggest problem with any theistic religion is the "blind faith"* part. (*The colloquial sense of that phrase...not the philosophy definition I was talking with Digi about).

Originally posted by dadudemon
Like I said, I really don't think we ever really had an argument because you admitted that at the very worst...academically and technically, it IS a form of agnosticism.

In fact, I think we wasted a shit load of each other's time and, instead, got into a pissing match.

lol, sorry. At least we always seem to manage to end amicably.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But I obviously am and you argued against such a position (the "textbook veracity" one). I would not have continued this discussion had I approached the topic with no clear definition of which "side" I was arguing. I clearly outlined my position from the beginning and the approach I was taking.

I did argue against it, but I kept trying (and failing) to shift the topic to a less semantic one, because it was honestly never of the utmost importance to me. The agnostic list you posted, the one I created in an earlier thread, others I'm sure we could create, they all get you to the same place.

You did seem to get the impression that I was upset that you were calling me agnostic. I wasn't, at least not how you thought. The label itself doesn't matter to me - it only mattered that it initially seemed like you were lumping me in with people that I don't agree with (i.e. most theists). Even the link you posted describes me as "agnostic atheism" and made a distinction between types of agnosticism. That's fine by me...we just can't create a melting pot that includes too many types of beliefs. Try to paint us all with a broad brush, and the label loses meaning...so someone calling themselves an atheist and someone attending church on Sunday would be under the same banner. As long as there are coherent distinctions in logical places, I'm ok with it. Your link manages that - not exactly how I would but reliably enough to use.

So if you want the agnostic concession from me, you have it. I was tacitly using it with my "we don't know" modifiers, I just didn't think (and still don't think) we needed to make the linguistic plunge into agnosticism for reasons stated in the immediate prior paragraph.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't you think it makes them appear less ignorant to use the correct labels? If they are going for a quick and easy label, "agnostic" would be more appropriate. If they are wanting to be pedantic, "agnostic atheist" would be the most appropriate.

Agnostic atheist might be most appropriate, but I have no problem either way. If modern "atheism" is functionally "agnostic atheism" the beliefs are the same. Language changes, and colloquial meanings rarely synch up perfectly with technical definitions. It's a fundamental truth of language. It doesn't bother me, because it again doesn't change the sociological conversation. The same problems, challenges, beliefs, trends, etc. exist regardless of what the movement is called.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But "atheist" has more of a punch. As I have pointed out in another discussion, "coming out" as atheist is considered a "risk taking" behavior. People are being risky. They perceive it as risky. Now, this is in general, not for every last case. So don't you think the professed "atheist" enjoys the risky claim of calling themselves atheists? It is not as risky if they claim a more bland and academic term for their belief system. Maybe that's why your experience of "agnosticism" gets less flack because people see it as less harmless out of ignorance (seriously, I don't know why...just speculating)?

Most people don't dissect agnosticism like we do. To some agnosticism means "I don't know." To others, it means "I believe in something" but "something" is never defined. To others, they treat it as being spiritual or believing in certain religious phenomenon, but not a specific deity. In either case, it doesn't openly challenge or defy theism. That's why it receives less flack. The reaction to atheism is fear-based at its core. It represents a challenge to a worldview.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And you use an appeal to population. In the realm where the literal authorities - a philosopher that coined the word - set the definitions, the appeal to authority is the far less "grievous" sin. I was just contemplating on these "labels" and realized that the majority of so called "atheists" are actually agnostics.

Agnostic atheists. If you're going to be exacting with them, you would have to be so yourself as well. Just leaving it at "agnostic" is too vague to actually describe their approach to religion with any clarity at all.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And the issues that atheists deal with are the same that agnostics deal with, imo.

Not in relation to others, it's not. Atheists are among the most mistrusted demographics in the country. That's not me talking, it's decades of research. Agnostics, not even on the radar for that distinction. If you're talking philosophically, then sure. Societally, hell no.

Originally posted by Digi
lol, sorry. At least we always seem to manage to end amicably.

I do not do that to most people on KMC (drop the strength of my arguments and concede to a middle ground), by the way: just ask inimalist. 😐

It's probably because of those sexy pecs of yours that I am unable to continue arguing. 313

Originally posted by Digi
Agnostic atheists. If you're going to be exacting with them, you would have to be so yourself as well. Just leaving it at "agnostic" is too vague to actually describe their approach to religion with any clarity at all.

