Originally posted by NemeBro
It's noncanon though, like you said.So it has as much relevance as me drawing a picture of Superman ****ing Goku in the ear.
Oh, it has much more luxury than you drawing a picture. The luxury that it has is that first it was created by a company that has rights of publishing fights about any character that they choose.
Second, this fight wasnt shown to one individual, it was shown to the WORLD. It was shown that Goku is Superman superior, again, to the WORLD.
So what your saying is that a guy that can take on Doomsday and Darkseid is getting beaten by Goku? To be honest Goku would literally get his brains beat out of his skull if he tried fighting him in a fist fight. Hell even superman from Final Crisis would kick his ass.
If you also want to use Ki attacks as evidence they are extremely vague in power. I mean c'mon it's used in planet busting but said people that use them are vulnerable to planetary forces such as contracting disease, age, not being able to touch lava without dying, drowning etc.
Goku beating Supeman in one punch is bullshit no matter how you slice it. Unless they used the cartoon Superman, then I'd be able to understand.
If it non-canon, I don't particulary care for it in a debate. So far Goku doesn't have any canon evidence that he can hurt Superman...especially not in a fistfight.
Originally posted by carver9The fact that Wizard is more known doesn't actually mean, wait for it, a single ****ing thing.
Oh, it has much more luxury than you drawing a picture. The luxury that it has is that first it was created by a company that has rights of publishing fights about any character that they choose.Second, this fight wasnt shown to one individual, it was shown to the WORLD. It was shown that Goku is Superman superior, again, to the WORLD.
More people have probably seen the Dark Knight than they have read Batman comics (Prolly), does not make TDK moar canon than the comics.
Stop being so butthurt.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So what your saying is that a guy that can take on Doomsday and Darkseid is getting beaten by Goku? To be honest Goku would literally get his brains beat out of his skull if he tried fighting him in a fist fight. Hell even superman from Final Crisis would kick his ass.If you also want to use Ki attacks as evidence they are extremely vague in power. I mean c'mon it's used in planet busting but said people that use them are vulnerable to planetary forces such as contracting disease, age, not being able to touch lava without dying, drowning etc.
Goku beating Supeman in one punch is bullshit no matter how you slice it. Unless they used the cartoon Superman, then I'd be able to understand.
If it non-canon, I don't particulary care for it in a debate. So far Goku doesn't have any canon evidence that he can hurt Superman...especially not in a fistfight.
Doomsday killed superman and supes is next to shit compared to almighty darkseid.
Just sayan
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So what your saying is that a guy that can take on Doomsday and Darkseid is getting beaten by Goku? To be honest Goku would literally get his brains beat out of his skull if he tried fighting him in a fist fight. Hell even superman from Final Crisis would kick his ass.If you also want to use Ki attacks as evidence they are extremely vague in power. I mean c'mon it's used in planet busting but said people that use them are vulnerable to planetary forces such as contracting disease, age, not being able to touch lava without dying, drowning etc.
Goku beating Supeman in one punch is bullshit no matter how you slice it. Unless they used the cartoon Superman, then I'd be able to understand.
If it non-canon, I don't particulary care for it in a debate. So far Goku doesn't have any canon evidence that he can hurt Superman...especially not in a fistfight.
What does Doomsday and Darkseid have to do with this? They are not Galactus. Doomsday is a brick like Hulk that can adapt. Yes, I think Goku could beat Doomsday. Darkseid? Current Darkseid feats aint sh** compared to his pre-crisis days.
Cheetah has beaten Superman, Grundy has beaten Superman, Kilowag one shotted Supes, the General has defeated Supes, Shaggy man has defeated Supes, Despero physically took out Supes, Shadow Dragon has defeated Supes, the list goes on and these people are far less powerful than Goku and wouldnt even land a lick on Goku.
You think Goku beating Superman in one punch is bullshit but Goku and Frieza punching power feats are MUCH more impressive than Supes.
And Goku being unable to hurt Superman is bullcrap since again, shadow dragon, a f***** peak human has hurt him, Doctor poloris has knocked him out with a submarine to the head, Despero scratched him across the face, Shadow dragon, a almost peak human whipped that a** and made Superman give up... Cheetah has hurt him. Some of you all need to read a little more on your Supes comics.
Going by showings Goku combat wise is faster than Supes. 95% of the things that has hit/tagged Supes would NEVER touch Goku.
