The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I am not quite sure what is wrong with you. Your response to my first point just shows he is commonly seen with a sword- irrelevant. Your response to my second simply makes absolutely no sense at all. Can you try being coherent, please? I gave you very specific and sensible reasons as to why him being left handed was irrelevant as far as fighting goes, and all you did was repeat the spurious logic you originally used. And my third point was simply responding to your one saying there was no reason to change what hand he carried the sword in, in which respect you were wrong. I have read the thread just fine- doing you more respect than you are giving to me, for sure.

You are borderline trolling here. Please post with sense and attention.

My second response basicly summed your answer to my question up. Fighting a lefty, especially in a sword and shield scenario, instantly changes everything. 😐 You're now fighting a mirror, and this mirror is used to fighting in exactly this manner. This is even demonstrable on a smaller scale in fist fights.

Read the rest of the thread, please. We were discussing the rumour you can pick Link's handedness. And no, I was not wrong. There's no reason to change the canon to accomadate gameplay. Even if they have Link a righty in gameplay, there's no reason to alter Link's canon handedness. Having the option to play Lefty accomodates the 10% of Zelda fans who are infact lefties, like myself.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Oh, and now you have come here just to troll eh, LLLLLink? The mentality of many posters in this section is very poor indeed. Carry on like that and you won't have a future here, for sure.

Some of you need to take a long, hard look at yourselves, your behaviours and your ability to make a logical analysis or carry out a sensible conversation.

Feel free to label me a troll, but actions speak louder than words, as someone once said.

Again- first, no he is not known for that. You just made that up. He uses a sword a lot; that is different from Link being known, in any distinctive way, as a legendary swordsman. He's a legendary everything. Saying Sephiroth displayed less sword skill when his character is ENTIRELY dependent on that skill is... absurd. His character NEEDS to be a legendary swordsman, or he is not anything at all. You speak as if that if there was any reason to question the idea that Link is the best swordsman that ever live,d it would ruin his character. It would do no such thing. Why can't he just be good with a sword? What makes him have to be 'legendary'? It's a ridiculous hyperbole that people have added that has nothing to do with the games and has no reason to be true.

Your second point is again wasting time- I already addressed exactly that theory and why it was completely irrelevant to what Link encounters.

Thirdly, telling me to read the thread again,. when I have a. already informed you I have and b. already pointed out that I was merely correcting your error is again trolling. Cut it out.

And if you honestly cannot see how stupid it would be to alienate the majority of players by making Link left handed when 90% of players carry the remote in the right hand, then there is nothing more I can do for you. Very sad.

Again, you are arguing for the point of arguing, not because there is any sense or reason behind your words. You are not interested in facts or logic or any rational discourse at all. Such a shame. Go on being annoyed at this then- but it only speaks poorly of you.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm just going to point out that you stop to bash me on average about every four sentances, while I've not actually made any personal attacks against you, and am infact, /discussing/ and backing up my points of discussion.

Feel free to label me a troll, but actions speak louder than words, as someone once said.

I point out your logical mistakes, which is very very different indeed.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Thirdly, telling me to read the thread again,. when I have a. already informed you I have and b. already pointed out that I was merely correcting your error is again trolling. CUt it out.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Blimey, you really just need to read my post again.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Ok, so no, you did not read it. Very well I shall explain further.

There needs to be a lot more common sense used here.

Just sayin'.

Adding spamming to the list now?

I'll give you a warning if you keep on like this. This is hardly mature and acceptable posting behaviour.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Oh, and now you have come here just to troll eh, LLLLLink? The mentality of many posters in this section is very poor indeed. Carry on like that and you won't have a future here, for sure.

Some of you need to take a long, hard look at yourselves, your behaviours and your ability to make a logical analysis or carry out a sensible conversation.

Seems to me that the trouble is following you whenever you show up here. Perhaps if you had more tasteful posts, people would be less inclined to challenge your opinions.

Nope, that's not it. What is true, though, is that you lot form a clique that is not used to being challenged. Sorry, but if you deserve challenging it will happen, and the onus is upon you to respond sensibly.

The fact is in this case you are being rather absurd. Sorry, that's just how it is. If I get treated disrespectfully for pointing that out, the fault is yours.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Adding spamming to the list now?

I'll give you a warning if you keep on like this. This is hardly mature and acceptable posting behaviour.

Boyo, hate to say it, but, you misunderstood my post. I was highlightning that you cannot call my actions of requesting you re-read something, while constantly doing the same thing, trolling, without being a troll yourself. 😉 Lead by example, mon capitaine.

Again, none of what I did there was trolling- it was all fair and reasonable comment. Whereas you simply repeating things I have already refuted is really done just to aggravate, as it saying I haven't read the thread when I have obvious effort to do so- and trying to call that collection of quotes as any form of anything wrong really shows you to be very confused I am afraid.

Link is going to be right handed because that is the amazingly sensible thing to do and the opinion of a ridiculous vocal minority makes no difference to that. If they CAN mirror it (for the sake of left handed PLAYERS, not trivial continuity), then great! But if they can't, so be it- they've done the sensible thing.