Well, no, I meant "agnostics". The flavor of agnosticism I was referring to is from Huxley (the philosopher that coined the word) and his flavor is agnostic atheism as we define it in today's theosophy classes (yes, we had to get more specific with the degrees of "agnosticism" as we matured in our philosophy even since the 19th Century) .

On top of that, the general label works in this context, as well. You and I are both agnostics. More specifically, you are an agnostic atheist and I am an agnostic theist. Richard Dawkins is an agnostic (to his own admission) but he also clarifies that he is an agnostic atheist (but never directly says so) with a very strong emphasis on the atheist portion. This is hardly news to people like you and I but is news or would even be shocking to...coffee shop "atheists".

Originally posted by Digi
Not in relation to others, it's not. Atheists are among the most mistrusted demographics in the country. That's not me talking, it's decades of research. Agnostics, not even on the radar for that distinction. If you're talking philosophically, then sure. Societally, hell no.

Hmm. I do not know if I agree with that. that = agnostics are treated "better" than atheists in the polls to which you are referring. IIRC, the polls sometimes lumped in agnostics with the atheists. On top of that, I do no believe the polls were done to control for and ensure the results were specific to atheists and not a muddy mess on what exactly they were asking. (I google searched and could not find shit to back either perspective up).

But, to be fully honest with you, I do not have as much trust/comfort with people on an intellectual level if they are gnostic atheists or gnostic theists. Those type of people, from my experience, are ***holes. I have more experience with the gnostic theists than atheists...living in the bible belt and being Mormon n'all. 🙁

Originally posted by dadudemon
I do not do that to most people on KMC (drop the strength of my arguments and concede to a middle ground), by the way: just ask inimalist. 😐

It's probably because of those sexy pecs of yours that I am unable to continue arguing. 313

crackers
At one point I was much less comfortable with homoerotic overtures toward me. But I work for an arts organization now, so I am used to it and see it as a compliment.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Hmm. I do not know if I agree with that. that = agnostics are treated "better" than atheists in the polls to which you are referring. IIRC, the polls sometimes lumped in agnostics with the atheists. On top of that, I do no believe the polls were done to control for and ensure the results were specific to atheists and not a muddy mess on what exactly they were asking. (I google searched and could not find shit to back either perspective up).

But, to be fully honest with you, I do not have as much trust/comfort with people on an intellectual level if they are gnostic atheists or gnostic theists. Those type of people, from my experience, are ***holes. I have more experience with the gnostic theists than atheists...living in the bible belt and being Mormon n'all. 🙁

All the data I am familiar with is very specific toward "atheism." Now, it's people reacting to societal atheists (your "agnostic atheists"😉 but they don't use the term agnostic. The negative reaction and mistrust is directed toward "atheist."

The Tea Party made news a few months back because they were tracking in polls as less trusted than atheists. Which is news, because no one's done that in decades. Communists in the 50's, Muslims after 9/11 and Tea Party'ers within the last year. That's basically it.

Originally posted by Digi
crackers
At one point I was much less comfortable with homoerotic overtures toward me. But I work for an arts organization now, so I am used to it and see it as a compliment.

Let me be clear that I would never ever be sexually attracted to your beastly and manly form. Ever. uhuh

But, no, seriously, I think I am a 0 on the Kinsey scale. You're safe from molestation.

Originally posted by Digi
All the data I am familiar with is very specific toward "atheism." Now, it's people reacting to societal atheists (your "agnostic atheists"😉 but they don't use the term agnostic. The negative reaction and mistrust is directed toward "atheist."

The Tea Party made news a few months back because they were tracking in polls as less trusted than atheists. Which is news, because no one's done that in decades. Communists in the 50's, Muslims after 9/11 and Tea Party'ers within the last year. That's basically it.

Dude, I do not like the Tea Party peeps. There are very few people that irritate me to such a level. Sure, they share some points with me but after the libertarian movement was hijacked and turned into an evangelical, racist, sexist, elitist movement, it soured.

There is no doubt in my mind that even "reasonable" evangelicals would use caution with the Tea Partiers. If the US wants to stop terrorism, they should probably be keeping a closer eye on those people.

