Goku vs. anyone

Originally posted by carver9
So basically you are saying that you have credibility? I can show where numerous of posters state otherwise, especially with you always debating without providing a single scan to back your so called claims.

Goku would stomp any herald IMO along with numerous of writers opinions.

Yeah....no!

Mid or High Herald would more than likely kick the crap out of Goku. Plus lets tone down Goku a bit by providing some fun fact about him: 1) Despite Vegeta's claims about his power level, Goku has never been depicted winning a fight against him. 2) The only major canon antagonist Goku beat w/o help was Frieza. 3) Goku might move at hyper-speed but against the likes of Silver Surfer, Hao, or even the Flash, IT is going to be his best friend.

Sorry for getting back into this debate but c'mon Goku outclassing high herald is a no.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Yeah....no!

Mid or High Herald would more than likely kick the crap out of Goku. Plus lets tone down Goku a bit by providing some fun fact about him: 1) Despite Vegeta's claims about his power level, Goku has never been depicted winning a fight against him. 2) The only major canon antagonist Goku beat w/o help was Frieza. 3) Goku might move at hyper-speed but against the likes of Silver Surfer, Hao, or even the Flash, IT is going to be his best friend.

Sorry for getting back into this debate but c'mon Goku outclassing high herald is a no.

And I can see a simple blast from goku stopping a lot of mid to high heralds.

I agree, if surfer fight to his full potential which would include energy drain, he probably could beat goku but I honestly see goku all over the surfer as soon as the bell ring.

I admit... flash is faster than goku, even with instant transmission BUT CIS is flash best friend which would result to goku blitzing him and ending it with a blast.

Goku can potentially hurt or cripple some mid, high heralds. I think that's more of less consensus.

Originally posted by Bentley
Goku can potentially hurt or cripple some mid, high heralds. I think that's more of less consensus.

Naah, I see it much easier than the way you are seeing it.

Originally posted by carver9
So basically you are saying that you have credibility? I can show where numerous of posters state otherwise, especially with you always debating without providing a single scan to back your so called claims.

Goku would stomp any herald IMO along with numerous of writers opinions.

Originally posted by iceman24567
No you can't but i can actually show half a dozen active posters saying you are full of bull all from this month including mods 😐. Show me one post where my creditability is lacking. Debating doesn't mean you HAVE to provide scans by the way you are one of the many posters that do provide scans but they aren't worth a dime in the actual debate usually they are irrelevant 👆. Goku probably would beat most mid level heralds but the high end types would push his shit in

A lot of people talk about your debating style and yes, people would prefer scans so that we know what you are saying is legit.

You haven't even proven that superman can beat black hair goku so how is some mid heralds even going to pose a threat against someone that laughs at the thought of fighting galaxy busters. Someone that can wave his hand and destroy mountains with nothing but brute strength. Someone that moves so fast that he can punch you and be behind you instantly with another punch or someone that turned a 5 minute fight into a 6 to 7 manga story or how about vegeta saying "a one minute fight is like an eternity in a fight like this". Or goku being in the heart of an atomic bomb blast and outrunning it. That feat alone puts him over 3000 mps, hell... possibly faster and he did this while being stunned.

Or someone that is so durable that he took 2 nukes in one fight, a blast that split the planet into 1/3, punches that was creating shockwaves across namek and the list goes on and again, all of this happened in one fight.

Let's not even bring up gokus output of power.

Originally posted by carver9
A lot of people talk about your debating style and yes, people would prefer scans so that we know what you are saying is legit.

You haven't even proven that superman can beat black hair goku so how is some mid heralds even going to pose a threat against someone that laughs at the thought of fighting galaxy busters. Someone that can wave his hand and destroy mountains with nothing but brute strength. Someone that moves so fast that he can punch you and be behind you instantly with another punch or someone that turned a 5 minute fight into a 6 to 7 manga story or how about vegeta saying "a one minute fight is like an eternity in a fight like this". Or goku being in the heart of an atomic bomb blast and outrunning it. That feat alone puts him over 3000 mps, hell... possibly faster and he did this while being stunned.

Or someone that is so durable that he took 2 nukes in one fight, a blast that split the planet into 1/3, punches that was creating shockwaves across namek and the list goes on and again, all of this happened in one fight.

Let's not even bring up gokus output of power.

Originally posted by iceman24567
They talk about my style of debating and? They prefer scans but it's unnecessary in most cases i usually claim things and get backed up by other posters unlike you it's actually the opposite when it comes to you. I have given my opinion on Goku vs Superman and i have stated why i think Superman wins you are the one that has done nothing but use power stacking and hyperbole on top of that you low ball like no other.... I don't want to waste my time on you anymore do as you wish.

