Originally posted by lord xyz
Pat Condell obviously doesn't like the idea.
And with Pat...why is a religion getting first dibs on what to build near the towers? Are we not a Nation free from religion? Oh course, the moron in the presidency thinks otherwise:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100814/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_ground_zero_mosque_obama
If you're an atheist and voted for this guy....you're an idiot..but it's okay...drink the kool aid and sleep happy or go listen to Will i am YES WE CAN and just think November 2008...the rest of the nation will just move forward with November 2010.
Originally posted by WanderingDroid
And with Pat...why is a religion getting first dibs on what to build near the towers?
Do you have your facts straight? Has there nothing been build near the World Trade Center site since the attacks? What radius around it?
Originally posted by WanderingDroid
Are we not a Nation free from religion? Oh course, the moron in the presidency thinks otherwise:
You are not a nation free from Religion. You are a nation free to pursue Religion.
Originally posted by WanderingDroid
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100814/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_ground_zero_mosque_obamaIf you're an atheist and voted for this guy....you're an idiot..but it's okay...drink the kool aid and sleep happy or go listen to Will i am YES WE CAN and just think November 2008...the rest of the nation will just move forward with November 2010.
Most atheists don't solely define themselves over their lack of belief in God. Obama has a multitude of stances, many very much contrary to all reasonable contenders in the last election, and if you happen to agree with many of them, perhaps ones that you deem more important than any Religious issue, not voting for him would have been foolish.
Originally posted by WanderingDroid
And with Pat...why is a religion getting first dibs on what to build near the towers? Are we not a Nation free from religion? Oh course, the moron in the presidency thinks otherwise:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100814/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_ground_zero_mosque_obama
If you're an atheist and voted for this guy....you're an idiot..but it's okay...drink the kool aid and sleep happy or go listen to Will i am YES WE CAN and just think November 2008...the rest of the nation will just move forward with November 2010.
Oh, additionally
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
It's the latter. The officials of New York believe the building of this Mosque will improve relations between the West and Muslims.
I read up on this now, and it is not true. This is really a totally private matter. A real estate agency bought it from the former owner and now wants to develop it. I see nothing wrong with that at all, there's not even any government favoritism involved.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm an atheist and i'm in 100% agreement on this with Obama... It is a very positive symbol to show our commitment to religious freedom in this country. If we want to spite terrorists, what better way than celebrate the things they are opposed to?
I agree. I am oftentimes impressed by Obama's obvious clarity of reasoning. I may not agree with all he says, but he appears to be an intelligent, honest guy standing up for what he believes, and believing things for good reasons.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm an atheist and i'm in 100% agreement on this with Obama... It is a very positive symbol to show our commitment to religious freedom in this country. If we want to spite terrorists, what better way than celebrate the things they are opposed to?
The terrorists will not understand the point you are making. It is an unfortunate cultural gulf that they will not cross.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Having a mosque a few blocks from ground zero sends a positive message to the US. It isn't supposed to have any kind of role that will discourage terrorism. That isn't the point of it.
What positive message would it bring. 911 is a charged topic. Most people, like myself, will not care one way or the other, but there is no positive message. All I see is a childish attempts by some, on both sides, to make points. The only positive thing I can see is that the war mongers, on both sides, are at least not killing people this time.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Freedom of religion is not a positive message to you?
🤨 Ay guey, gimmie a break, man....
Nobody is denying that Muslims have the right to practice their religion. The First Amendment gives everyone that right--that's not the issue. It's an ought to question. Even though its technically legal to build a mosque at Ground Zero, is it morally right? Any sane person would see that its not. The only real "message" it would send is that America is waiving a whiteflag to Islamism. The guys doing this might as well piss on the graves of the 3,000 victims.
Its even called Cordoba House, after the Cordoba mosque in Spain which symbolized the Muslim conquest of that country. So the message is that they've conquered Manhattan.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Like for instance if people were not allowed to build mosques near ground zero?
Who is succeeding in stopping that? There are a lot of places in the US were a church or mosque or other religious building would not be appropriate because of local zoning laws or general beliefs of the community. Not allowing a religious building to be built is not an indication of anything. This is a local NY city issue, and should stay that way.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
🤨 Ay guey, gimmie a break, man....Nobody is denying that Muslims have the right to practice their religion. The First Amendment gives everyone that right--that's not the issue. It's an ought to question. Even though its technically legal to build a mosque at Ground Zero, is it morally right? Any sane person would see that its not. The only real "message" it would send is that America is waiving a whiteflag to Islamism. The guys doing this might as well piss on the graves of the 3,000 victims.
Its even called Cordoba House, after the Cordoba mosque in Spain which symbolized the Muslim conquest of that country. So the message is that they've conquered Manhattan.
If all the people in the US said we don't care, then it would not be a "message (is) that they've conquered Manhattan". If we just laugh at them, then what can they do?