Originally posted by Tortoise Herder
"proof?"Certainly.
Google "Faisal Abdul Ralf", "Yasir Qadhi", and CAIR.
And the problem with the increased Muslim immigration into the West (or at least a considerable portion of it) is that increasingly the new immigrants refuse to assimilate or even integrate into the societies they have nominally moved into, to the point where you literally have these large sections of a given city that are literally no-go areas (take a look at the decision of the Swedish government to effectively cut all emergency aid- fire department and increasingly police- to Malmo) which are effectively ruled by the worst kind of Sharia law. Believe me, I know. I was working in Southern Germany for a time and a lot of my duties involved going into this enclave effectively run by Turkish extremists. I still have a small scar on my left hand from one of my encounters with a few of them. These goons literally believe they are waging holy war in the enemy's home territory by outbreeding them, and they are NOT nice to deal with.
Naturally, this should not be taken as though every Muslim immigrant is a knife-happy Jihadist- I would know-, but unfortunately they make up a considerable portion of the populace, and they unfortunately tend to have power in their given communities.
And to those of you fools who drag your feet in responding to the problem in the name of "tolerance" or whatever, you are doing nothing but hurting your cause. Kindness to the Guilty is but sadism to the Innocent, and asides from the bloodshed that has followed the Islamists wherever they have set up, very, VERY unsavory groups have been moving into the gap the so-called "Mainstream" has neglected. I have SEEN these scumbags firsthand, and while it is fashionable amongst my fellow Conservatives to poh-poh "Islamophobia" as nonexistant, I myself can confirm it is very much alive albiet often misused by the various apologists and talking heads. So the rightful and sane governments must make a choice between cracking down and destroying the Islamist networks or opening a power vacuum into which the extremists will step in, the result of which will be nightmarish to the extreme and will (though these idiots will never admit that it will happen) disenfranchise the mainstream and even Liberal Muslims and push them away from the West out of simple self-preservation.
In short: the Jihad does not merely threaten the lives of "Infidels", and failure to act will likely brew a counterreaction from the extremists that will make the plight of the Japanese and those of Japanese descent abroad look like a nice day on the beach.
ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Pipes
Inimalist: And what is THAT supposed to prove, guv'ner?
For the record, I only rarely examine Pipes' work, but even so, even a broken clock can be right once a day, and while Pipes is often wrong, he is far more reliable than a broken clock.
So may I ask why you feel as though exclaiming that does absolutely anything in this debate?
Originally posted by Tortoise Herder
And to those of you fools who drag your feet in responding to the problem in the name of "tolerance" or whatever, you are doing nothing but hurting your cause.
Indeed. Remember when we stopped being dicks to the Irish and they took over the government and instituted a policy of forced bachannals that killed millions? Or when women got to be treated like people and immedaitely castrated all the men in America? Oh, or when black people got the vote and used it to sweep across the country raping or killing every white person they met?
What's that you say Mr. Historical Precedent? None of that happened? Golly.
Oh and you go on to say that stopping crazy people for being crazy by attacking everyone tangientally related to them is incredibly stupid! Well you've certainly given me a lot of think about.
Originally posted by Tortoise Herder
Kindness to the Guilty is but sadism to the Innocent,
I'm pretty sure that cutting out the middle man and direct persecuting the innocent also counts.
Symmetric Chaos:
Did you even effing READ my godd@mmed post, knave?
My entire point is that by failing to actually kill of the Muslims who enjoy holy war and chopping heads, we are only hurting the INNOCENT MAJORITY of the Muslims to say nothing of the others who will die if the Islamists succeed (ironically with the help of the anti-Muslim extremists who have been stepping into the breach BECAUSE FOOLS LIKE YOURSELF CANNOT BRING THEMSELVES TO STAMP OUT THE RADICALS!).
Is this your strategy all the time: accuse absolutely ANYBODY raising the point of being a rascist genocidal tyrant? Particularly when I have CONTINUOUSLY REPEATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN ON THIS VERY THREAD that I myself do not HAVE a problem with Muslims building a Mosque at Ground Zero (only the fact that those who ARE doing so have ties to the Islamist radicals).
It is times like this that I wish dueling were still legal.
If you cannot bother reading through one's opponet's posts, shut the frell up and get off the forum.
Originally posted by Tortoise Herder
Ushgarak: And may I ask what you intend to do about SC for his outright slander and comparing me to somebody who favors racial tyranny in spite of my CLEAR statements to the contrary?