Who did I low ball... i m not even the one who brought up superman vs goku... you all did. I'm not discrediting anything thst you all are saying but what I am telling you is that its not enough and it isn't comparable to goku feats.

You have your opinion and I'm not downing you for it because again... its your opinion. I just wanted to know why you thought what you thought.

Ok, how about this?

Goku can't and won't match the energy output of a black hole.

Originally posted by Bentley
Ok, how about this?

Goku can't and won't match the energy output of a black hole.

So when did someone put a black hole by him to accomplish this feat? So when did someone put a mag wheel in front of goku to pull? No high herald can match punching someone through two mountains making the entire area shake or they can't match thr punching power that was creating shockwave across a planet or they can't match tanking numerous of nukes, atomic bombs and being hit through mountains and being hit by a blast that split a planet into 1/3 in one fight. Or how about this... with the wave of their hands they are destroying small mountain but even with this type of force from these punches... they are tanking it.

Originally posted by carver9
So when did someone put a black hole by him to accomplish this feat? So when did someone put a mag wheel in front of goku to pull?

Originally posted by carver9
No high herald can match punching someone through two mountains making the entire area shake or they can't match thr punching power that was creating shockwave across a planet or they can't match tanking numerous of nukes, atomic bombs and being hit through mountains and being hit by a blast that split a planet into 1/3 in one fight. Or how about this... with the wave of their hands they are destroying small mountain but even with this type of force from these punches... they are tanking it.

Originally posted by StyleTime
It doesn't change the fact that those are good feats.

Do you really think a herald level character can't survive being punched through a mountain?

I admit, those are BEAUTIFUL feats but goku will never get the chance to do it because his manga wasn't an ongoing book like superman is. Of course superman will have those feats because again time is on his side but if we look at the first 200 books of post crisis superman and compare it to the 200 books that dragonball only had, goku would one shot him but with the time that superman have on his side (since he have ongoing issues) of course he will always have the opportunity to gain more feats but he will still get stomped by goku.

Hell, going by normal showings of superman, didn't he recently get one shotted by superboy (conner)? Goku would KILL him.

The number of showings to disregard feats is not a valid argument despite your inclination to use it as a debate tool. It is not, you don't replace feats with statements and you don't assume a character could've done something he hasn't because other characters can.

Originally posted by Bentley
The number of showings to disregard feats is not a valid argument despite your inclination to use it as a debate tool. It is not, you don't replace feats with statements and you don't assume a character could've done something he hasn't because other characters can.

That's not what I am saying... what I am telling you is that even though supes held a "contained" black hole he still doesn't have a durability showing that make me believe that he could withstand 10% of what goku went through in one fight, especially current superman. He has been dropped by far less than what frieza could do while holding back.

Even though he is strong, he has never displayed the type of punching power that goku, frieza, vegeta, or any other main dbz character have displayed. Even though he is powerful, he has never displayed the type of output of power that goku has... not even in his wet dream. Even thoug he is fast, his combat speed feats is a pale comparison to what goku has done... even during his childhood.

Originally posted by carver9
I admit, those are BEAUTIFUL feats but goku will never get the chance to do it because his manga wasn't an ongoing book like superman is. Of course superman will have those feats because again time is on his side but if we look at the first 200 books of post crisis superman and compare it to the 200 books that dragonball only had, goku would one shot him but with the time that superman have on his side (since he have ongoing issues) of course he will always have the opportunity to gain more feats but he will still get stomped by goku.

Hell, going by normal showings of superman, didn't he recently get one shotted by superboy (conner)? Goku would KILL him.

Even if we average in his lows with his highs, Superman would not get one shotted by Goku. We have to be reasonable here.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I'm not sure what you're saying here. We should go by the first 200 post crisis issues?

Even if we average in his lows with his highs, Superman would not get one shotted by Goku. We have to be reasonable here.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I'm not sure what you're saying here. We should go by the first 200 post crisis issues?

Even if we average in his lows with his highs, Superman would not get one shotted by Goku. We have to be reasonable here.

Not one shotted but he will get stomped imo. Like I said b4 he has fallen to far worse than what goku can dish out in the span of a second and I'm not even referring to black hair goku.

And he's taken much greater than what Goku can dish out. Go figure.

Plus Goku's spirit bomb is pretty useless

I actually think Monarch can beat Goku.