Originally posted by truejedi
I said you suck because of your tendency to bring up old arguments that are DEAD AND GONE. I hate the way you reference them over and over and over and over and over and over and OVER. It is childish.
Huh? I think you misunderstood. From what you're saying though you might mean two things.
If you mean bumping old threads, then that's not true. This argument was less than a month old and Nai and I were still debating. The reason why Nai hadn't responded for a while was because he doesn't come on often. When (if) he does though, he may want to continue this debate, hence why I bumped this thread.
If you mean bringing up old grudges though;
1. The people that I had the grudges with bring it up more than I do, but strangely you only complain when I do it.
2. WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS THREAD?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
How do I support something intangible? These traits lie within your personality, we can't see them. And any post from the past I may bring relies soley on opinion and personal feeling. My (and so many others here) feel towards you all the things I listed above. You do not. No surprise, really. Most humans don't like to confront their own negative traits. It's easier to deny them, or pass blame to the people who see their faults. Don't worry, that's a very human thing to do--you're not alone, I promise.
Something being intangible does not equate to it not being debatable. If you can explain to me how I am wrong and actually back it up and respond to my rebuttal of your explanation, maybe I'll "change" if I need to.
Well... normally I have you on Ignore and I don't see the vast majority of posts you make. But I was feeling adventurous today. I'll bash and insult you the way I bash and insult John Marston, despite having never met the fictional character and despite he's never the original topic in the conversation where he pops up.
Admit it; you dislike me because of that "what if the Empire invaded modern day Earth" thread, despite me trying to make up to you, even making an entire thread for that. Had that debate not happened, you would still be fine with me.
I have. Oh, how I have. We've done this before; where I actually stop and try to explain to you WHY I (and others) don't like you, and WHAT my (our) problem is with you. But Like Humans Do (thank you Mr. Byrne), you refused to believe what I said.
No, you try, but when I respond to your points you'd ignore it and go like "rofl you're bad".
You: I don't like you because of X.
Me: But that isn't valid because of Y.
You: yadayadayada I don't like you.
*sigh* How do I teach these keeeeds?
First lesson:
white folks cheatDon't take any flame or bash personally, try to see it as a way to learn and advance your understanding of people's expectations/perspectives/sociolinguistics. You have to be open to criticism and attack. Learn from it, don't fight it. Like I hope you're doing now reading this.
I appreciate if you actually are trying to "improve" me (forgive me if I'm skeptical on that, especially since in other threads you admitted that you enjoy flaming me), but I am a guy that listens more to someone calmly explaining than making fun of me for it (and failing to back it up) in almost every thread that he posts in.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallDude, if you want me to physically prove aspects of your personality, then you must be equating me with like Jesus or something.
Something being intangible does not equate to it not being debatable. If you can explain to me how I am wrong and actually back it up and respond to my rebuttal of your explanation, maybe I'll "change" if I need to.
So, thank you, I guess.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallNo, I wouldn't.
Admit it; you dislike me because of that "what if the Empire invaded modern day Earth" thread, despite me trying to make up to you, even making an entire thread for that. Had that debate not happened, you would still be fine with me.
I dislike your personality. I've been beaten in arguments before. I've been wrong many times. When TJ came back he proved me wrong about how I viewed the Vader vs. Kenobi duel in RotS. I didn't hate him for it, I thanked him for it! Because of that I learned something. It prompted a re-evaluation of my belief and because of that, I discerned the existence of four different frames of mind of Anakin crica RotS.
I felt the Empire would win in that thread of yours. Ultimately, I was proven wrong. My paradigm adapted. But over the course of that thread... that... very... long... thread, you revealed aspects of your personality that I found (and still find) distasteful and irksome. I don't care that your side won. I don't care that I'm beaten in an argument. I learn from what was shown me and I move on. I don't hold a grudge against someone who was right when I was wrong.
But I DO hold contempt for people that refuse to learn, and refuse to listen. That refuse to accept that what they believed may not be correct. People that do whatever it takes to hold on to their paradigm, whether it be by trolling, flaming, bashing, passive-aggression, self-victimization, or attempts at rallying support through sympathy and pity. Those people SUCK.
Don't be one of those people.
I read the rest of your post here, but I've said all I can. If you don't understand this or don't want to believe it, fine. But know that I tried to calmly explain to you what it is I (and the others) don't like about you, and what you could do to reverse that sentiment.
Originally posted by ZampanóI played Conquest and felt compelled to express it. Just like when I express myself by coloring outside the lines.
This post is unsettling on many levels.The first is that your avatar changed to a BfMEII thumbnail the day after I reinstalled it.
The last is that you have expressed exactly what I would have said with more patience than I would have.
I'm also a deeply altruistic person when not on my period when I'm feeling very masculine.
