Originally posted by lord xyzdamn...I wanted to say that. Well, I've got to make something out of this post. Um, first "Are you serious? Are you serious?...Are you serious?" and furthermore, this reminded me of this song: YouTube video
Should have stayed in the kitchen.
Originally posted by The Nuul
The cop is wrong and the media is making a huge deal out of this.I just said this...
This is what you said:
Originally posted by The Nuul
Yes, the media is playing a big deal about this because of the color and sex issue. They're black and female vs a white male cop.
Sounded like you were commenting on the white officer.
But OK, I gotcha.
Originally posted by inimalist
it says a lot about the training of the police when they are unable to physically restrain a single teenage girl or defuse a couple of angry individuals...
Restraining a teenage girl is easy if you can do what ever you want. Unfortunately this guy is a cop and he has to restrain her while causing a minimum of harm. Also he had to fight off another attacker, again with a minimum of harm and the knowledge that if they did get hurt people would go completely apeshit over it no matter what the situation was.
Originally posted by Mindset
http://www.seattle.gov/police/publications/Policy/SPD_Manual.pdfHave fun.
Just copy and paste it? My Adobe reader is fragged.
Found this BTW:
Investigators in Seattle are reviewing the incident, which was captured on video.
Things began when an unnamed police officer spotted a teen jaywalking across Martin Lurther King Jr. Way South around 3:10 p.m., according to a report on the Seattle Police Department Web site.
When he approached the 18-year-old male, the officer witnessed four women do the same thing at the same spot on the road, about 15 feet from a pedestrian crosswalk.
“The officer instructed the females to step over to his vehicle,” officials said. “They were verbally antagonistic.”
When one of the women, a 19-year-old, began to walk away, the officer approached her and escorted her back.
“The female subject began to tense up her arm and pull away from the officer while yelling at him,” police said.
The two argued, and the officer attempted to cuff her. That is when, according to officials, another of the women interceded.
“The second female subject placed her hands on the officer’s arm, causing the officer to believe she was attempting to physically affect the first subject’s escape,” police said.
A crowd had gathered around the officer at the time, and another witness captured much of the altercation on video.
As the officer and the 17-year-old struggled with one another, the woman can be seen pushing the officer, who then responds by punching her in the face.
The crowd reacted with shock, and a voice is heard saying, “Are you serious?!”
Someone pulled the 17-year-old away, and the police officer proceeds to try and handcuff the 19-year-old.
“Do not struggle,” the cop orders the woman during the video.
Back-up eventually arrived, police said, at which time the woman who was punched was handcuffed. She was later examined by medical personnel.
“You obviously have to take into context everything that occurred from the point that the officer did make contact with the individuals until the situation ended,” said Deputy Chief Nick Metz to King 5 News.
Metz noted there was some “concerns about the tactics the officer used.”
All I am saying is that the chicks did not cooperate, they were resisting and being difficult from the get go. The officer was then assaulted and acted on instinct. Was his decision the most logical one? No. Is it justifiable? Yes. Are the women 110% responsible for getting themselves in this situation? Hell yes.
The chicks saw the people around watching and decided to make a big show of it. They ****ed up when the one in red actually put her hands on the officer. Had she not done that and he still hit her, then yeah, he would be completely in the wrong.
Originally posted by Peach
The cop was trying to arrest the first girl for jaywalking. Which is a crime that gets a warning, maybe a ticket at best. Not an arrest. He had been holding her down on his car by her neck. The second girl tried to pull him off her friend. Dumb move, yeah, but someone who's already frightened doesn't exactly think straight. That's when she got punched in the face.
Nah, he was arresting her for trying to walk away from the citation and then being a typical b*tch about it when he told her to come back.
Originally posted by Peach
The cops had been using excessive force from the very start. He was hardly 'attacked' by the second, and there is absolutely no way that reacting by punching her in the face was appropriate. Damn straight his actions should be under review.
There was only one cop. And no he wasn't. He was surprising calm during most of the ordeal. Definitely the type of cop I'd like to see on the streets. He, however, did not use enough force WITH technique, though. I've seen smallish cops put big ol' buff dudes (on the show COPS) in less than 5 seconds. A person resisting arrest like that should only be given one chance and the next time, the person should be in hand cuffs with slightly torn rotator cuffs if they thought resisting was necessary a second time.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
You can't "stop" someone from Jaywalking dude. You tell them not to do it and/or write them a ticket. You can not physically restrain or arrest someone purely because they were Jaywalking.
Originally posted by Kinneary\
Isn't that what happened? When he tried to stop her she resisted, and that's when he began to make the arrest?
You've got it, Kinneary. The arrest attempt didn't occur until she basically gave him the hand and walked away.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't know if that's actually true. Is it?