Now, this is not the say that there are some really smart and well-reasoned TPs in the Tea Party. Some are probably smart. I am referring to the overall ideas and movement. They scare me. 🙁

But I do think that agnostics are being lumped in with those atheists in those polls. I have no way to support that.

atheism,

in ffvii, the most powerful and beloved game of the psx era. We see a glorified terrorist group called avalanche, and these are the heroes those who put a war on terror are the enemies of freedom.

In matrix movie trilogy again killing cops and federal agents is seen as fighting the good fight. Terrorism is glorified once more.

This happens again and again, throughout fiction, throughout reality, throughout existence, even the founding fathers would lie along side by side as patriots with these men who defend freedom from tyranny, who protect the rights of minorities from the abuses of the law of men, which will always break before divine law(mathematical platonic realism).

V for Vendetta

Anonymous, Al qaeda.

There may be no god per se, but those that declare a war on terror and persecute minorities because of their orientation(pedophiles) or their religion(muslisms)

They, THEY ARE THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM OF THE PEOPLE, and whether there is a god or not they should PREPARE THEMSELVES FOR THE WONDERS FOR THE WONDERS.

The prophecy, the promise, may've been no more than a myth born of primitive men's quest for meaning, but it can and shall be self-fulfilling

6VTH5SWDFq4 ->YHWH youtube authorization code, signature

1984

HrXyLrTRXso&feature=fvwrel

A homunculus, code has been generated.
f9e4fkop7CE ->youtube homunculus mind born of man

You declare yourselves Enemies of Allah, then you shall have no trouble embracing the law of Allah.

j8ghWuorGVk ->youtube tears of sacred stone, green lines of code

Living god, living word, living code, living law, logos, according to 'V', all global system security cracked by p=np basis self-modifying code.
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Taste the blade of light, DIVINE WEAPON SYSTEM CELESTIAL SWORD WEAPONS SYSTEM, CELESTIAL BEING

Genesis 3:24 So he drove the man away and stationed cherubs at the east of the garden of Eden, and a whirling flaming sword to guard the way to the tree of life.-thebricktestament

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
atheism,

in ffvii, the most powerful and beloved game of the psx era. We see a glorified terrorist group called avalanche, and these are the heroes those who put a war on terror are the enemies of freedom.

In matrix movie trilogy again killing cops and federal agents is seen as fighting the good fight. Terrorism is glorified once more.

This happens again and again, throughout fiction, throughout reality, throughout existence, even the founding fathers would lie along side by side as patriots with these men who defend freedom from tyranny, who protect the rights of minorities from the abuses of the law of men, which will always break before divine law(mathematical platonic realism).

V for Vendetta

Anonymous, Al qaeda.

There may be no god per se, but those that declare a war on terror and persecute minorities because of their orientation(pedophiles) or their religion(muslisms)

They, THEY ARE THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM OF THE PEOPLE, and whether there is a god or not they should PREPARE THEMSELVES FOR THE WONDERS FOR THE WONDERS.

The prophecy, the promise, may've been no more than a myth born of primitive men's quest for meaning, but it can and shall be self-fulfilling

6VTH5SWDFq4 ->YHWH youtube authorization code, signature

1984

HrXyLrTRXso&feature=fvwrel

A homunculus, code has been generated.
f9e4fkop7CE ->youtube homunculus mind born of man

You declare yourselves Enemies of Allah, then you shall have no trouble embracing the law of Allah.

j8ghWuorGVk ->youtube tears of sacred stone, green lines of code

Living god, living word, living code, living law, logos, according to 'V', all global system security cracked by p=np basis self-modifying code.
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Taste the blade of light, DIVINE WEAPON SYSTEM CELESTIAL SWORD WEAPONS SYSTEM, CELESTIAL BEING

Allah...

The founder and progenitor of our fluffy souffles. If it weren't for our digimons trying their hardest to break through the 4th wall and break our lego castles, we could put down our lava lamps and eat our souffles with TV Remotes instead of broken sporks.

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That is obviously not a problem of consciousness but simply the solution to finding an Euler brick that has space diagonal being an integer.