Jesus ****ing Christ HWKA, Numan wasn't this bad. But the problem with him was his youth and repeated socking. If I remember correctly, his original account was never permabanned and by now should be off the restricted list. My mind keeps going to another spam/troll but I can't quite remember his name or his socks.
I think his name was Elmturk or something. I saw him during one of my lurking periods before I bothered to rejoin recently. Your like him.
Originally posted by Zampanó
hmm...My policy of reading doubleposts is paying off 😖hifty:
Ooooh, let me try that! I haven’t add anything from the second Earth vs Empire thread though, that would’ve given me too much work.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
The people that I had the grudges with bring it up more than I do, but strangely you only complain when I do it.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Admit it; you dislike me because of that "what if the Empire invaded modern day Earth" thread, despite me trying to make up to you, even making an entire thread for that. Had that debate not happened, you would still be fine with me.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
So one example of me bringing up a past event somehow disproves my argument?BS.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
What is it with you and your bias against me? Ever since that "What if the Empire invaded modern day Earth" thread you've been hating on me, despite me apologizing to you (even though, while I might have made some mistakes in that thread, you made far, far more) in both PMs and an entire thread devoted to that.
From the closed Roman thread:
My other thread that you accuse of being a spite thread is the "What if the Empire invaded modern day Earth?" one. If so, explain to me why the majority supported the Empire and mocked me for supporting Earth.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Yeah, because he's dense and will say that everything I say is BS, which is a BS statement into itself.He's also a hypocrite; he ridiculed me for using a "hypothetical situation" when his first post in that "What if the Empire invaded Modern Day Earth" was a hypothetical scenario he created (and poorly, since he failed to back up how the Empire splits up its forces across the ocean without using transports).
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You claim that I never admit defeat, but you're so arrogant that you claim that you NEVER lose, which basically the same thing (both never admit that they've lost)impartial? "What if the empire invaded modern day earth" were you impartial? No. And even if so, then that means that the only way you don't lose is that you never strongly debate anyway, and you can't lose if you don't "compete".
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Since when would an invasion of their homeworld somehow unite them? You and Team Empire claimed that Earth would not unite when the Empire invaded.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You didn't respond to a lot of my later arguments in Empire vs Earth, either, which were:1) much longer, more thought out and more important (and if you don't think so then PROVE IT), because it was in a heated debate where you were also accusing me of something, and yet never respond to my logical justifications.
2) It was BEFORE you posted that argument
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
And my Empire vs Earth one 🙂
This one was NOT in the Earth vs Empire thread:
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
How about this: feel free to put me on ignore, but please you, Lucien, Nai or Red Nemesis respond to each of the arguments numbered below. Just please.In the Empire vs Earth thread, you said that it was a spite, and that therefore I lose. This is just BS. Here is the LOGIC behind it:
1. If it was a spite, then why did you say that the Empire wins when they obviously would lose?
2. If you didn't realize that it was a spite, then doesn't that mean that you lose? You argued for the wrong side, your side lost, mine won. Therefore, I won the debate.
3. Claiming that it was lopsided and unfair that I argued for the unfairly favored team while you argued for the losing team, answer this: isn't it your fault that you didn't realize that it was a spite and that you argued for the wrong side? You didn't HAVE to argue for the Empire, you couldn't correctly stated that Earth wins.
4. Why did you blame me for not including air support when I gave them 100 tie fighters (not in the OP, but later)?
5. Why did you blame me for not giving them supplies when
a) I gave them quite a bit of supplies
b) Red Nemesis claimed that they didn't need supplies due to "hypermatter".6. Why did you blame me for not giving them intel when I gave them just as much intel about Earth as Earth gets?
7. Why did you blame me for putting them too far from America when I put them right next to America (in Mexico)?
8. Why did you blame me for not letting the thread die when just a few pages in I said that we should let it die and everyone ignored me?
Now please respond to each of these numbered PERFECTLY LOGICAL arguments. Prove to me how much of an idiot I am, and then I'll admit it.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
PROVE IT (that I'm retarded). Respond to my posts.And Lucien, what's your problem? I purposely backed away from the Empire vs Earth thread, heck I even made a thread apologizing for it! And then I tried to stop that for a while. And now after all that you're acting like a BULLY and making unreasonable accusations! Just look at yourself. I don't know how old you are, but just try to understand other people and stop being so mean and immature.