You have to understand that Link being left handed was NEVER important; it was simply coincidence, really. It's never been a significant, important or plot related part of his character. And your idea that this questionable continuity should trump good gameplay controls is madness.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Nope, that's not it. What is true, though, is that you lot form a clique that is not used to being challenged. Sorry, but if you deserve challenging it will happen, and the onus is upon you to respond sensibly.

The fact is in this case you are being rather absurd. Sorry, that's just how it is. If I get treated disrespectfully for pointing that out, the fault is yours.

Your first posts that were relevant to the subject of "legendary swordsmanship" came off as arrogant and condescending. They also contained incorrect statements. Surely you didn't think that people as prone to debate as ScreamPaste were going to let that slide, did you?
Also, saying that he was spamming up there seemed like a judgement out of spite, but hey, that's just my opinion.

Your original claims that being left handed was so important were perhaps worthy of condescension- and my post did not contain any errors. The mistakes are all yours.

Arguing yourselves into ridiculous dead ends just makes you look stupid. Perhaps you should learn when it is best to leave alone.
Are you honestly and seriously backing the idea that the reason Link is good with a sword is because he is left handed? You think that is the point of it? You think there is some logical issue with his skill if he is right handed?

You must see that believing such a thing makes you look very silly indeed.

Alright, I'm a righty, but I really can't see how it would be that difficult to use a Wiimote with my left hand. I'd probably get used to it in five minutes.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The mistakes are all yours.

Proof.

Again, none of what I did there was trolling- it was all fair and reasonable comment.

Whereas you simply repeating things I have already refuted is really done just to aggravate, as it saying I haven't read the thread when I have obvious effort to do so- and trying to call that collection of quotes as any form of anything wrong really shows you to be very confused I am afraid.

Link is going to be right handed because that is the amazingly sensible thing to do and the opinion of a ridiculous vocal minority makes no difference to that. If they CAN mirror it (for the sake of left handed PLAYERS, not trivial continuity), then great! But if they can't, so be it- they've done the sensible thing.

In short: If I have offended you, I'm sorry. But you may want to consider that you /are/ being a little sensitive. 😬

You have to understand that Link being left handed was NEVER important; it was simply coincidence, really. It's never been a significant, important or plot related part of his character. And your idea that this questionable continuity should trump good gameplay controls is madness.

Pardon me if a unique detail of a well designed character is worth preserving. 😐

Already given, quite comprehensively.

And remember we are pitching at the average gamer here, not the expert ones. The potential for the average gamer to get confused about movements if you are right handed in life but left on screen are huge.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
But you may want to consider that you /are/ being a little sensitive. 😬

I'm inclined to agree, I'm afraid.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm afraid mine was just as fair and reasonable.
I said it just to aggravate you? OR because you continually missed the point? I'm sorry but I can't recall setting out to discuss Zelda just to piss someone off, and I appeared to be having a grand old time with everyone else in this thread. Could it be you're overly sensitive? 😐 If you can't take hearing something, you shouldn't say it to someone else. The quotes simply illustrate for all to see, that you've behaved just as I have, I could also have quoted some of the minor flaming, but meh.

If gameplay Link must be right handed, meh, but there'd still be no reason whatsoever to change that canon Link is left-handed. The option of being able to switch his handedness in game was being discussed as an ideal situation. You seem to have jumped into a thread believing someone's opinion, for something as purely simple as "LINK IS ONE HANDED ONLY FOREVAR!", when it's more a discussion of why canon-lefty is awesome. 😐 Was not purely a gameplay discussion.

In short: If I have offended you, I'm sorry. But you may want to consider that you /are/ being a little sensitive. 😬

No, yours were not fair and reasonable- and I am telling you that officially, so that you may know to turn down your attitude there in future. Nor did I miss any points- I saw your points throughout only all too well. Your extremely foolish comments like "you've never fought a left hander"- a comment as breathtaking in its irrelevance and unintelligible as it was in its attempt at being provocative- speaks volumes.

I do not know what you mean about changing the canon, as if they are altering the continuity of the earlier games. Link has been left handed in earlier games. THIS Link is right handed. It's not like that is some canon impossibility that destroys all continuity or sense. Like I say, not a single facet of his character depended on it.

And again, I did not jump into the conversation. I have no idea where you formed that very incorrect opinion. You are just annoyed that I called out the absurdity of you saying they had no reason to make him right handed, when they obviously did. When you make a mistake like that, you have to learn to take it on the chin.

I appreciate continuity as much as everyone- even when it is not the same Link- and as I said, all other things being equal, he should be left handed. But they are not equal, and this is the obviously sensible way to go. If it can be mirrored, do it. But the default must be for the right.

I am not being sensitive at all- I am simply holding you to account.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
I'm inclined to agree, I'm afraid.

But then you have already put yourself in the same position as him- your attitude is not good. You both have warnings for it, and from people other than me.

It's you guys that need to learn and shift, I am afraid.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
But then you have already put yourself in the same position as him- your attitude is not good. You both have warnings for it, and from people other than me.

It's you guys that need to learn and shift, I am afraid.

Well, no need to be too defensive. Try adding a little tact to flavor your posts, and perhaps we can be friends.