THE INDIGO CHILDREN WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND IT WILL BE COME A NP COMPLETE AT THAT POINT. FLYING HOT DOGS CAN BE FOUND AT FOOD FIGHTS NEXT TO OSCAR MaYER PLANTS. These flying hotdogs explain the need to explore the unknown and why AI will ALWAYS win:

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The weiner fights were predicted in ages past. Even Aristotelian postulates can find their origins in a forward thinking, though supplanted, weenie fight.

It is the fault of the spoons wanting to be forks causing these delimas. This has caused us to weaken our resolve and consume with the bastard children of both. Enjoy your sporks because it is holy writ:

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come
in and eat with him, and he with me. Revelation 3:20

Surely He will bring a spork to sup with you?

Pork Chop Sandwiches.

Sophia, hope, the messiah
Lacan
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Forever, betraying justice, freedom. Sacrificing the innocent upon the altar of reason.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Allah...

The founder and progenitor of our fluffy souffles. If it weren't for our digimons trying their hardest to break through the 4th wall and break our lego castles, we could put down our lava lamps and eat our souffles with TV Remotes instead of broken sporks.

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That is obviously not a problem of consciousness but simply the solution to finding an Euler brick that has space diagonal being an integer.

THE INDIGO CHILDREN WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND IT WILL BE COME A NP COMPLETE AT THAT POINT. FLYING HOT DOGS CAN BE FOUND AT FOOD FIGHTS NEXT TO OSCAR MaYER PLANTS. These flying hotdogs explain the need to explore the unknown and why AI will ALWAYS win:

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The weiner fights were predicted in ages past. Even Aristotelian postulates can find their origins in a forward thinking, though supplanted, weenie fight.

It is the fault of the spoons wanting to be forks causing these delimas. This has caused us to weaken our resolve and consume with the bastard children of both. Enjoy your sporks because it is holy writ:

Surely He will bring a spork to sup with you?

Pork Chop Sandwiches.

Lies nothing but lies, nothing behind that smile, nothing behind that face, nothingness, the abyss that stares right back at you, confabulated meaning, no control at all, no real feeling but pretense, counterfeits, just counterfeits, everything is meaningless
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To realize this, to see this, to truly grasp this is to taste of the knowlegde, the tree of knowledge science, and truly die and live in agony everlasting.

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All us philosophical zombies...All us philosophical zombies, narcissus dancing in a hall of mirrors . Alone for all eternity, in love with our reflection(s), no more than machines, functions, seeking nonexistent purpose, meaning.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
There was nothing, there is nothing, and there will be nothing more

Lies nothing but lies, nothing behind that smile, nothing behind that face, nothingness, the abyss that stares right back at you, confabulated meaning, no control at all, no real feeling but pretense, counterfeits, just counterfeits, everything is meaningless
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To realize this, to see this, to truly grasp this is to taste of the knowlegde, the tree of knowledge science, and truly die and live in agony everlasting.

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All us philosophical zombies...All us philosophical zombies, narcissus dancing in a hall of mirrors . Alone for all eternity, in love with our reflection(s), no more than machines, functions, seeking nonexistent purpose, meaning.

It compels you to relieve yourself of your P-Zombie construct. The only mercy is to snuff out your own life so you can become one with the abyss.

Commit suicide with your phaser pistol and make your will out to Jar Jar Binks. It is the only true path to enlightenment.

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Secondarily, relief can come from the pedestal of superficial cleanliness. The fires of purification. The toilet. Yes, freeze your poop and brush your teeth with your brown bananas. Then you will be enlightened and the illusion will be no more and we will be one again.

Purpose...

"we create our own purpose in life"-lex luthor

Rozen MAIDEN SERIES
ALICE GAME
ALICE DOLL
GOD DOLL

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synthetic biology, a single cell born of the machine

The pen to write in god's own ink, the DNA synthesizer. Together with bio-informatics, more human than human one day flesh and blood dolls born of man's own mind. Rozen Corp. Tyrell Corp.

Father, Rozen, Tyrell CEO and Founder, God of biomechanics

one day in the decades to come, the technological progress will've made it cheap and easy enough to move into the garages of the next gates and jobs, therein the means to an end for biohackers to gain the science of miracles and play as gods.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Purpose...

