Well, the way Vader is said to win here(force choke) could he not do that to any version of Iron Man. Extremis might be too much for Vader though. Iron Man can take shitloads of artillery and Vader can't. But that isn't what Vader uses as a weapon. It wouldn't matter if Stark was encased in a Vibranium-Steel alloy armor. Vader could still choke him, could he not?
Originally posted by marwash22He can choke tony through his suit.
Has Vader or anyone ever been shown to force-crush solid metal? I doubt he or anyone would be able to crush adamantium... or even someone who has really high resistance to damage.Vader wouldn't be able to force-choke... Wolverine, Luke Cage, Superman, Colossus, etc.
This is classic IM.
Vader can force crush a human head inside a box, I don't see why he can't force crush a human head inside a suit.
That said, I'm sure he could choke wolverine, you don't need to damage someone's skeleton to asphyxiate them, and telekenisis is a win thing to have. Levitate Wolverine, choke him... Then remember he has a stupid healing factor and throw him really far away. Won't argue the others. mmm
Originally posted by Darth MartinMaybe, but I don't really see a force choke as being at all relevant.
Well, the way Vader is said to win here(force choke) could he not do that to any version of Iron Man. Extremis might be too much for Vader though. Iron Man can take shitloads of artillery and Vader can't. But that isn't what Vader uses as a weapon. It wouldn't matter if Stark was encased in a Vibranium-Steel alloy armor. Vader could still choke him, could he not?
I mean, yes, if Tony flies off and stands there, Vader may have a chance to win (though considering Tony's record against telepathy and attacks requiring mental signals, it's entirely possible that such an attack would be repelled).
However, since that scenario is ludicrous, it should be noted that as the by far faster attacker with a by far larger arsenal, isolating the one method that Vader may be able to use to actually damage Iron Man is pointless since that attack requires time.
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I've never seen a force choke be pulled off in less than a picosecond, which Extremis Iron-Man was shown to think at... I was looking for those ridiculous feats of battle reactions that he has, I'll post them if I find them.
Even if Vader's precog would give him some leeway, he still needs a given amount of time to pull off his attacks, and he still needs to have the speed to react... considering Iron Man was clocked at what, Mach 8 I think, he could just be blitzed. And given that IM probably has the vastest arsenal of independent weaponry in comics, finding options to evade or overpower any defense shouldn't be too much trouble.
I've already stated all of that. Iron Man is far faster, stronger, and has MUCH better arsenal. Everyone here mantains Vader wins ONLY b/c of the Force choke. Vader against Classic Iron Man would have the advantage of reaction speed, but as you stated, if we use Extremis Iron Man then he dwarfs Vader there too.
Originally posted by marwash22He's crushed Imperial Walkers and Durasteel doors. 😬
Has Vader or anyone ever been shown to force-crush solid metal?
Originally posted by marwash22He could choke Wolverine. Not sure about the others.
Vader wouldn't be able to force-choke... Wolverine, Luke Cage, Superman, Colossus, etc.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteRight.
I'm gonna disagree with a blitz because:1. This isn't Extremis iron man.
2. Vader can deflect blaster bolts.
1.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Which Iron Man are we going with? I'd give the wins to Extremis for sure, and arguably most of his later versions as well.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Well, the way Vader is said to win here(force choke) could he not do that to any version of Iron Man.
Which is what I was replying to.
2. Maybe so, but that's single-line blaster fire, that he would see before hand. In this case, we're talking about a character who could replicate all those blaster bolts, in addition to doses of missiles, shield-penetrating sonics, and a Mach 8 bull-rush that could rapidly change directions at any point.
In classic gold and red, I still don't see why Vader would have time to force choke, but the case is easier to make.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Not that I know of. That wouldn't be the preferred tactic for Tony though. He'd be playing Vader's game and between the suit's magnetic polarity units and Vader's vast Force mastery, I'd go with latter easily.
Yeah, but using the force needs concentration, if Tony messes up with Vader's life sustaining machines and shoots him down he has the tools to do it.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
It needs concentration for about a split second. Just by crying, Vader instantly imploded all of the metal inside a room. Vader not crying can do the same thing to Tony's brain in half the time.With CIS off, regardless of who wins the fight will end in a matter of seconds.
Kind of off topic since I don't know sh*t about Tony's armor but... Aren't there tk blocking-materials in the MU?