By the way Goku was hit into lava by frieza and flew out just fine, hell, he was close to the sun and didnt suffer any damage. By the way, Grundy almost drowned Superman if you want to go that far.
Originally posted by NemeBro
The fact that Wizard is more known doesn't actually mean, wait for it, a single ****ing thing.More people have probably seen the Dark Knight than they have read Batman comics (Prolly), does not make TDK moar canon than the comics.
Stop being so butthurt.
Like I said, going by showings that has been provided to comic fans, Superman got stomped.
I think you are more but than me since I have something to back me up; something to help my claim.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I did only say that he "took on" Darkseid and Doomsday: Never say won.Could Goku take either of them on in a fight: No! And that was the point I was trying to make.
Goku would stomp them. Doomsday isnt touching Goku and he isnt even close to the power that Goku have in his possession.
Originally posted by cdtm
To be fair, this was the explanation for how Wonder Woman, blinded, was able to counter Flash. I also brought up Val Armorr (a.k.a. Karate Kid of the Legion of Super Heroes) before, who's basically the embodiement of PIS, holding his own with the likes of Superboy or the Tornado Twins, yet not having a hint of speedster ability.That's the problem with trying to calculate power levels: Comic book writers often get their facts wrong, or create arbitrary feats because they seem cool without really considering the science behind it. (Although considering we're talking about characters moving at ftl, which even if possible would cause tons of problems... How can you see if you're moving faster then light, for example?
The difference is that WW and Flash actually have FTL feats. DBZ characters don't.
As for Val, it's so consistent we just have to accept that that's his power.
And many characters have superhuman senses that can sense things faster than light.
So I guess you cant show me Superman destroying a planet. I dont need to show you Goku destroying one since DBZ is based off of power levels and people with MUCH lower power levels has destroyed planets. You see, that same rule doesnt apply to Superman and his crew and hell, people in his tier in DC also doesnt have the feats of destroying planets; so again, your arguments is moot.
Double standards much? Superman has beaten people who can destroy planets. He's matched and overcome their attacks. Denying this would be idiotic.
Mike what you continue to fail to realize is "this is a anime thread, not manga, anime". Even though the manga is the original, the anime is the title of this forum... not manga.
You can not discredit anything that is posted in a ANIME FORUM this isnt hard to understand Mike. Thats like me going to a comic book forum posting nothing but movies of the characters on that forum. Now again, if you want to debate manga, ask the Mod to create a Manga thread for you so that you can stop discrediting Anime feats on a ANIME thread.
The title of the forum is completely irrelevant. We use the canon version if not specified by the OP. The manga is canon. The anime is not. Get it through your thick head.
Hell, look at any other thread in this forum: No one uses the Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, etc. anime filler scenes for evidence. They use the original manga, which is the canon version. Whining about it won't change a thing. Please show where it says in the rules that the anime versions are to be used by default.
It's funny that your argument is so pathetic you have to rely on semantics whoring to try to use non-canon bullshit.
Mike, put the scan up of Superman and the mag feat so that we can look at it... I want to see that solar system moving strength that the humans in that scan have. Would you like for me to post it for you mike? I guess you missed the part where the humans was pulling also?
Did you even read what I said? Any contribution the humans were making was negligible, unless you think that normal humans in DC have planet moving strength. J'onn specifically stated they were using Superman's strength, he didn't mention anyone else.
Do you know what the word "negligible" means?
LOL... Goku cant hurt Superman? I can prove this but if you want to debate this... PM me.I agree... Goku cant survive in space.
Do you want to know what I have on my side to help me out?
Even though its non-canon, I can post Goku STOMPING Superman and it was shown to the World. You all dont have this luxury... and the thing about this noncanon fight that was shown to the world is that Goku beat Superman with one punch.
Wait, what? Are you actually relying on fanart and fanfics now?
I guess I can post these then:
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What does Doomsday and Darkseid have to do with this? They are not Galactus. Doomsday is a brick like Hulk that can adapt. Yes, I think Goku could beat Doomsday. Darkseid? Current Darkseid feats aint sh** compared to his pre-crisis days.
Doomsday would become immune to ki the first time Goku used it on him, and his physical attacks wouldn't do shit (he would break his hand). Doomsday would win.
As for Darkseid that proves you have no idea what you're talking about, as current Darkseid is dead, and the last time we saw him before he died he was a non-corporeal spirit that was devouring the entire multiverse.