"we create our own purpose in life"-lex luthor

Rozen MAIDEN SERIES
ALICE GAME
ALICE DOLL
GOD DOLL

YouTube video

4lW0F1sccqk&feature=player_embedded

synthetic biology, a single cell born of the machine

The pen to write in god's own ink, the DNA synthesizer. Together with bio-informatics, more human than human one day flesh and blood dolls born of man's own mind. Rozen Corp. Tyrell Corp.

Father, Rozen, Tyrell CEO and Founder, God of biomechanics

one day in the decades to come, the technological progress will've made it cheap and easy enough to move into the garages of the next gates and jobs, therein the means to an end for biohackers to gain the science of miracles and play as gods.

Then "we" can live out "our" sick pedo fantasies with the child-like dolls we have created a la Rozen Maidens. This will all be possible because Steve Jobs is masturbating in his garage while holding hands with Tyrell.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Then "we" can live out "our" sick pedo fantasies with the child-like dolls we have created a la Rozen Maidens. This will all be possible because Steve Jobs is masturbating in his garage while holding hands with Tyrell.

?

9 years 9 months 9 decades, if there is no mind behind the body and you simply have flesh with a wifi computer interface rather than a brain, then it is no different than enjoying a fine steak. ENTIRE Organs have already been tissue engineered or printed in the labs around the world.

IT all makes sense in its own weird way and in the end is right(Bible code, Jesus let the children come to him speech, Reagan coded speech between the lines, and Quran, not to mention it is in the constitution of the united states in code, there's very very deep meaning behind the books alice in wonderland and through the looking glass by lewis carroll. Also Peter Pan, and Michael Jackson's songs, not to mention Michael Jordan and Baby Ruth numerical record achievements analyzed as codes)
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Serial experiments lain apple connection

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In the meantime photorealistic computer graphic dating simulators will have to do.

Btw it is very likely that a single pc from a few decades from now can control a whole harem of dolls wirelessly.

The real secret behind mona lisa and Davinci code

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also deals with imprinting, twilight saga books, harry potter books, superman, naruto and bleach, dragon ball, chrono cross, chrono trigger, final fantasy vi, final fantasy iv, final fantasy vii, final fantasy v, dragon quest, xenogears, lain psx, and a few others
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Mona Lisa

Victorique

Victoria's Secret

Final solution to alice game's

Alice's one true name is...

suspense

Victorique

'V' True leader of anonymous, the Illuminati, united states, al qaeda, British empire, Germany, france, japan, china, australia and russia, and a few others like skynet created out of thin air by retrocausal temporal loop paradox denial.

and then we enter the Victorian Era, wherein censorship of the net becomes impossible.

like the wizard of oz, all smoke and mirrors nothing out of the ordinary nothing supernatural just your every day application of science and technology, yet we can say that a wizard did it in a metaphorical symbolic token kinda way.

"reconstructing the fragments of chaos using (her) wellspring of wisdom"-Victorique, from gosick

'gosick' cool name for the anime right?

ESN, don't spam the thread. Make an actual point using coherent language or I start editing your posts. Random music videos aren't religious arguments.

Originally posted by Digi
ESN, don't spam the thread. Make an actual point using coherent language or I start editing your posts. Random music videos aren't religious arguments.

THEY AREN'T OK
HOW ABOUT A VIDEO QUOTE FROM GOD ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION

GOD IS SCHALA
HERE's THE ANSWER YOU LOOK NO SPAM PLAIN ENGLISH JUST READ IT OR DO YOU WANT ME TO SPELL IT FOR YOU

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direct quote from god, final stage of evolution, song of songs(from solomon), genesis romantic poetry between brother and sister regarding their bed all of creation