I think you should look again at how you present yourself, because despite your protests that is how you look.
Regardless, your angry attack there was not justified. Dial it down.
"I think you should look again at how you present yourself, because despite your protests that is how you look."
Oh REALLY?
And what about this:
"Naturally, this should not be taken as though every Muslim immigrant is a knife-happy Jihadist- "
And this:
"my fellow Conservatives to poh-poh "Islamophobia" as nonexistant, I myself can confirm it is very much alive albiet often misused by the various apologists and talking heads."
And this:
"In short: the Jihad does not merely threaten the lives of "Infidels", and failure to act will likely brew a counterreaction from the extremists that will make the plight of the Japanese and those of Japanese descent abroad look like a nice day on the beach"
How much more do I have to emphasize that I do NOT like the blackshirt battalion and their lovely plans of racial purging? Do I have to write it in ALL CAPS to make it clear?
That should be plain to those who have actually read my posts, and failure to grasp that is the fault of those who have not read them, not my own.
"Regardless, your angry attack there was not justified."
And what was Symmetric Chaos' post, eh? Again, what do you intend to do about that?
"Dial it down."
I intend to. But I desire to have this slander addressed.
Originally posted by Admiral AkbarWhat do you THINK you know about Islam, because it is by no means a violent religion. It was only twisted by the jihadists, like Christianity was during the Crusades, to appear to support violence, but, in essence, it supports peace and harmony just as much as the other modern world religions. Also, I'm getting sick of you referring to Muslims as they, or them, as though they are a single unit. There are many different philosophies of Islam, just as there are for Christianity.
A pizza place can't compare to a religious Mosque..a place where people can practice and worship a violent religion which inspired jihad terrorists to commit the atrocities they did.Not to mention that nothing HAS been constructed or even planed on being constructed near the burial site to my knowledge.
"What do you THINK you know about Islam, because it is by no means a violent religion. It was only twisted, like Christianity was during the Crusades, to appear to support violence."
True. But unfortunately that does mean by definition that there are more than a few flies in the ointment, including some of the sponsers to this mosque. What would we do if a bunch of Christian theocrats began hacking heads off and planning to impose religious despotism over all? We should do unto them the same thing we should do to the Jihadists.
Originally posted by Tortoise HerderSure there are violent muslim organizations, just as there are violent christian organizations, but you can not justifiably call islam a violent religion, just as you can not call Christianity a violent religion. To do so is ignorant and irrational. That was all I was saying. I wanted to correct the hateful tone that Akbar was spewing. About the main topic: I am ambiguous about a Mosque being built so near Ground Zero. I understand both sides of the arguement, and have chosen to let others figure it out instead of supporting a side personally.
"What do you THINK you know about Islam, because it is by no means a violent religion. It was only twisted, like Christianity was during the Crusades, to appear to support violence."True. But unfortunately that does mean by definition that there are more than a few flies in the ointment, including some of the sponsers to this mosque. What would we do if a bunch of Christian theocrats began hacking heads off and planning to impose religious despotism over all? We should do unto them the same thing we should do to the Jihadists.
Originally posted by Tortoise Herder
"I think you should look again at how you present yourself, because despite your protests that is how you look."Oh REALLY?
And what about this:
"Naturally, this should not be taken as though every Muslim immigrant is a knife-happy Jihadist- "
And this:
"my fellow Conservatives to poh-poh "Islamophobia" as nonexistant, I myself can confirm it is very much alive albiet often misused by the various apologists and talking heads."
And this:
"In short: the Jihad does not merely threaten the lives of "Infidels", and failure to act will likely brew a counterreaction from the extremists that will make the plight of the Japanese and those of Japanese descent abroad look like a nice day on the beach"
How much more do I have to emphasize that I do NOT like the blackshirt battalion and their lovely plans of racial purging? Do I have to write it in ALL CAPS to make it clear?
That should be plain to those who have actually read my posts, and failure to grasp that is the fault of those who have not read them, not my own.
"Regardless, your angry attack there was not justified."
And what was Symmetric Chaos' post, eh? Again, what do you intend to do about that?
"Dial it down."
I intend to. But I desire to have this slander addressed.
All I can do is repeat exactly what I said- ironically, you didn't read me properly. DESPITE your words, you are still coming across as how SC mocked you. That's your fault. Again- change your attitude.
That's my decision on the matter, and it is final. Take it to PM rather than arguing the point in here.