Cheetah has beaten Superman, Grundy has beaten Superman, Kilowag one shotted Supes, the General has defeated Supes, Shaggy man has defeated Supes, Despero physically took out Supes, Shadow Dragon has defeated Supes, the list goes on and these people are far less powerful than Goku and wouldnt even land a lick on Goku.
Stop downplaying with low showings. And yes, a lot of those people would hand Goku his ass. I'm especially curious to know how you think Goku could possibly beat Despero, since he could reduce him to a drooling vegetable with a thought.
You think Goku beating Superman in one punch is bullshit but Goku and Frieza punching power feats are MUCH more impressive than Supes.
Goku kicked Frieza through two small islands. That's his most impressive strength feat.
Superman has moved the moon, the earth, things larger than the earth and moon combined, punched Wonder Woman at FTL speed from the sun to the earth, lifted the Spectre (who is heavier than a planet), hurled spaceships the size of cities into space, I can go on. Superman could reduce Goku to bloody paste with a flick of his little finger.
And Goku being unable to hurt Superman is bullcrap since again, shadow dragon, a f***** peak human has hurt him
Context, please.
Doctor poloris has knocked him out with a submarine to the head,
Doctor Polaris, the same guy who controlled the entire magnetic fields of the earth?
Despero scratched him across the face,
Despero, an alien more powerful than any DBZ character, can physically hurt him. Wow, that's such a good argument. Goku gets knocked around by people without any real strength feats all the time (Uub, anyone)?
Shadow dragon, a almost peak human whipped that a** and made Superman give up... Cheetah has hurt him. Some of you all need to read a little more on your Supes comics.
You need to stop downplaying, using only low - end feats, and taking shit out of context.
Going by showings Goku combat wise is faster than Supes. 95% of the things that has hit/tagged Supes would NEVER touch Goku.
Why? Because you say so? He doesn't always use his maximum speed all the time, but when he does, his feats put him faster than Goku could ever dream of.
By the way Goku was hit into lava by frieza and flew out just fine,
Never happened in the manga.
hell, he was close to the sun and didnt suffer any damage.
Nope. Never happened. If you're referring to that filler episode on the way to Namek, that's not only non-canon, but he wasn't anywhere close enough to the star that it would actually cause him damage (remember, his space suit and his ship weren't taking any damage either), he had just been captured by its gravity and would eventually be pulled it. I can stand outside in the sunlight and I would probably be taking more solar energy than he was, as the gravity of a star extends very far past the solar system.
By the way, Grundy almost drowned Superman if you want to go that far.
Considering Superman can survive without oxygen for weeks at least, you're just bringing up PIS.
Like I said, going by showings that has been provided to comic fans, Superman got stomped.I think you are more but than me since I have something to back me up; something to help my claim.
When you have to rely on FANFICTION to support your arguments, you know you're full of shit.
Goku would stomp them. Doomsday isnt touching Goku and he isnt even close to the power that Goku have in his possession.
Doomsday is faster than Goku merely due to the fact that he can tag people who are far faster than Goku has ever demonstrated himself to be.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
When you have to rely on FANFICTION to support your arguments, you know you're full of shit.
I'm done with this arguement but I would just like to comment on the Wizard Comics scenarios. Turns out that the whole Supes vs Goku thing that they did had to be redone by a fan vote: Because the one that they did was complete and utter bullshit. After being redone, it was shown that over 80% of the votes were for Superman winning.
Any high tier person from either anime/manga or American comics would kill Goku almost instantly. He just comes off as superior because he one of the most popular Shonen protagonists.
That's all I have to say: if anyone wonder why it took me so long to make a reply, it because I was a bit taken back by how much fanboyism was in that post ways back.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'm done with this arguement but I would just like to comment on the Wizard Comics scenarios. Turns out that the whole Supes vs Goku thing that they did had to be redone by a fan vote: Because the one that they did was complete and utter bullshit. After being redone, it was shown that over 80% of the votes were for Superman winning
Send me a link or scan about this. I'd like to see it by myself.
I search and search for any evidence of that re-pole of Goku vs Superman, however to no avail. Maybe I really was wrong about what I said before and for that I apologize.
However if you want to read the actual article and decide for yourself what's true or not, here it is:http://lounge.moviecodec.com/on-topic/were-can-i-read-the-wizard-magazine-goku-vs-superman-strip-68363/
Scroll down a bit until you get the text of the Wizard article. Sorry about this but it was all I could find.
