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Derelite .

starkiller is pretty ba and powerful, but exar kun is just out of his league

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No, not really. Kun's more knowledgeable and more refined in his power, but "out of (Galen's) league" is an overstatement. You don't legitimately defeat one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history and get downplayed.

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you may be right, but im still saying that exar kun will win

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You don't legitimately defeat one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history and get downplayed.

Meh. Is suited Vader really one of the most powerful Sith Lords, though? Nadd (from statements), Kun, Nihilus, Bane, Caedus, Krayt, and even Dooku seem superior.

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Originally posted by Enyalus
Meh. Is suited Vader really one of the most powerful Sith Lords, though? Nadd (from statements), Kun, Nihilus, Bane, Caedus, Krayt, and even Dooku seem superior.

In Force prowess, yes he's one of the tops. Not the THE top. Not even Top Five. But he's up there. Palpatine, Bane, Caedus, Nihilus and likely Krayt are all above him. I don't feel Dooku though, and i'm not overly familiar with Nadd.

Regardless. He was pretty friggin powerful and Marek defeated him. It's foolish to think Marek out of the league just because he never made it finals. He took down Darth Vader and stymied Palpatine. Kudos to him.

I feel now in a straight forward fight that Kun's got the experience and insanity (especially with amulets) to overwhelm Marek. But it won't be just a "Kay there I did it." Kun's losing some teeth.

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I feel now in a straight forward fight that Kun's got the experience and insanity (especially with amulets) to overwhelm Marek. But it won't be just a "Kay there I did it." Kun's losing some teeth.

Ah. Word.

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Galen redirected a falling star destroyer, beat one of the most powerful with of all time, and almost killed the most powerful sith of all time.

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Galen didn't redirect a falling Star Destroyer - he slowed it down. He didn't beat one of the most powerful Sith of all time - because Vader isn't that. And he didn't almost kill the most powerful Sith of all time - because he didn't fight Kun. No, I'm kidding. The real reason is that Palpatine wasn't even scratched by Galen's Vegeta-like suicidesplosion.

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Originally posted by Enyalus
Galen didn't redirect a falling Star Destroyer - he slowed it down. He didn't beat one of the most powerful Sith of all time - because Vader isn't that. And he didn't almost kill the most powerful Sith of all time - because he didn't fight Kun. No, I'm kidding. The real reason is that Palpatine wasn't even scratched by Galen's Vegeta-like suicidesplosion.

Sorry about the spelling errors in the below text; texting is more diffict Han typing.

Galen Marek did redirect a falling star destroyer since it did't fall on him, and in that case there wouldn't be much point in just slowing the star destroyer down.

Vader is ONE of the most powerful sith of all time.

Galen had Sidious at his mercy and later blocked Sidious's lighting with his hands while advancing towards Sidious when in ROTS Yoda couldn't advance against Sidious's Force lightning.

What has Exar Kun done to match Galen's feats?

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Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Galen Marek did redirect a falling star destroyer since it did't fall on him, and in that case there wouldn't be much point in just slowing the star destroyer down.

The Star Destroyer fell. It would have skidded into him. Instead, he slowed its momentum so that it's skid stopped short of him. He slowed it down.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Vader is ONE of the most powerful sith of all time.

🙄 Don't play these semantics with me. As I already said, Nadd, Kun, Nihilus, Bane, Caedus, Krayt, and even Dooku seem superior.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Galen had Sidious at his mercy and later blocked Sidious's lighting with his hands while advancing towards Sidious when in ROTS Yoda couldn't advance against Sidious's Force lightning.

Galen didn't put a scratch on Sidious. Sidious was in no immediate danger of being killed by Galen.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
What has Exar Kun done to match Galen's feats?

How about ripping Luke's soul out of his body? Or ripping dozens of Force-users' (Massassi) souls from their bodies? Or force draining the entire Massassi population of Yavin? Galen can't stop any of those attacks, especially considering he has zero knowledge or experience of dealing with them.

ares834 Senior Member

Originally posted by Enyalus
The Star Destroyer fell. It would have skidded into him. Instead, he slowed its momentum so that it's skid stopped short of him. He slowed it down. [/B]

Nah he redirected it so it would crash into the canon.
"The ship growled and squealed in metal torment. He was getting the hang of it; he could see how its course was slowly shifting. As wide across as his outstretched hand now, it was hitting the atmosphere at a steeper angle than he had intended, burning bright red and already gouting a trail of black smoke and sparkling debris."
"It was going to hit soon. A wild exodus of droids ran past him, fleeing the crash site. The TIE fighters it had launched raced ahead of the chaotic atmospheric waves it generated. He ignored them and concentrated on shifting ground zero as close to the cannon as he could."
"He was Darth Vader's secret servant, capable of moving Star Destroyers with nothing but his will-yet what else was he?"

🙄 Don't play these semantics with me. As I already said, Nadd, Kun, Nihilus, Bane, Caedus, Krayt, and even Dooku seem superior.