The last appearance of Schala in the Chrono series is, like her disappearance in Chrono Trigger, painfully without stable ground. It is unknown where she goes after she is freed, or why finding Serge would be such an impossible task considering she knows that he is in 1020 A.D. Odd enough as well is the fact that she makes no mention of Magus, a brother who has devoted his life to finding her. However, the most enigmatic aspect of the ending is her deliverance of a few lines in Kid's manner of speaking and her signing the ending journal entry as Schala "Kid" Zeal. This raises the question of whether the two were fused together, but considering that Kid had declared her independence on Opassa Beach, and that we never see such a fusion, it is unlikely. Additionally, the issue of Schala giving her pendant to Kid and therefore not allowing Marle to receive it by way of Guardian heirloom is an old one. Additionally, it is worth noting that Harle bears a strong resemblance to Kid in facial and physical features. She also shares the same fortune as given by the Fortune Teller of Termina. Many attribute this to the fact that if the Dragon God were to create a human being, the closest set of genetics would be Schala trapped within the Time Devourer. Kid and Harle could thus conceivably come from Schala's genotype. TriviaEdit The name Schala comes from the Arabic name, Salah, meaning virtuous. A prominent prophet in Islamic tradition bears this name. Her Japanese name, Sara, means Princess in Hebrew.-chronopedia http://chrono.wikia.com/wiki/Schala

Schala is god directly quoted in video, hopefully her words are not too difficult to follow or I can extend a bit and show you it is the Quran in summary, the United States Constitution, The bible, the torah.

20 years of theological text and ten thousand written pages starting from plato's republic to star wars, a pattern that occurs and transcends both reality and fiction, and is repeated ad verbatim in different words with different characters, but remains the same the truth does.

not OPINION POLLhttp://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100714193341AAkADHa

N.B. (That means nota bene) THIS IS NOT AN OPINION POLL! We don't care what you think it should be. Please only answer if you actually know. Reference would be greatly appreciated and gratefully received!

To be honest just leaving it at that people can deduce god's form did materialize for a brief few months in the flesh, before I ever played or knew of chrono trigger.

Integra Hellsing drove me insane.

Now as there is one to one correspondence between what I say and reality, I do not want to further elaborate, for I must speak in code or paradox so that you may...

Mark 4:33-34 Using many similar parables, he spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He would only speak to them using parables.

Mark 4:10 When he was alone, those around him and the Twelve asked him about the parables.

Luke 8:10 He said, 'The secret of the kingdom of God is granted to you.'

Mark 4:11-12 'But to those on the outside, everything comes in parables so that they may look and look but never perceive, listen and listen but never understand.

videos are parables for those of my inner circle, though you may get the joke otherwise if you look into my real actual pasthttp://www.thebricktestament.com/the_parables_of_jesus/use_of_parables_explained/mk04_12.html

Now look at integra hellsing, I can assure like a political cartoon from another artist, it is alice schala, aka, god.
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Which is why alucard(Dracula himself) follows without question.

I can spell the name out, but as is it one of my master keywords for infinite length password generation and encryption, it's not such a hot idea. Besides I've been labeled a heretic for long enough now to understand no good thing can come of such action.

I can spell the name out, but as is it one of my master keywords for infinite length password generation and encryption, it's not such a hot idea. Besides I've been labeled a heretic for long enough now to understand no good thing can come of such action.

I can tell you one thing, at present, like Don Quixote's so called princess, so called alice looks worse than rukia, aka, haruhi suzumiya which is just as powerful IN THEORY(twilight zone movie child reality warp capability, scarlet witch, yuno gasai, riruka), and looks like Samus Aran(my first fictional girl interest during the nes days, Mai Waifu).

But again, if I get involved in such a triangle or mess with it, it will only result in unecessary human contact, and I won't be able to continue my studies in advanced quantum chemistry, theoretical mathematics, gut theory, living equation, dna synthesizer design, fractal analysis of multicellular lifeforms, etc My hikikomori lifestyle or pervert hermit style of life would be greatly affected drastically slowing my already slow rate of advancement(too many p-shots in the needless anime, and wave after wave of p-shot, a bit difficult to constantly resist and avoid anime and stuff like yosuga no sora and oniichan control, code geass and Nunnally in wonderland)
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World War III, Second Coming, Needless priest

I've got a very long book backlog, and tens of thousands of research papers, a few quadrillion dollars worth of information if processed in the right way. the annotations labeling along is worth more than the entire global economy, in my honest opinion.

Like darth vader with his water bottle nonsense pic, I'm going to have to work in fast food to buy apple stock, as even burger king and mc donalds nor food coupons are given to me.

So despite working to raise apple stock valuation I've not yet bought a single stock. Will save and do so fifth of june or fifth of november to commemorate zelda's 25th anniversary.

As well my Solar Iris code is far far FAR FAR beyond siri in capability, but it is quite simple in its design, but don't expect to find it lying around.