This is specific to municipal law and is not necessarily the same in each municipality.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
That isn't an arrestable offense. Police can't force a ticket on you, because the ticket that is being given to you is for your convenience. When cops write tickets they keep a copy of it for themselves and give you a copy, so even if you lose your copy or don't receive one the Gov't is still aware of your crime. So there's no reason to force a ticket on to someone. If you having a copy of a ticket was really important then the police wouldn't leave them on your dashboard to get blown away in the wind. It's purely for your convenience.Point being, if a Cop writes you a ticket doesn't matter if you get a copy of it or not, so it doesn't matter if you just walk away. It's not the cops business to ensure you get the ticket.
EDIT- The exception to that would be if the cop isn't able to get your information to write the ticket in the first place, in which case if you withhold that info then they have the right to arrest you.
Yeah, cause cops are psychic and know your name, place of residence, etc. etc. just by looking at you. Oh, wait, you can't cite someone you don't have information on. 😬 It's pretty damn funny that you came full ciricle in your post and agree with me at the end ther. You suck! I wanted to be right about something, for once. 🙁
Originally posted by BackFire
No, the what if's you are presenting have no bearing on what was happening.
No, the what-ifs are what they are trained on and try to avoid. Their primary goal should be enforcing the law and minimizing injury to potential criminals, bystanders, and themselves. The "what-if" of an escalating crowd was a very real threat, at that moment, and keeping himself off the ground, at that point, should have been his #1 priority. Once he hits the ground in an antagonistic crowd like that, he is at a much greater risk of death or permanent injury.
Originally posted by Peach
No, he wasn't. All he did was escalate the situation by retaliating with excessive force. Punching someone in the face for attempting to push you is not an appropriate reaction, ever.
This is why not everyone is cut-out to be a cop. I also feel that the punch in the face was a tad excessive. He seemed like a newb with those cuffs. He could have avoided the whole situation if Ms. Sista Resista was in cuffs a few short seconds after she started resisting.
To me, it looks like he needs more cuffing training.
Originally posted by BackFire
And again, punching someone in the face and then promptly ignoring them is not going to somehow magically disarm them.
Except, in this situation, it really did. Did she come after the cop after that? Did she interfere any longer? Nope. So, he really did "disarm" her.
Originally posted by Peach
And there are a lot of ways that it could have been handled better. Simply shoving her off, or holding her arms, calling for a partner...something simple - and non-violent - would have more than sufficed. Punching her in the face should never have crossed the cop's mind. Cops are supposed to defuse the situation, not escalate it.It is not hard at all to restrain someone without punching them in the head.
Indeed. He could have caused her brain damage. That was a pretty damn hard punch. Shoving her might have been worse had she hit her head at the bottom of a fall. That would also look really bad to the onlookers and could have caused the crowd to get out of hand, depending on how bad the shove was.
The best option was and still is a prompt cuffing. Bruising, small abrasions, and possible minor tears to the rotator cuff are much better options than brain damage, imo. But that's just me.
Originally posted by Peach
Sexist comments like that are not called for. Most people think that the way the cop acted was out of line, because it was.
Odd that you called him sexist when that's what he was saying about the people defending the ladies by calling the officer a woman beater. He's calling those people...get this...sexist.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
How does "stopping someone for Jaywalking" turn in to "choke slamming them onto the hood of a car"?
Easy: telling an cop that's about to write a ticket to **** off, go to hell, eat shit, etc. Then when he tells you to go to his cab so he can finish writing others a citation, you get even more uppity, and when he goes to escort you to his cab, you flip out on him and pull away, and then when he says you're under arrest, you resist arrest...quite a bit after the officer was nice about it, and your friend gets in and tries to obstruct the officer's arrest, all the while you resist arrest.
Had you actually gone back to the cab and waited for your citation for BREAKING THE LAW WITH A CITABLE OFFENSE, you wouldn't have been chocked slammed, to begin with. 🙂
Glad I could clear that up. Whew!
Originally posted by inimalist
it says a lot about the training of the police when they are unable to physically restrain a single teenage girl or defuse a couple of angry individuals...
THANK YOU!
'bout damn time someone echoes my sentiments.
if the civilian sector followed procedure as is more likely in the military the cop would have bn written up regardless of the arrest given a warning possible suspension if not out right removal from that particular duty. the cop would have taken responsibility of violating procedure sign and fill out the statement in his own words and then given combat training and escalation of force probably taking a police arrest class.
the civilian would be asked if she felt her rights were violated and if she like to press charges..
as it stands nothing will happen the cops lawyers will say he was within his training whcih is an out right lie and can be easily refutted if you tape instructors and police training in progress
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
"Shit happens" can be used to justify anything. In California there is a big hubbub going on because a BART cop arrested a dude, put him in handcuffs, threw him to the ground, then pulled out his gun and shot the handcuffed dude in the back of the head. For no reason.
Indeed. I hate to use strong language, here, but...that cop deserves death. He is a cold-blooded murderer that is probably racist. He abused his power as a cop to commit murder, and, therefore, he should be held to a much higher standard of the law and get a very swift death penalty.
That's not the type of cop in this situation, though.