Re: Mosque at Ground Zero
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
The elected officials of New York city are planning on building a Mosque close to where the twin towers fell on 9/11 as a commemoration of the lives lost that day and to please the Muslim population. Personally I find this insulting and quite ridiculous. What do you guys think?Here is a link for a petition in opposition of the Mosque.
I don't like that either.Hopfully they will not do it.As for repairin where 911 happen I don't argee with that either.
Originally posted by inimalist
no, I [b]really, as in like super serious, believe that Europe is undergoing "Islamization", or that if it were, that would be related in any way to whether Muslims in America should be allowed to build a mosque [/B]
Building a Mosque isn't an issue. I don't object to them building a Mosque, they can build one if they wish, but why at Ground Zero of all the possible places in New York, not to mention the rest of America.
EDIT- What I fear is that American politics and politicians will become much like the United Nations, in that it will do whatever the hell the Muslim community wants just to please them.
should every business or institution that opens within a certain distance from ground zero be required to explain why they want to be so close to the site?
Like, if I wanted to open a pizza place a block away, would you question my motives in this same way? would i need to justify, to you [sic], why I want that location?
Originally posted by inimalist
should every business or institution that opens within a certain distance from ground zero be required to explain why they want to be so close to the site?Like, if I wanted to open a pizza place a block away, would you question my motives in this same way? would i need to justify, to you [sic], why I want that location?
A pizza place can't compare to a religious Mosque..a place where people can practice and worship a violent religion which inspired jihad terrorists to commit the atrocities they did.
Not to mention that nothing HAS been constructed or even planed on being constructed near the burial site to my knowledge.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Same can be said for dozens of Christian and Jews. Yet their families aren't proposing to place a religious monument near ground zero.
A mosque isn't a "religious monument" it's a place of worship. There are already temples and churches very close to ground zero that have become Meccas (ha!) for the religious family members of those who died.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A mosque isn't a "religious monument" it's a place of worship. There are already temples and churches very close to ground zero that have become Meccas (ha!) for the religious family members of those who died.
It's more than a place of worship it will also have a art center, swimming pool, and gym.
Yeah churches and temples that were there "before" the destruction of the twin towers.
"proof?"
Certainly.
Google "Faisal Abdul Ralf", "Yasir Qadhi", and CAIR.
And the problem with the increased Muslim immigration into the West (or at least a considerable portion of it) is that increasingly the new immigrants refuse to assimilate or even integrate into the societies they have nominally moved into, to the point where you literally have these large sections of a given city that are literally no-go areas (take a look at the decision of the Swedish government to effectively cut all emergency aid- fire department and increasingly police- to Malmo) which are effectively ruled by the worst kind of Sharia law. Believe me, I know. I was working in Southern Germany for a time and a lot of my duties involved going into this enclave effectively run by Turkish extremists. I still have a small scar on my left hand from one of my encounters with a few of them. These goons literally believe they are waging holy war in the enemy's home territory by outbreeding them, and they are NOT nice to deal with.
Naturally, this should not be taken as though every Muslim immigrant is a knife-happy Jihadist- I would know-, but unfortunately they make up a considerable portion of the populace, and they unfortunately tend to have power in their given communities.
And to those of you fools who drag your feet in responding to the problem in the name of "tolerance" or whatever, you are doing nothing but hurting your cause. Kindness to the Guilty is but sadism to the Innocent, and asides from the bloodshed that has followed the Islamists wherever they have set up, very, VERY unsavory groups have been moving into the gap the so-called "Mainstream" has neglected. I have SEEN these scumbags firsthand, and while it is fashionable amongst my fellow Conservatives to poh-poh "Islamophobia" as nonexistant, I myself can confirm it is very much alive albiet often misused by the various apologists and talking heads. So the rightful and sane governments must make a choice between cracking down and destroying the Islamist networks or opening a power vacuum into which the extremists will step in, the result of which will be nightmarish to the extreme and will (though these idiots will never admit that it will happen) disenfranchise the mainstream and even Liberal Muslims and push them away from the West out of simple self-preservation.
In short: the Jihad does not merely threaten the lives of "Infidels", and failure to act will likely brew a counterreaction from the extremists that will make the plight of the Japanese and those of Japanese descent abroad look like a nice day on the beach.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't understand. Is this private people that own private land that want to build on it a mosque? Or is there some government entanglement?
It's the latter. The officials of New York believe the building of this Mosque will improve relations between the West and Muslims.
Originally posted by Tortoise Herder
"proof?"Certainly.
Google "Faisal Abdul Ralf", "Yasir Qadhi", and CAIR.
And the problem with the increased Muslim immigration into the West (or at least a considerable portion of it) is that increasingly the new immigrants refuse to assimilate or even integrate into the societies they have nominally moved into, to the point where you literally have these large sections of a given city that are literally no-go areas (take a look at the decision of the Swedish government to effectively cut all emergency aid- fire department and increasingly police- to Malmo) which are effectively ruled by the worst kind of Sharia law. Believe me, I know. I was working in Southern Germany for a time and a lot of my duties involved going into this enclave effectively run by Turkish extremists. I still have a small scar on my left hand from one of my encounters with a few of them. These goons literally believe they are waging holy war in the enemy's home territory by outbreeding them, and they are NOT nice to deal with.
Naturally, this should not be taken as though every Muslim immigrant is a knife-happy Jihadist- I would know-, but unfortunately they make up a considerable portion of the populace, and they unfortunately tend to have power in their given communities.
And to those of you fools who drag your feet in responding to the problem in the name of "tolerance" or whatever, you are doing nothing but hurting your cause. Kindness to the Guilty is but sadism to the Innocent, and asides from the bloodshed that has followed the Islamists wherever they have set up, very, VERY unsavory groups have been moving into the gap the so-called "Mainstream" has neglected. I have SEEN these scumbags firsthand, and while it is fashionable amongst my fellow Conservatives to poh-poh "Islamophobia" as nonexistant, I myself can confirm it is very much alive albiet often misused by the various apologists and talking heads. So the rightful and sane governments must make a choice between cracking down and destroying the Islamist networks or opening a power vacuum into which the extremists will step in, the result of which will be nightmarish to the extreme and will (though these idiots will never admit that it will happen) disenfranchise the mainstream and even Liberal Muslims and push them away from the West out of simple self-preservation.
In short: the Jihad does not merely threaten the lives of "Infidels", and failure to act will likely brew a counterreaction from the extremists that will make the plight of the Japanese and those of Japanese descent abroad look like a nice day on the beach.
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