Nadd, Krayt, Dooku? Really? What has Nadd ever done that puts him above Vader? Dooku was surpassed by Vader, hell he was completley outmatched by the inferior Anakin.

Galen didn't put a scratch on Sidious. Sidious was in no immediate danger of being killed by Galen.

Sidious was at one point at Galen marek's mercy.

How about ripping Luke's soul out of his body?

With Kyp's help.

Or ripping dozens of Force-users' (Massassi) souls from their bodies?

When did he do this?

Or force draining the entire Massassi population of Yavin?

It's a ritual. And if he can use it in combat why doesn't he?

Also Marek can reduce Stormtroopers to ash...

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Originally posted by ares834
Nah he redirected it so it would crash into the canon.

Ah. I haven't read the novel, just the comic. I'll concede that.

Originally posted by ares834
Nadd, Krayt, Dooku? Really? What has Nadd ever done that puts him above Vader? Dooku was surpassed by Vader, hell he was completley outmatched by the inferior Anakin.

Nadd's power was what fueled all of his descendants' power - and his descendant, King Ommin, bound and drained one of the most powerful Jedi Masters of that era (Arca Jeth) with dark side energy webs. Additionally, using only Nadd's power, Queen Amanoa used Battle Meditation powerful enough to halt the Beast Riders attack at the Battle of Onderon. Nadd's sarcophagus alone was a Force nexus of Dark Side power. Hell, his tomb on Dxun made the entire moon tainted with the aura of the Dark Side (a helluva lot like Palpatine and Byss...except Nadd wasn't even alive and active.) He also knew every Force technique...Force Storm included.

And Dooku was beaten by a much superior Anakin, not inferior to Vader. That version of Anakin would absolutely throttle suited Vader, with ease. A much faster duelist, just as strong, and madly focused.

Originally posted by ares834
Sidious was at one point at Galen marek's mercy.

Positive? Explain what happens then, please, so I won't have to look.

Originally posted by ares834
With Kyp's help.

Yes. Because he's a 4,000 year old spirit without a body of his own...And Kyp was what, a 16 year old newbie with the Force?

Originally posted by ares834
When did he do this?

Junior Jedi Knights: The Golden Globe.

Originally posted by ares834
It's a ritual. And if he can use it in combat why doesn't he?

The ritual was so he could 'unleash his powerful spirit...to shed the chains of his mortal body and run rampant throughout the cosmos.' He only ordered that all of the Massassi be gathered in the temple. There's no indication that it took a great deal of time to drain them or that the draining was done in a ritual. Again, the ritual was so that, once the Massassi were drained, he would have ample power to separate his spirit from his body.

Derelite .

yeah he did redirect it, even in the game you'll notice that you can slightly move it around while you are playing

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Vader was ONE of the most powerful sith lords in history. Of your list, only a few are superior to Vader. How is Krayt superior to Vader (or Galen, not that you claimed that he was)? Vader has shown a huge amount of impressive feats.

A lot of what Exar has done required rituals. With amulets Exar has a better chance, but without them or any other artifacts he's outmatched based on current knowledge of the combatants in a Force fight. In sabers it might go differently.

Good points though.

Derelite .

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
How is Krayt superior to Vader (or Galen, not that you claimed that he was)?

uhhh galen is superior because he defeated him...

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Well, Galen wasn't a Sith Lord, which is why I didn't put him in the list. But yeah, Galen > suited Vader, too.

I don't have anything specifically pointing to Krayt being more powerful than suited Vader. I feel due to his lightsaber resistant armor, his two sabers instead of Vader's one, and his ability to use Force Lightning, that he'd beat Vader solidly in a straight fight. I'm not read-enough on Legacy in order to debate that, though, so feel free to disagree.

I don't have anything to add to the Exar and rituals thing. I've said what I will on it. Suffice to say, he does not need a ritual in order to Drain someone of the Force or their life or tear their soul out. And Galen has no defense against it, because he's completely unfamiliar with it.

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Where and when did he do this Drain? And what are the specifics outlining it? All I can think of his draining of the Massassi people on Yavin 4. And for that he had a willing slave race under his thumb and his temples to enhance his power and aid with his experiments. I remember that little act destroyed his physical body.

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Where and when did he do this Drain? And what are the specifics outlining it? All I can think of his draining of the Massassi people on Yavin 4. And for that he had a willing slave race under his thumb and his temples to enhance his power and aid with his experiments. I remember that little act destroyed his physical body.

What you're speaking of is the only drain I know of him doing. Although I don't remember reading anything about the temple enhancing his power or aiding with the drain. Yes, the slaves were willing. It doesn't change the fact that A) he knows the technique, B) he did it to thousands of them simultaneously, C) ....the act was intended to destroy his physical body. That's why he needed so many captives to drain.

ares834 Senior Member

Originally posted by Enyalus
Nadd's power was what fueled all of his descendants' power - and his descendant, King Ommin, bound and drained one of the most powerful Jedi Masters of that era (Arca Jeth) with dark side energy webs. Additionally, using only Nadd's power, Queen Amanoa used Battle Meditation powerful enough to halt the Beast Riders attack at the Battle of Onderon. Nadd's sarcophagus alone was a Force nexus of Dark Side power. Hell, his tomb on Dxun made the entire moon tainted with the aura of the Dark Side (a helluva lot like Palpatine and Byss...except Nadd wasn't even alive and active.)