There's still good in you, I know it. You can still turn back to the light side! Reject the dark side, even if it's tempting.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I was supporting TJ's assertion that some people here are very stubborn, as in that they realize that they're wrong but never admit it. Instead, they either keep on arguing or cover it up ("you made a spite thread!" Which may be true, but then why did you argue for the Empire?).Oh, and Earth DOES win that war. Easily.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
That's something (not saying that I agree that DS does it, I need to look into his posts more) that I've heard alot of people do here. Not to bring up bad memories, but when I was debating the Empire vs Earth thread w/Lucien, Nai and a few others, we debated and debated until they eventually realized that Earth would win...easily. But instead of admitting defeat, they were like "oh you are bad you made a spite thread!"...if it was a spite against Earth then why did you argue for the Empire and yell at me for supporting Earth?
"oh well we didn't realize that Earth won until later!"
...which means that you lost the argument, because you argued for the Empire and I argued for Earth, and my side won. If it was an unfair matchup, then you should've said so, but you failed to notice. I did, which means that I won, because I picked the right side.
*quotes my argument* "...that's just pathetic!"
"How?"
"um...ur....you know what? I've given up arguing with you because you're so stupid!"
Not to be a rant or anything, but what I said above is an example of extreme stubbornness.
And this is all in the simpelst of searches. I know Red, they’re not double posts.
Originally posted by Lord LucienI felt the Empire would win in that thread of yours. Ultimately, I was proven wrong. My paradigm adapted.
Wow! You finally actually admitted it! You didn't actually directly do so in that thread. Instead of admitting "ok, I made a mistake, you're right", you tried to redirect the blame on me by accusing me of making a spite thread.
THAT'S what angers me. Maybe I did make a spite thread (which I admitted), but you're as much to blame for not noticing it and arguing for the wrong side as I was for making it.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallAnd this is where Mr.Pretentious won me over. The Roman thread was an obvious spite, most who participated in it should have known it.
but you're as much to blame for not noticing it and arguing for the wrong side as I was for making it.
You, Lucien, seemed to have just wanted to cover you ass. and thus Mr.Pretentious here gets to act even more smug.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Wow! You finally actually admitted it! You didn't actually directly do so in that thread. Instead of admitting "ok, I made a mistake, you're right", you tried to redirect the blame on me by accusing me of making a spite thread.THAT'S what angers me. Maybe I did make a spite thread (which I admitted), but you're as much to blame for not noticing it and arguing for the wrong side as I was for making it.
Oh my fvcking god... That is what you got from all of his posts trying to explain why most members don't like you? Nobody here doesn't like you because you made a spite thread, it's because of the reasons that he already gave and because you're so thick-headed in trying to prove stuff no one cares about. I don't know where he even gets the patience to deal with you. It's like teaching a dog how to talk.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Oh my fvcking god... That is what you got from all of his posts trying to explain why most members don't like you? Nobody here doesn't like you because you made a spite thread, it's because of the reasons that he already gave and because you're so thick-headed in trying to prove stuff no one cares about. I don't know where he even gets the patience to deal with you. It's like teaching a dog how to talk.
Except that you fail to back up any of your claims of me being "thickheaded"; give me a list of things you dislike me for and I'm fairly certain that you or another member of this forum has the same problem.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Except that you fail to back up any of your claims of me being "thickheaded"; give me a list of things you dislike me for and I'm fairly certain that you or another member of this forum has the same problem.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You're hypocritical (and thus human), you talk out of your ass, you don't know when enough is enough, you can't follow a grudge with humor, you're annoyingly tenacious in such pursuits, you're thick-headed, you misinterpret too much, you play the victim, you don't know how to shrug and move on, and you last but not leas, you won't go away.
In this thread you have already given a lot of examples of being thick-headed. You can't let go of that one thread you made. You always want to be proven right, you can't accept it if someone proves you wrong. You bumping this thread is a clear sign of you being stubborn, why didn't you send him a PM, if someone chooses not to continue an argument with you, you can't force them to?
Also, you always pick what to respond to, instead of responding to someone's entire post (like you just did with TG's post). In the closed thread I was testing whether you would respond to something I know you couldn't. I asked you in six different posts and every time you didn't answer it.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
In this thread you have already given a lot of examples of being thick-headed. You can't let go of that one thread you made. You always want to be proven right, you can't accept it if someone proves you wrong. You bumping this thread is a clear sign of you being stubborn, why didn't you send him a PM, if someone chooses not to continue an argument with you, you can't force them to?Also, you always pick what to respond to, instead of responding to someone's entire post (like you just did with TG's post). In the closed thread I was testing whether you would respond to something I know you couldn't. I asked you in six different posts and every time you didn't answer it.
Give me a list of supposed "problems" you have with me and I'll explain each of them.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallHere's another one. You think you can "explain" those problems away. Like as if every thing that everyone considers a flaw with your personality can be logically re-focused so as that the problem doesn't exist. As if you were a perfect person without flaw.
Give me a list of supposed "problems" you have with me and I'll explain each of them.
I tried to reason with him, I really did. But he's not going to see through his delusion that he can do no wrong. Back on Ignore he goes.