Impressive. I haven't read those comics in ages so I'll give you that.

He also knew every Force technique...Force Storm included.

Obviously hyperbole. I also know that Nadd knew about the Force Storm technique but is their any indication that he could use it.

And Dooku was beaten by a much superior Anakin, not inferior to Vader. That version of Anakin would absolutely throttle suited Vader, with ease. A much faster duelist, just as strong, and madly focused.

Doubt it. Vader has honed his mastery of the force to a degree than Anakin had never. Sure Anakin may be faster but it won't help him. Anyway, Dooku has yet to show any feats near Vader's level. Vader takes down several jedi at once, Dooku is captured by Pirates. 😐

Also in SW Head to Head it claims Vader is more powerful than Yoda take that as you will.

Positive? Explain what happens then, please, so I won't have to look.

"The apprentice stood over him for a moment with his lightsaber upraised. Its aqua light reflected in the eyes of the galaxy's Emperor as though it was the last thing he would ever see."
Palpatine was at Marek's mercy. Unfortently the dumb ass Kota decided it was a better idea that the Emperor stay alive.

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Yes. Because he's a 4,000 year old spirit without a body of his own...And Kyp was what, a 16 year old newbie with the Force? [/b]

IIRC Exar Kun possesed the body of Kyp, who has incredible potential. Infact the book implies it was entirely Kyp's power with Kun's knowledge.
"Against the full might of Kyp Durron and the forbidden weapons of the long-dead spirit of Exar Kun, even a Jedi Master such as Luke Skywalker could not prevail."

Junior Jedi Knights: The Golden Globe.

Ok.

The ritual was so he could 'unleash his powerful spirit...to shed the chains of his mortal body and run rampant throughout the cosmos.' He only ordered that all of the Massassi be gathered in the temple. There's no indication that it took a great deal of time to drain them or that the draining was done in a ritual. Again, the ritual was so that, once the Massassi were drained, he would have ample power to separate his spirit from his body.

Proove that the ritual did not invlove him draining the Massassi. It only seems logical that since the Massassi died while he preformed the ritual thatbit was part of the ritual. And they were all willing to die for the ritual.

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Originally posted by ares834
Obviously hyperbole. I also know that Nadd knew about the Force Storm technique but is their any indication that he could use it.

The TOTJ Companion states, "Freedon Nadd has knowledge of all Jedi and Sith Force powers presented herein as well as those abilities still hidden in ancient Holocron and tomes."

Which, when you think about it, is understandable. The guy did study directly from King Adas' holocron and Naga Sadow's spirit.

Originally posted by ares834
Doubt it. Vader has honed his mastery of the force to a degree than Anakin had never. Sure Anakin may be faster but it won't help him. Anyway, Dooku has yet to show any feats near Vader's level.

What do you have in mind, regarding Force feats aside from Force Choking a non-Force-sensitive from a possible few lightyears away?

Originally posted by ares834
Vader takes down several jedi at once, Dooku is captured by Pirates. 😐

Dooku took down two Jedi Masters, Sora Bulq and Tholme at once - while fatigued. And Anakin and Obi-Wan, of course. If you want to go with low-feats, suited Vader was nearly killed by a Tuskan Raider after burying his first secret apprentice.

Originally posted by ares834
Also in SW Head to Head it claims Vader is more powerful than Yoda take that as you will.

I have no idea what that even is. A magazine or something? Is it canon?

Originally posted by ares834
IIRC Exar Kun possesed the body of Kyp, who has incredible potential. Infact the book implies it was entirely Kyp's power with Kun's knowledge.
"Against the full might of Kyp Durron and the forbidden weapons of the long-dead spirit of Exar Kun, even a Jedi Master such as Luke Skywalker could not prevail."

In this scenario, Kun has a body...his own. Why won't he be able to duplicate what he does to Luke in Kyp's body, to Galen in Kun's own body?

Originally posted by ares834
Proove that the ritual did not invlove him draining the Massassi. It only seems logical that since the Massassi died while he preformed the ritual thatbit was part of the ritual. And they were all willing to die for the ritual.

I'm unsure what you want me to prove here. The ritual was to separate Kun's body from his spirit. In order to do that, he needed the combined power of all the Massassi he had gathered. Then he uses the Sith ritual to separate his spirit from his flesh. He drains them first - then the ritual commences:

So, to answer your point...no, the ritual did not involve him draining the Massassi. But it did require him draining the Massassi.

Also, I don't know what that has to do with anything - it's irrefutable proof that he can Force Drain someone. Which was the whole point of bringing up the feat.

Also also....it doesn't look like he's wearing his gauntlets/amulets there, so no case for power amping can be made against him.